We want to bring in efficacy changes, wholesale, after Charlie.

That is how it has to be. Unless there is some immediate cover around you that you can hide behind, get a charge, and come out swinging, its pretty much sprinting at them and hoping for the best.

It is fun the few times it actually works in your favor though.

In fact, if backpedal speed were slowed down, I'd even be okay with losing the Minmatar Scout bonus to knife damage.

Whoa.

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Lets not get hasty.

In fact, if backpedal speed were slowed down, I'd even be okay with losing the Minmatar Scout bonus to knife damage.

That's the only problem I had with your take.

I don't think you realize how much that bonus makes the difference. Try using only Zns amongst proto enemies. You'll see what I mean.

Oh, I know - I didn't immediately get IshNoks, I ran around wiht ZN's for a good month if I didn't have cash for Aurum laying around. They're worlds apart over STD knives, and worlds below proto knives. The thing is, I didn't see anyone crying out for more damage, but everybody seems to be like "Stupid Minjas, you want everything, blahblahblah." The suit bonus DOES make a nice difference, and I'm not saying I'd be happy to lose it... but if I had to swallow it for a compromise, I'd figure out how to get 2x complex sidearm damage mods in there.

I'd figure out how to get 2x complex sidearm damage mods in there.

I guess I'm mostly just worried that if NK gets buffed too much in Charlie, it'll get nerfed into the ground by Echo.

I don't wanna be a shotgun scout.

Hmm.. that would be fun actually.. so you'd basically have to abandon all defense.. go straight up speed and damage. I kind of like the concept.

What about this?

With complex PG, would F/45's fit instead of the compact nano? Either way, that fit looks like a blast

And I dunno, man. I been seeing a lot more ZN's in the killfeed lately - I think despite the suit's shortcomings and the knives' difficulty there are a few folks out there discovering the fun of it. All we need is proto stompers losing too much ISK in pubs to come here and be a whining vocal minority on the forums...

The great irony of dust 514 to me, is how perfectly they nailed the balance of Ishnoks on any minja suit- M-1 to Mk.0. I killed chicago cubs in an M-1 with Ishnoks. Needless to say he was in the middle of a protostomp squad of heavy hitters.

Any other weapon and I'd have had no chance whatsoever. If CCP has done anything right ever- that is straight up magic right there. No other game has as good knife combat. Especially knife vs guns.

I preferred my KLA-90 PLC kill on CUBS to the times I've knifed or shotgunned him. I mean, it was pretty much my ultimate goal to kill all my former corpmates with plasma cannons until Bravo. Now they're a legitimate choice for me to use on the battlefield.

Yes, cal get range.

I think backpedallng slower does not have widespread support internally. I also don't understand why you need it, min scout base speed is already higher than all others, so who is it you can't catch while backpedaling?

Personally I don't mind too much giving up a knife attack if my opponent turns around in time. It's annoying, but a much bigger problem for me is when you go to knife someone from behind or side, and they suddenly change direction at the last second, causing your attack to miss and in most cases certain death.

Can you increase walking speed when equip knife?

1. Ok, caught up with the barbershop. I'm pleased most people seem to like the proposed suit bonuses. I like them. If they were changed to module efficiency bonuses at a later date the Cal bonus would have to stay innate to allow the fitting of damps.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to Hear's table wouldn't a Gal scout still need 2 damps to avoid an Amarr scout's scans? I don't see a problem with this.

3. As for focused scanners on Gal logis, I'm still hopeful that the limitations of active scanners will balance them. Wouldn't the limited scan arc and long cool downs make constantly spamming 4 focused scanners unreliable enough to discourage the tactic. Would it be worth doing this all battle without even guaranteeing catching the enemy's scouts. Not to mention the fact that Gal scouts can dampen to 14 with only 2 damps and an active proto cloak.
Surely the 21db flux and quantum scanners would be much more common. Meaning in most situations, Amarr scouts would have the strongest scans?

Maybe I'm being naive.

TPLAK!

Updated Pre-Charlie Number Crunching to include recent suggestions (see 'Brainstorming' tab).

1) Set precision of GA Logi + Focused to match AM Scout max precision (18dB).
2) Change cloak dampening bonus from 0-5-10 to 5-7-9.
3) Increase walk speed when Nova Knives are equipped.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

Thoughts on hotfix charily changes? (goes to back read in case this has already been answered)

o7

Lots of positive reaction; minor tweaks suggested here and there.

Sweet, any full on consensus regarding the minor tweaks, so that I can make sure I"m clear on those? (and hopefully the reasons why) /is still backreading

Cheers,
Cross

Sweet, any full on consensus regarding the minor tweaks, so that I can make sure I"m clear on those? (and hopefully the reasons why) /is still backreading

Cheers,
Cross

many here would advise our favorite CPM candidate to not sign off this one. :-)[/i]

Can you increase walking speed when equip knife?