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An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:54:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Scout Registry wrote:
Most importantly, don't listen to Quil if/when he weighs in on this.
give the shotgun more damage.
Well played sir 
(we need a hat tipping face)
KRRROOOOOOM
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Supra Advyn
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.01.23 17:58:00 -
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the Kid in front of the class, holding it's arm up, way stretched out, with stars in its eye's.
Praying to it's higher power under the breath, pick me pick me, oh, I know this answer.
Stary eye gleams towards the teacher, waiting to answer the mundane question
with reckless abandon. teacher picks the one in the back drawing godzilla monsters on his homework....
aka Kahn
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Driftward
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:03:00 -
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Fellow scouts. Please chime in on the discussion of profile reduction bonus for cloaks (either for or against) that I've started in the equip stat feedback thread.
I've included links to two consecutive posts of mine in which I make several arguments and refute some other peoples misinformed theory crafting and stupidity. I would really appreciate some other view points on this, especially in light of how critical this element is to game play (ie tacnet, scanning, and I'm presuming that cloaking will be rather important)
Link 1
Link 2
I'm very concerned that this feature will break the utility of scanning (passive or active) in combination with the proposed scanner nerfs already in the works.
Scanning is the one (the major one anyways) way in which non scout suits will be able to counter us (after cloaking). Making scanning for scouts useless from the start is just going to make us decend even further into the FOTM mob. In my opinion. |
Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
2239
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:05:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Scout Registry wrote:
Most importantly, don't listen to Quil if/when he weighs in on this.
give the shotgun more damage.
"I KNOW! I'll agree with him now! That'll show him!"
*Writes his post*
"Ah yeah, who's the smart one now?"
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
8283
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:10:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Scout Registry wrote:
Most importantly, don't listen to Quil if/when he weighs in on this.
give the shotgun more damage. "I KNOW! I'll agree with him now! That'll show him!" *Writes his post* "Ah yeah, who's the smart one now?"
TBF, he played that well. 
Level 8 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3157
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:16:00 -
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Driftward wrote:...snip....
I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. I have to do that now or just not run my suit. The point of the suit is to avoid detection. To reduce it's ability to avoid detection anymore will put us right back at where we are now: having to gimp our suits to avoid scanners.
I want those days to be over. I'm tired of my eHP getting cut because one person is running a scanner. I will already have to cut my eHP to run a damp if someone is using a focus. I'd rather not have to run two and waste all three of my low slots just to avoid detection.
Simply put, the bonus makes sense. It's an active dampener with a bonus high enough to get a scout below a focused when he wants to be. It allows a scout to be a scout.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
226
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:25:00 -
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i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3157
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:26:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either.
You're already going to have use 1 low slot PLUS a cloak to beat a focus.
No, a suit shouldn't have to use most of it's low slots because of one guy.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
226
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:28:00 -
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My son is playing right now... was playing assault on my account for along time with the caldari BPO that comes with the 50 dollar pack.... Well... he has turned to the dark side and is now running scout. hahaha thats my boy
And also he learned to knife in about 8 minutes... damn kids being good at everything |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2098
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:30:00 -
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I really don't think the profile reduction on cloaks is going to be that great a game changer either way.
Honestly, I'd rather it not be there but for no other reason that I see it as pointless. If you're a scout, then your profile is already pretty low but if you don't dampen at all and expect to be running around under proto scanners, yeah for those 30 seconds max you'll be god but when uncloaked, you're dead. I won't be doing cloaky stuff without knowing I'm still going to be unscannable when uncloaked too and I doubt many sensible scouts would either.
This bonus just makes it tempting to ignore your uncloaked profile, which is dangerous. I really see no benefit in it and thus, it is a pointless bonus in my eyes.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
3663
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:30:00 -
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Ran into a squad of scouts with shotguns (disgraceful, I know) yesterday. Shoved my knife into the face of one before another got me.
Not sure where they went the rest of the battle.
We used to have a time machine
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
796
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:31:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Driftward wrote:...snip.... I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner.
first, please note that focused is now only 20.
Not to mention that will no longer be scan-spin... and it has a horrendous cooldown time.
Quote:
I have to do that now or just not run my suit.
Wuss!!  |
Lucifalic
Nos Nothi
228
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:31:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Lucifalic wrote:i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either. You're already going to have use 1 low slot PLUS a cloak to beat a focus. No, a suit shouldn't have to use most of it's low slots because of one guy.
Be that as it may... the problem with the cloak bonus to dampening is that logis will be getting the most out of it. and to hell with medium frames ;)
No matter what happens ill just have to deal with it. Im only hoping we dont see a huge influx of meds switching to scout and running cloaks and brick tanking....
Of course that would be fun to hunt them in a cal scout hunter suit ;) |
Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
796
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:35:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:
No matter what happens ill just have to deal with it. Im only hoping we dont see a huge influx of meds switching to scout and running cloaks and brick tanking....
pfft. if they keep the cloak damp, I'd be more likely to switch to logi.
Forget brick tanking, i'd run it like a scout, and wreak mayhem
Cloak, PLUS remotes, PLUS scanner, PLUS invisible to other peoples scanners?!?!?
Oh, and an assault RR.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3158
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:35:00 -
[8505] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Driftward wrote:...snip.... I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. first, please note that focused is now only 20. Not to mention that will no longer be scan-spin... and it has a horrendous cooldown time. Quote:
I have to do that now or just not run my suit.
Wuss!!
...?
With one complex damp and skills a scout is at 23.6 db.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2098
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:37:00 -
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I really do think that logis are going to get a considerable nerf to CPU/PG, so fitting a cloak will be nigh on impossible for them - at least as long as they want to run anything else semi-good on their suits too.
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Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
2098
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:38:00 -
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Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3158
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:39:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again.
Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:40:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:I really do think that logis are going to get a considerable nerf to CPU/PG, so fitting a cloak will be nigh on impossible for them - at least as long as they want to run anything else semi-good on their suits too.
Meh. I'd rather see them get a slot count nerf. Then they can have all the cpu/pg they want.
"support" roles do not need that many slots. Only frontline types do.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
797
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:42:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again. Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around.
lets be honest.. it's YOU.
Just like when I see musturd on the other team, I want to reach for my logi 2xfocused fit. 
Other people still probably wont have that problem 
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3158
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:43:00 -
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Lucifalic wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Lucifalic wrote:i say no to the cloak dampening.... it isnt needed. if someone is using a focused scanner you should have to "waste" a low slot or two to avoid it. The scanner certainly isnt cheap on both cpu and your pocketbook. I used to be against it but now i just deal with it and adapt. Plus ill find the funker using the thing and hunt him. Can you say knife to the neck??
He will not see you coming either. You're already going to have use 1 low slot PLUS a cloak to beat a focus. No, a suit shouldn't have to use most of it's low slots because of one guy. Be that as it may... the problem with the cloak bonus to dampening is that logis will be getting the most out of it. and to hell with medium frames ;) No matter what happens ill just have to deal with it. Im only hoping we dont see a huge influx of meds switching to scout and running cloaks and brick tanking.... Of course that would be fun to hunt them in a cal scout hunter suit ;)
A logi will completely ruin his suit to equip a cloak and dampeners. Even with cloak active without a damp an adv scanner will pick them up. If a logi wants to fill all of his lot slots with upgrades and damps to become a fake scout let him. He'll have no room for a good weapon, any other equipment, or any sort of tank.
The bonus is not for other suits. It's for us.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Master Smurf
Nos Nothi
37
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:44:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Django Quik wrote:I really do think that logis are going to get a considerable nerf to CPU/PG, so fitting a cloak will be nigh on impossible for them - at least as long as they want to run anything else semi-good on their suits too. Meh. I'd rather see them get a slot count nerf. Then they can have all the cpu/pg they want. "support" roles do not need that many slots. Only frontline types do.
 A broken clock and all that
"Shine bright like a diamond"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1560
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:44:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Django Quik wrote:I really do think that logis are going to get a considerable nerf to CPU/PG, so fitting a cloak will be nigh on impossible for them - at least as long as they want to run anything else semi-good on their suits too. Meh. I'd rather see them get a slot count nerf. Then they can have all the cpu/pg they want. "support" roles do not need that many slots. Only frontline types do.
I think CPU/PG will likely go down to align with the fitting bonus. I doubt slots will be removed from the Logi. I think assaults will get another slot though.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Driftward
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:54:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Driftward wrote:...snip.... I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. I have to do that now or just not run my suit. The point of the suit is to avoid detection. To reduce it's ability to avoid detection anymore will put us right back at where we are now: having to gimp our suits to avoid scanners. I want those days to be over. I'm tired of my eHP getting cut because one person is running a scanner. I will already have to cut my eHP to run a damp if someone is using a focus. I'd rather not have to run two and waste all three of my low slots just to avoid detection. Simply put, the bonus makes sense. It's an active dampener with a bonus high enough to get a scout below a focused when he wants to be and maintain enough eHP to not be an instant kill. It allows a scout to be a scout. While I did not expect a dampening bonus for the cloak in the big picture it works. To remove it will make make suits with less lowslots (caldari in particular) the most gimped out of scouts.
Hmm for some reason I thought you had quoted me saying the profile needed reduction on scouts from a while back (hence how i responded in the feedback thread).....
regardless I think the caldari scout is going to have to HTFU and run 1 dampener in their lows to get stealthy. Fortunately they have a role more focused on finding stealthy people than being stealthy themselves. If you don't like that role....make the slot sacrifice to run a more stealthy cal scout or pick up a gallente scout if that better fits your play style. Not every scout will play like every other, and they shouldn't.
Checks and balances. |
Driftward
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.23 18:57:00 -
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Master Smurf wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Django Quik wrote:I really do think that logis are going to get a considerable nerf to CPU/PG, so fitting a cloak will be nigh on impossible for them - at least as long as they want to run anything else semi-good on their suits too. Meh. I'd rather see them get a slot count nerf. Then they can have all the cpu/pg they want. "support" roles do not need that many slots. Only frontline types do. A broken clock and all that
Only right twice a day?
OHHH I see what you did there.....clever....+1 sir |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
368
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:03:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Driftward wrote:...snip.... I get what you're saying but personally I'm not a fan of having to completely gimp my suit because one guy brings out a focused scanner. first, please note that focused is now only 20. Not to mention that will no longer be scan-spin... and it has a horrendous cooldown time. Quote:
I have to do that now or just not run my suit.
Wuss!! ...? With one complex damp and skills a scout is at 23.6 db. To beat a focused i'd have to use both of my available low slots. a minnie is going to have to use a PG upgrade to fit things in his slots. This also means a caldari will NEVER be able to beat a focused without completely ruining his suit. Simply put no. I do not agree.
^^This^^
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Onesimus Tarsus
930
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:03:00 -
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Quintessential whiner that I am, I wonder why I'm crossed off the list on the Op. I'm still here, I still scout, I still suck.
Free, on-demand Respecs. Because it doesn't matter and no one should care.
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Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
368
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:06:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again. Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something.
There have been a lot of focused scanners in pubs lately. I'm tired of the things, and don't want to have to crap out my suit just to avoid 'em. |
Driftward
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:06:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:
*snip*
This also means a caldari will NEVER be able to beat a focused without completely ruining his suit.
Simply put no. I do not agree.
^^This^^
We can't make a bonus for an equipment based off of one race of one suit. Combat roles need to vary across the races. Not make one master race to rule them all. Despite my future love of my caldari scout suit. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
3162
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Posted - 2014.01.23 19:10:00 -
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Ruthless Lee wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Django Quik wrote:Also, only in one match have I ever seen a focused scanner. With the removal of the spin scan, I highly doubt you'll ever see them again. Clearly you don't play against people like outer heaven. Every match I play against certain groups I have to put my scout suit away because they run focused scanners because they know scouts (me) are around. To rely on peoples laziness to equip the proper scanner is not a way to balance something. There have been a lot of focused scanners in pubs lately. I'm tired of the things, and don't want to have to crap out my suit just to avoid 'em.
Yes the scout event has brought peoples paranoia up by quite a bit. Soon people will realize "oh if i equip that I don't have to worry about that scout anymore nor anyone else. "
That's only one person in a squad of 6 that has to move from a proto side arm and nade to a std side arm and std nade. You guys have to remember that people talk to each other over comms and relay intel. Also scanners display your location to entire squads, not just one guy.
You can't rely on people being idiots. Not every match is your average derp filled pub match.
An easily counter-able scout becomes useless in a competitive setting.
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