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True Adamance wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

I know I've not commented on most of the discussion so far but how would people feel about Amarr scouts getting a natural ammo repletion on laser weapons for their skill? Nothing too drastic but maybe like 1% total ammo every 10 seconds per level. At proto level you'd get 5% per 10 seconds, which would fully replenish a fully depleted weapon in 200 seconds or 3 minutes 20 seconds. Of course these are just example numbers and open to change.

This would fit with the whole relentless Amarr lore stuff perfectly and is very much a combat focused skill, which goes well with them being a very aggressive race.

Wow, yeah, that sounds like my favorite one so far.

Yes.....and given that EVE side laser tech has not ammunition values and is essentially limitless..... However I strikes me as and oddity, not a bad bonus by any means, just odd.

True, it's a bit outside the box and possibly hard to implement but could be cool - would have to entirely replace the stamina bonus though I reckon.

No dice then. Stamina bonus is by far the best fitting and only worth while bonus left to the Amarr on this one. I already dropped my argument down from Complex Cardiac Regulator. I will not drop it from less than ADV regulator.

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Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4152	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:23:00 - [8341] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: btw, you guys feel up to some more scout rage? How about in the official EQ feedback thread. Let em know how you feel about a 800HP, gek wielding, CLOAKED logi. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 The Standard Cloak alone takes up more than 1/3 of my PG on my Prototype Logi. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1530	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:25:00 - [8342] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: Half of what you said is true, and half isnt. And half, is half true : QuilGÇª are you a hobbit? Well.. I'm English. That's almost the same thing Fair enough KRRROOOOOOM
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 30	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:28:00 - [8343] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: btw, you guys feel up to some more scout rage? How about in the official EQ feedback thread. Let em know how you feel about a 800HP, gek wielding, CLOAKED logi. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 The Standard Cloak alone takes up more than 1/3 of my PG on my Prototype Logi. With alot of grinding to maximise the fit. They can only hide from a few scanners for 30s and once they shoot they are a sitting duck. Sure you could troll some objectives but not really efficient use of a suit. This is what we will get if anyone with an equipment slot can use a cloak. Its meant to be difficult no impossible. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4153	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:30:00 - [8344] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: With alot of grinding to maximise the fit. They can only hide from a few scanners for 30s and once they shoot they are a sitting duck. Sure you could troll some objectives but not really efficient use of a suit. This is what we will get if anyone with an equipment slot can use a cloak. Its meant to be difficult no impossible. I'm saying that it would be pretty worthless to have it on anything other than a Scout. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1531	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 - [8345] - Quote on a completely unrelated note The Thread is now a Level 10 Forum Warrior KRRROOOOOOM
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 30	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:32:00 - [8346] - Quote @Patrick - I am agreeing with you. That was for Quill who seems to be trying some FUD in that thread. "Shine bright like a diamond"
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 244	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:41:00 - [8347] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: btw, you guys feel up to some more scout rage? How about in the official EQ feedback thread. Let em know how you feel about a 800HP, gek wielding, CLOAKED logi. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 nothing that a little knife to the back cant solve, and caldari scouts are gonna have a field day with this one. Dragons don't have friends. The nearest we can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2196	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:42:00 - [8348] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I believe I have answered all of your counter arguments. Please read the bold. Also, stop trying to bring up headshots as the magical cure to DPS. They are there for EXTRA damage, not to make up for terrible base stats. Yet ironically, YOU bring up headshots for the scrambler pistol. I think you're not thinking calmly about this (as shown by that dichotomy), so I wont attempt to reply to your post further on that. I'm getting frustrated because you have no experience with the weapon, no data to back anything up, and you just don't seem to grasp the points I am trying to make! (or are just refusing to acknowledge them) I specifically stated that ScP's do NOT need headshots to give them a good DPS. READ MY MATH. An ScP WITHOUT proficiency can take down a shield tank in one clip to the chest. A fully specced out Flaylock can't do the same to an Armor tank. Not even close. Here is some more data for you! TT-3 actually does 84 damage instead of 75. Here is the new damage to a Cal assault, with 600 shields and 200 armor. First 6 shots will deal 600 damage to shields, and 23 damage to armor. You now have to deal 177 damage to kill target. You can deal that last 177 damage in 3 shots. You still have 2 shots left in the clip. Now lets try the same experiment with a Proto Flaylock with Proficiency. Against an armor tank, with 200 shields 600 armor. 1st shot deals 156 damage to Shields. DIRECT shot to the chest. 2nd shot deals 44 damage to shields, and 140 damage to armor. Direct again. 3rd Shot deals 260 armor damage. Direct again. Target is still alive with 200 armor left. Reload. 4th shot (Direct) Finally kills target. If he had regen going, he might even survive the fourth shot (I only killed him by 60 hp. A good rep hive could save him during reload. Do you see the problem here? Not to mention that a ADV ScP with no prof outperforms a Proto Flaylock with full proficiency against ideal targets, but it also hits it's targets instantly and gets a 4x bonus to headshot damage. Flaylock has a delayed fire and only 1.4x damage to headshots, along with requiring more TTK. It needs a rebalance, and Damage is the only way to fix both it's TTK and it's underperformance. I expect a decent, well thought out reply when I get back from my chem class. Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 784	Posted - 2014.01.22 19:49:00 - [8349] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: btw, you guys feel up to some more scout rage? How about in the official EQ feedback thread. Let em know how you feel about a 800HP, gek wielding, CLOAKED logi. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 The Standard Cloak alone takes up more than 1/3 of my PG on my Prototype Logi. With alot of grinding to maximise the fit. They can only hide from a few scanners for 30s and once they shoot they are a sitting duck. Sure you could troll some objectives but not really efficient use of a suit. This is what we will get if anyone with an equipment slot can use a cloak. Its meant to be difficult no impossible. What you are saying is basically equivalent to saying, "Cloaks (or at least the basic cloak) isnt really that useful, because it 'only' lasts 30 seconds, and once they shoot they are a sitting duck" There's at least two things off in that attitude: 1. in dust, 30 seconds is a long time 2. with 800hp, they're not much of a "duck", and more of a mobile small blaster turret A good player should be able to take out any TWO opponents with it, by walking up beside them in cloak to flank them, rather than having to go some insane loong way around, then lining up headshot fire before decloaking. Or contrariwise, replace my example gek, with a SHOTGUN. Decloak behind them; BAM,BAM, 1st one is down. 2nd one notices, stsarts to turn around and react.. but so what, the 800 tank will let the logi survive while he lines up some SG blasts on the other one. Get the idea now? Especially if he's up against medium suits, so he wont even show up to them, even when he drops cloak. So, he'll know "something" happened, but if the logi is behind him, he'll be flailing wildly. So, might be able to take out 3 or 4 this way. Only scouts should be able to pull off that sort of thing. not logis. Worst case, they should be fitting-gimped so hard, they would have to have equivalent HP to an ADV scout. The fitting penalty is not currently sufficient for cloaks. PS: "FUD" is a term used to describe tactics of vague handwaving. ("Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt") I used hard numbers, so it doesnt apply. Cloaks should be SCOUT-ONLY
Master Smurf Nos Nothi 31	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:05:00 - [8350] - Quote You are spreading fear and uncertainty about a setup you claim to be a beastly fit. That Amarr setup is slow and has one weapon and nothing else going for it. A scout with stamina and kincats that can sprint and get under way more scanners and can do infinitely more in 30 seconds. Come on now Quill "Shine bright like a diamond"

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12492	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:16:00 - [8351] - Quote Grief PK wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Keeriam Miray wrote: Nyra Volki wrote: Pro scout suit gives the pro cloak 83 CPU an 18 PG so we can fit it on our suits no problem. gk.0 in 1.8 - 429/96 HOLY **** THAT'S MORE THAN MY LOGI Good thing we're getting that equipment CPU/PG reduction, I'd rather have that than the 5 hp/s anyway. Bonus on Logis does not apply for cloaks. @IWS - My opinion is if its a choice between having a cloak and loosing a grenade or EQP slot ... Leave the cloak out of the game. Give me two equip slots on each suit w/ states released last week and release. The cloak is something that devs think is a 'fix' for scouts, and its not. Its a novelty item but my equip and grenade slots actually matter. @Grief PK Relevance? Attention Span? Where you been? Question boggles the mind for the formulation of the statement. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
mollerz Minja Scouts 2082	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:19:00 - [8352] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: I used hard numbers, so it doesnt apply. I am sorry. I don't see any hard numbers save that you mentioned 30s is supposedly a long time in dust and something about a fabled 800EHP tank to serve as a general example of your numberless scenario. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 452	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:31:00 - [8353] - Quote I love the new Gk.0, makes me wish my PS3 isn't broken :(
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 784	Posted - 2014.01.22 20:44:00 - [8354] - Quote mollerz wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: I used hard numbers, so it doesnt apply. I am sorry. I don't see any hard numbers save that you mentioned 30s is supposedly a long time in dust and something about a fabled 800EHP tank to serve as a general example of your numberless scenario. what the hell? "fabled"? "numberless"?? I gave THE COMPLETE FITTING LAYOUT. Go read the damn post I referenced, before bitching about it. For your lazy convenience: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 Cloaks should be SCOUT-ONLY
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 2093	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:06:00 - [8355] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Django Quik wrote: True Adamance wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Django Quik wrote: I know I've not commented on most of the discussion so far but how would people feel about Amarr scouts getting a natural ammo repletion on laser weapons for their skill? Nothing too drastic but maybe like 1% total ammo every 10 seconds per level. At proto level you'd get 5% per 10 seconds, which would fully replenish a fully depleted weapon in 200 seconds or 3 minutes 20 seconds. Of course these are just example numbers and open to change. This would fit with the whole relentless Amarr lore stuff perfectly and is very much a combat focused skill, which goes well with them being a very aggressive race. Wow, yeah, that sounds like my favorite one so far. Yes.....and given that EVE side laser tech has not ammunition values and is essentially limitless..... However I strikes me as and oddity, not a bad bonus by any means, just odd. True, it's a bit outside the box and possibly hard to implement but could be cool - would have to entirely replace the stamina bonus though I reckon. No dice then. Stamina bonus is by far the best fitting and only worth while bonus left to the Amarr on this one. I already dropped my argument down from Complex Cardiac Regulator. I will not drop it from less than ADV regulator. Actually, I see no reason why this could not be combined with the current stamina bonus - I don't think that would really be overpowered. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 249	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:26:00 - [8356] - Quote Master Smurf wrote: @Patrick - I am agreeing with you. That was for Quill who seems to be trying some FUD in that thread. He's got skills. " No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz " yes, yes you can! when 1.8 deploys..." ~ Kahn Zo
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1537	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:29:00 - [8357] - Quote ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter KRRROOOOOOM
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 4157	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:30:00 - [8358] - Quote So I've been trying a Militia Scout fit with a Shotgun, and I could use some tips on tactics for Scouts (flanking, picking your target, etc. etc.). I'll take any advice, because this is so fun but I suck at it SO MUCH. Winner of at least 9 King ThunderBolt hate videos :D
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 4112	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:33:00 - [8359] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter I ever tell you how amazingly sexy you are in that scout suit? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 4 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1537	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:35:00 - [8360] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Llast 326 wrote: ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter I ever tell you how amazingly sexy you are in that scout suit? Not often enough KRRROOOOOOM

Marad''er Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 522	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:37:00 - [8361] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter Awesome :D GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| pâÅpéñpâápü»tºüpü«µëôµÆâpéÆF¦ápüúpüªpüäpéï \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 2199	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:46:00 - [8362] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So I've been trying a Militia Scout fit with a Shotgun, and I could use some tips on tactics for Scouts (flanking, picking your target, etc. etc.). I'll take any advice, because this is so fun but I suck at it SO MUCH. Why don't you just squad up with me for the event today? I'll be on in like 10 minutes. Just got back from my Chem class. Dear god. 4 hours of chemistry today. 3 hour lab, 1 hour lecture I need to unwind Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face. Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12496	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:55:00 - [8363] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter TY for reminding me there is a problem with the newsletter system. (and the 100 free shotguns; cheers!) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1540	Posted - 2014.01.22 21:58:00 - [8364] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Llast 326 wrote: ScoutsGÇª Want free shotguns? Incase your email did not work for the newsletter TY for reminding me there is a problem with the newsletter system. (and the 100 free shotguns; cheers!) Yeah it's been glitchy for some in the past, so I always throw it in here. Also beta login bonus fatsuitsGÇª but we are to fit in here to mention those Omni soldiers may be interested though. KRRROOOOOOM
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8241	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:02:00 - [8365] - Quote The cloak's CPU/PG requirements actually being massive and making the cloak become a serious investment makes me happy. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3132	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:06:00 - [8366] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The cloak's CPU/PG requirements actually being massive and making the cloak become a serious investment makes me happy. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NOOBS?! ... Seriously though I love that you have to invest quite a bit of SP into the role before you can even get into cloaking. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8242	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:17:00 - [8367] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The cloak's CPU/PG requirements actually being massive and making the cloak become a serious investment makes me happy. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE NOOBS?! ... Seriously though I love that you have to invest quite a bit of SP into the role before you can even get into cloaking. TBH I dislike how noobs will be unable to use what's probably going to be a defining feature of a class, although it does provide some barrier to it becoming FotM immediately. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
KING CHECKMATE Ametat Security Amarr Empire 3918	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:20:00 - [8368] - Quote mollerz wrote: So far, Amarr scouts are good at walls of text and ceaseless QQ. That stamina buff sure is working! <..< GIVE ME A RESPEC CCP.
voidfaction Void of Faction 99	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:26:00 - [8369] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: mollerz wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: I used hard numbers, so it doesnt apply. I am sorry. I don't see any hard numbers save that you mentioned 30s is supposedly a long time in dust and something about a fabled 800EHP tank to serve as a general example of your numberless scenario. what the hell? "fabled"? "numberless"?? I gave THE COMPLETE FITTING LAYOUT. Go read the damn post I referenced, before bitching about it. For your lazy convenience: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 Have you seen what you can get with a brick tanked Ishukone cloaked gallente scout? If your worried about a logi using cloak then you have not.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 8244	Posted - 2014.01.22 22:27:00 - [8370] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: mollerz wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: I used hard numbers, so it doesnt apply. I am sorry. I don't see any hard numbers save that you mentioned 30s is supposedly a long time in dust and something about a fabled 800EHP tank to serve as a general example of your numberless scenario. what the hell? "fabled"? "numberless"?? I gave THE COMPLETE FITTING LAYOUT. Go read the damn post I referenced, before bitching about it. For your lazy convenience: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1753101#post1753101 Have you seen what you can get with a brick tanked Ishukone cloaked gallente scout? If your worried about a logi using cloak then you have not. Scouts are going to be very, very powerful next build. Not going to judge whether they're overly so until it happens, though. Level 8 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution



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