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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:06:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Secondary post as this is about cloak. But if things like flux start to drain cloak, along with weapons. I see a lot fewer people running them. Cloaks make my life a little easier, but if they get to be "more trouble", I will gladly use that second equipment slot for something that has more tangible uses.
Currently I only use cloak for its damp bonus and hacking nonobjective points.
I would say flux or weapon damage, not both. Whatever it is, has to cause a disturbance of the field and the easiest is a decloak followed by recloak after a short duration. I guess another option would be shimmer flashing a bright white/blue.
Also - Your point illustrates the tradeoff that may need to occur. Cloak is powerful; if it was more finicky while providing its visual and electronic dampening then persons may act more carefully while using them or just choose to use other equipment.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
345
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:40:00 -
[13172] - Quote
Oh - just finished watching Capn 2
Will now always picture my Minnie clones as the Winter Soldier
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
4163
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:11:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote: And I'm insulted that none of you have mentioned Super Stardust HD or Wipeout HD + Fury expansion, both of those games are awesome!
As Shotty forgot Dragon Age, I forgot Wipeout. I got gold on nearly every single map and almost got platinum for my friend. Just like Infamous I got it for free from the PSN hack. Super Stardust HD... maybe if it is free for PS+ members. There are a lot of the HD series/remake/reinvisiond platformer games in the PSN store. They're all really awesome, but I've never spent money on them. Always just played them when I was at a friend's place. OMG. I said that and I forgot. Castle Crashers MegaMan 9 MegaMan 10
I used the Hack bonus to get Infamous and Wipeout as well.
We should race sometime! I can bust out the old Assegai and have some fun!
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:19:00 -
[13174] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote: And I'm insulted that none of you have mentioned Super Stardust HD or Wipeout HD + Fury expansion, both of those games are awesome!
As Shotty forgot Dragon Age, I forgot Wipeout. I got gold on nearly every single map and almost got platinum for my friend. Just like Infamous I got it for free from the PSN hack. Super Stardust HD... maybe if it is free for PS+ members. There are a lot of the HD series/remake/reinvisiond platformer games in the PSN store. They're all really awesome, but I've never spent money on them. Always just played them when I was at a friend's place. OMG. I said that and I forgot. Castle Crashers MegaMan 9 MegaMan 10 I used the Hack bonus to get Infamous and Wipeout as well. We should race sometime! I can bust out the old Assegai and have some fun! WipeOut is a great racing game i usually do a couple of races before i get on dust.
Silent you must be
Or die you will
From Master scout a kind message
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
4167
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:31:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
@ Minmatar (paging Ghost Kaisar) Is there more to the Minmatar's problems than limited resources and fitting constraints? To quote Mr Musturd, "Man, I don't play Ghostbusters514 unless they need me for PC."
Outside of the fitting constraints? Not really for me. Lack of a bonus to precision or dampening is terrible though, as it really makes the Min and Amarr pale by comparison. I have to use a a high slot to pick up proto damp suits, and if I want a semi decent scan range, you gotta have a range extender.
The main problem is the lack of versatiltiy. You have to laser focus a Min Scout.
You want speed? Well, you won't really have too much PG left over for Hacks (Without running very low PG weapons, and no second equipment. Also, say goodbye to triple shields. I run this fit, but than again, I'M CRAZY)
You want Hacks? Welp, no speed for you. Dual hacks consumes all of the two low slots you have left over (Never run without a proto damp). PG problems limit fitting from there.
You want eWAR? You gotta run at least a single range extender and two complex precisions to hit below 28dB. You now have 198 shields at max. You now get to see what you want on that last low slot. Choose wisely.
Fitting Cal or Gal or even Amarr scout is SOOOO much easier than a Min Scout.
I will say this though, as gimped as the suit is versatility wise, not much can compete with its specialized fits.
Speed fits will leave everyone else in the dust. 2 Kincats makes you the fastest on the field barring a triple kincat and cardiac gal scout. And they will have far less recoverable eHP than you do (I can run 270 shields on the above fit, be proto damped, and have 60 shield recharge a second, ON TOP of a Six Kin ACR and proto Knives + Cloak)
Hack fits can hack in INSANE amounts of time. A single hack mod puts you at 4.6s. Two will get you down to 3.8s hacks. You can sill run decent shields and recovery, with proto damps and a cloak. You don't have the speed to escape, but you can counter hack and hack in lightning quick times.
You can also run a combat scout with decent success. I can fit a Min Scout with 343 shields, 170 armor with no speed penalty. Proto damps, proto armor rep, a Boundless and a Core Flaylock. With an ADV cloak. It's fast, tough, and still has a 6 second hack time.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2085
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Posted - 2014.04.13 00:04:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Red pills are mandatory if you want to knife. Those fits are great, but can be outdone on the gal scout with ease. Something else to notice, you are forced to fit basic great on an adv suit with level 5 skills. Other scouts you can mostly fit complex gear on a adv suit. The disparity is the issue. Along with overlapping/outdoing roles. Which is what caused slayer logis. Minmitar won't be used if it can be outdone with a different suit.
I completely disagree. I have no problems knifing people without any kincats. It's great that DUST is a game with no One-True-Build's, but last patch I always needed Cardiac Regulators on my knife fits to make it work. The buff the suit got to that just makes Biotic mods costly little additions that don't help the suit do anything and only take away from fitting. 1.13m/s is how much faster the min-scout goes with a complex kin-cat, I've never encountered a time where that was significant enough to matter.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
347
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Posted - 2014.04.13 02:01:00 -
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Thing is Min dont have hp, range, dampening or precision in their favour and what you advocate is not taking advantage of the one thing they do have when the others do fine at maximising their attributes.
Not saying what you advise is wrong but game design wise that cant be right.
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
4180
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Posted - 2014.04.13 03:37:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Thing is Min dont have hp, range, dampening or precision in their favour and what you advocate is not taking advantage of the one thing they do have when the others do fine at maximising their attributes.
Not saying what you advise is wrong but game design wise that cant be right.
CCP hates the minmatar, we've discussed this already
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Mathppia
Nos Nothi
0
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:07:00 -
[13179] - Quote
It had to be done. |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
4183
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:13:00 -
[13180] - Quote
Mathppia wrote:It had to be done.
Take all of my likes!
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
4183
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Posted - 2014.04.13 04:17:00 -
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AAAAAANNNNNNDDDD
I just P.O'd all of The Phoenix Federation (At least it seems)
Since you guys know me, please read this and tell me if I actually sound arrogant in this. I try to avoid sounding like that when I post. Here is the thread
My last few posts tried to clarify my thoughts to the raging masses, but I think they are still rather mad.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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DISGRUNTLEDev
396
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Posted - 2014.04.13 07:05:00 -
[13182] - Quote
You are in the clear Ghost. AE announced Qsyncing all day today in FW. They ran like small rabbits when we were on the other team. Considering we were giving isk for GGs, fairly lame. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2845
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Posted - 2014.04.13 09:15:00 -
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I feel like I need to repost my thoughts on cloaks from IWS' thread:
Django Quik wrote:Having any weapon affect cloak charge will have no impact on cloaks being 'OP' (in quotes because I don't necessarily agree that they are). If you're already attacking a cloaked scout, it really doesn't matter if they're cloaked or not - the problem is when you're not attacking them, don't know they're there and they're attacking you (still cloaked).
Athena above me has the right ideas. Most of all get the decloak-insta-shoot problem fixed and most cloak issues will disappear instantly. A slightly increased decloak time and slightly less total cloak charge and slower recharge are all acceptable nerfs but only if kept slight.
I also wouldn't be totally against raising the fittings requirements a little but I don't think this will achieve that much - it's certainly preferable to lowering scouts cloak fitting bonus, which would just bring us closer to the level of other suits (specifically logis) ability to cloak.
The cloak should be encouraged as a method of changing position rather than an assault tool. Reach a safe location near where you want to be, perhaps behind the enemy line, decloak, then attack; not run right up to enemy, attack while decloaking. Weapon/Flux damage will in no way balance cloaks and will not sate the bloodrage of the QQ masses. Some small numerical changes and fixing the shooting before decloak has finished problem will balance it fine. What needs to happen before ANYTHING else is assault suits getting their stats/slots changes. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS HAS STILL NOT HAPPENED WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FOR 1.8.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Murt Lesp
Leviathan Battalion
172
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:03:00 -
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2 Questions for you all:
1. Any information about our event rewards?
2. Any advice for someone starting his own corp?
The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
Master with a Scanner
Min Logi, Cal & Gal Scouts
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2849
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:26:00 -
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Murt Lesp wrote:2 Questions for you all:
1. Any information about our event rewards?
2. Any advice for someone starting his own corp? Event rewards will be sent out early - mid next week.
Corps can be really easy or really hard to set up. If you just try to start a corp from scratch, you'll struggle. If you have a bunch of friends who are already up for being in the corp together, you'll have a much easier time. Otherwise, you're going to need something strong to offer that will actually draw people to you.
You could always go the Duna or CBJ route and invite everyone you ever see and numbers will grow but you'll end up with hundreds of people you don't know and they'll mostly be useless.
Dedicated sidearm scout - Watch out for that headshot
Scout community is the nuts
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2089
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Posted - 2014.04.13 13:47:00 -
[13186] - Quote
Django Quik wrote:I feel like I need to repost my thoughts on cloaks from IWS' thread: Django Quik wrote:Having any weapon affect cloak charge will have no impact on cloaks being 'OP' (in quotes because I don't necessarily agree that they are). If you're already attacking a cloaked scout, it really doesn't matter if they're cloaked or not - the problem is when you're not attacking them, don't know they're there and they're attacking you (still cloaked).
Athena above me has the right ideas. Most of all get the decloak-insta-shoot problem fixed and most cloak issues will disappear instantly. A slightly increased decloak time and slightly less total cloak charge and slower recharge are all acceptable nerfs but only if kept slight.
I also wouldn't be totally against raising the fittings requirements a little but I don't think this will achieve that much - it's certainly preferable to lowering scouts cloak fitting bonus, which would just bring us closer to the level of other suits (specifically logis) ability to cloak.
The cloak should be encouraged as a method of changing position rather than an assault tool. Reach a safe location near where you want to be, perhaps behind the enemy line, decloak, then attack; not run right up to enemy, attack while decloaking. Weapon/Flux damage will in no way balance cloaks and will not sate the bloodrage of the QQ masses. Some small numerical changes and fixing the shooting before decloak has finished problem will balance it fine. What needs to happen before ANYTHING else is assault suits getting their stats/slots changes. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS HAS STILL NOT HAPPENED WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE FOR 1.8.
The biggest problem with the cloak is that you can hide inside a null cannon or as close as possible to an installation with no real counter. The current mechanics are made for camping. We all knew that. They are only good for moving around undetected when used as an active dampener or when you distance between you and an opponent is greater than the optimal range of whoever would have seen you.
The flux breaking/draining thing really doesn't seem like it will actually do anything. I've never been hit by a flux while cloaked and I've certainly spent a lot of time cloaked so far. Draining the cloak from taking damage is also a punitive measure that would not help balance the cloak but only a way for people that are complaining about it feel like they've gained some sort of victory over it.
Definitely +1 to Django.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
157
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Posted - 2014.04.13 14:33:00 -
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DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:You are in the clear Ghost. AE announced Qsyncing all day today in FW. They ran like small rabbits when we were on the other team. Considering we were giving isk for GGs, fairly lame.
Ghost Kaisar wrote:AAAAAANNNNNNDDDD I just P.O'd all of The Phoenix Federation (At least it seems) Since you guys know me, please read this and tell me if I actually sound arrogant in this. I try to avoid sounding like that when I post. Here is the threadMy last few posts tried to clarify my thoughts to the raging masses, but I think they are still rather mad. I call bullsh*t.
You know what happens when a poor sod puts up a fight? Tank Spam. Every f*cking time. That'd be good and fine if we had AV, but CCP can't be bothered to give us f*cking AV.
So the bigname squads start off a match all brave and honorable, but that "good fight" shite flies out the window the second the first guy in proto gear gets dropped from behind.
So f*ck you, f*ck your queue sync, and f*ck your tanks. I'm out faster than you can say Coalicion Del Tanko.
Who's the p*ssy?
Bang?
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IgniteableAura
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
870
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Posted - 2014.04.13 14:45:00 -
[13188] - Quote
Clearly....shotty doesn't like tanks. Who knew ;)
PHI Recruitment
or PHIsh Tank in game
Youtube
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2089
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Posted - 2014.04.13 14:51:00 -
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But Shotty, if I don't queue up with a second squad of people I might lose! Or possibly have fun... oh wait. I can't have fun unless I run full proto and spam tanks.
I still feel dirty from when Frost Kitty convinced me to use proto gear in a pub match last night.
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2874
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Posted - 2014.04.13 15:52:00 -
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I was feeling bad about hitting OZ with an RE last night. I had just gotten hit by a Cal and Gal Scout at an Objective and laid a trap for them at the CRU suddenly I see a Gal Scout standing on my RE I go to detonate Nothing Again NothingGǪ realize I am on my cloak not my detonator
Switch to detonator and Gal is now Right in front of me I thought that it was the pair coming at me again Toss RE leap back and detonate See that Gal has Knives out It was OZ Wish i had realized it sooner because it could have been a Knife fight. And I never get to have those any more.
To many unrecognizable scouts out and about, it's hard to make a call on who will fight you. And i just made the line on that worse. Last time I ran into a scout who wanted a Knife fight a Tank rolled up and blasted me in the middle of it. The Minja did attack her "friendly" HAV to show her displeasure. the majority of Knife fights in 1.8 have just resulted in someone pulling out a weapon and shooting me So it is getting harder to duel. And now I contributed to that a little
KRRROOOOOOM
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
1210
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Posted - 2014.04.13 15:59:00 -
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While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
205
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Posted - 2014.04.13 16:27:00 -
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I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
2874
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Posted - 2014.04.13 17:08:00 -
[13193] - Quote
Spademan wrote:While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight? As long as you don't shoot the Red while the fight is going on i see no problem with that.
voidfaction wrote:I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out.
I don't really expect knife fights, they happen if they happen. If someone has Knives out, I figure they may be up for a Knife fight, but plenty of people are not. Lots of scouts didn't run Knives before 1.8, and now that we have an influx of scouts it's probably even less.
Just observation on Knifers in 1.8
I've yet to see an Amarr scout run Knives (and I do see a few Amarr Scouts) Only one Cal Scout have I seen run Knives (See a lot of Cal Scouts though) One Gal so far ( See a lot of Gals with SG though) And I see less Min than I did before (Not sure where they all went. Cal Maybe?)
KRRROOOOOOM
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Murt Lesp
Leviathan Battalion
172
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Posted - 2014.04.13 17:13:00 -
[13194] - Quote
Django Quik wrote:Murt Lesp wrote:2 Questions for you all:
1. Any information about our event rewards?
2. Any advice for someone starting his own corp? Event rewards will be sent out early - mid next week. Corps can be really easy or really hard to set up. If you just try to start a corp from scratch, you'll struggle. If you have a bunch of friends who are already up for being in the corp together, you'll have a much easier time. Otherwise, you're going to need something strong to offer that will actually draw people to you. You could always go the Duna or CBJ route and invite everyone you ever see and numbers will grow but you'll end up with hundreds of people you don't know and they'll mostly be useless.
Good to know, looks like my alt is getting promoted to ceo while I get corp experience
And it'll be nice to get my sp prior to the grind for more sp
Thanks, Quik
The Leviathan has Awoken and in hungers
Master with a Scanner
Min Logi, Cal & Gal Scouts
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
206
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Posted - 2014.04.13 18:52:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Spademan wrote:While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight? As long as you don't shoot the Red while the fight is going on i see no problem with that. voidfaction wrote:I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out. I don't really expect knife fights, they happen if they happen. If someone has Knives out, I figure they may be up for a Knife fight, but plenty of people are not. Lots of scouts didn't run Knives before 1.8, and now that we have an influx of scouts it's probably even less. Just observation on Knifers in 1.8 I've yet to see an Amarr scout run Knives (and I do see a few Amarr Scouts) Only one Cal Scout have I seen run Knives (See a lot of Cal Scouts though) One Gal so far ( See a lot of Gals with SG though) And I see less Min than I did before (Not sure where they all went. Cal Maybe?)
If I still had min scout I would have a knife as I am the type that maximize my bonuses. Dropped Min scout for Cal as I still have never lvled up kinkats, cardiac, melee or knives. I know what kind of scout don't have those right, lol the same thing i think of scouts that don't have precision, range, dampening to 5
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
2876
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:11:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Spademan wrote:While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight? As long as you don't shoot the Red while the fight is going on i see no problem with that. voidfaction wrote:I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out. I don't really expect knife fights, they happen if they happen. If someone has Knives out, I figure they may be up for a Knife fight, but plenty of people are not. Lots of scouts didn't run Knives before 1.8, and now that we have an influx of scouts it's probably even less. Just observation on Knifers in 1.8 I've yet to see an Amarr scout run Knives (and I do see a few Amarr Scouts) Only one Cal Scout have I seen run Knives (See a lot of Cal Scouts though) One Gal so far ( See a lot of Gals with SG though) And I see less Min than I did before (Not sure where they all went. Cal Maybe?) If I still had min scout I would have a knife as I am the type that maximize my bonuses. Dropped Min scout for Cal as I still have never lvled up kinkats, cardiac, melee or knives. I know what kind of scout don't have those right, lol the same thing i think of scouts that don't have precision, range, dampening to 5 So many ways to actually build a suit, one of the things that keeps me playing this game. I run so much EWAR on my Gal My Min is more biopics focused, not to say I don't have my EWAR skilled up as much as possible. But they run very different styles, that's why I did separate characters for them, and to see how skilling up the suits went. Once you have so many skills up it's hard to say what the progression would actually be like from scratch. I like having that sense of development to my suits. That being said after the Sidearm SP is deployed I will start skilling Cal scout on my Gal account to see what it is like without going through the full development. (I think they are similar enough that it won't be as different as Min from Gal.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Nyra Volki
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
218
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:21:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Spademan wrote:While on the topic of knife fights Llast, is it considered bad form to watch a knife fight through a sniper scope and shoot the red if he wins after the fight? As long as you don't shoot the Red while the fight is going on i see no problem with that. voidfaction wrote:I don't ever carry a knife so if you expect a knife fight when you see me it's your own fault if I shoot you. I lvled up NK to 3 only for the scout event and even then only used it till i used up the 20 i bought to try them out. I don't really expect knife fights, they happen if they happen. If someone has Knives out, I figure they may be up for a Knife fight, but plenty of people are not. Lots of scouts didn't run Knives before 1.8, and now that we have an influx of scouts it's probably even less. Just observation on Knifers in 1.8 I've yet to see an Amarr scout run Knives (and I do see a few Amarr Scouts) Only one Cal Scout have I seen run Knives (See a lot of Cal Scouts though) One Gal so far ( See a lot of Gals with SG though) And I see less Min than I did before (Not sure where they all went. Cal Maybe?) Amarr scout with knifes you now shall see.
Silent you must be
Or die you will
From Master scout a kind message
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
879
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Posted - 2014.04.13 19:43:00 -
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somebody hook me up with the torrent for ep2 of Game of Thrones? all the damn sites are overloaded to **** and I dont have sky atlantic
Nemo me impune lacessit
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
164
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:45:00 -
[13199] - Quote
Obodiah Garro wrote:somebody hook me up with the torrent for ep2 of Game of Thrones? all the damn sites are overloaded to **** and I dont have sky atlantic @ Random Repost your request in GD; get your own thread locked.
@ Barbershop Mgmt Did someone swap out a dampener for a plate?
Bang?
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
884
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Posted - 2014.04.13 20:55:00 -
[13200] - Quote
Random?
Nemo me impune lacessit
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