[quote=Qn1f3]I'm personally leaning toward an "admit all / kick on first offense" policy.
Not at all concerned about spies. Let them come and discover how deep our roots run.

Open for suggestions as always ... this is Community Property ... what do you guys think?

The higher base stamina and stamina regen close the gap a fair bit, by the way. 25% bonus is larger with a larger base number, after all.
What if the bonus was higher?

But I don't think it's particularly worth complaining about. None of the racial scout bonuses are exactly earth-shatteringly good.

I suggest that Quil be exempted from the "kick on first offense" because we know it is bound to happen.

Second, is there a way we can have a section of Nos Nothi for a wiki scout registry? This way we could just make one post per member, and it would be up to each member to update the post with whatever stats they want to post or not post. I didn't see any section that this may apply to, but I may have missed it.

Third, if its not too late, I am in favor of naming IWS an official scout, or barring that instead of a Friend of the Registry, would could acknowledge him as our official omni soldier ambassador or something.

You keep saying that our stamina bonus is better than we think, but that doesn't change the fact that it is less than the value of a standard cardiac regulator while all the other scouts are getting the equivalent of a complex mod and then an extra bonus on top of it.

Given the magnitude of order observed in our lawless past, I see zero need for creating new laws.

You'll definitely want to play that merc for at least a few matches, so you won't be restricted on Forum activity. Other than that, I can't think of any reason to have rules or restrictions. I'm currently playing my meme to build up a little SP ... need more levels in Corporation. Only have room for a few more at the moment; will likely need room for more :-)

As for Admission Requirements ...

If you're on the old Killboard, you're in. No questions asked.
Each of you will be made a "Personnel Director" so you can approve applicants.
But how do we deal with newcomers and potentially bloated ranks from tourism?

I'm personally leaning toward an "admit all / kick on first offense" policy.
Not at all concerned about spies. Let them come and discover how deep our roots run.

Open for suggestions as always ... this is Community Property ... what do you guys think?

Edit:
Perhaps it's the ending "i" or the syllable count, but when I see our name I think "Dothraki" or "Githyanki".
^ Nerd, Proficiency V

I said it once Aero, the stamina bonus is good, and you should have something else, but it should not bring the suit to OP, I know you don't want that either. The thing is with a number of the other people pushing for changes are not seeing the potential this suit has, many of them seem not to have run scout before, and many seem to not understand what the changes they propose would actually do.
For example: A bonus to Scrambler Pistols dmg is not the same as a bonus to NK dmgGǪ I run both. (though i think a fitting bonus might work well)

And i am only teasing about the whining. I think you know I have advocated for the Amarr to get better balance in FW, parity in suits and many other things despite not playing Amarr myself. The HP potential of an Amarr scout is pretty high, and even without tanking them out they look to have a much higher survival rate than any other scout. It is not a bad suit, but the way some people have been talking you would think it was worse than the current Min Scout.

Question
Don't know if this has ever been suggested, I know falling damage has been a point of discussion on the boards before.

Would it be a good idea (maybe already suggested) to apply stamina to falling damage before shield/or armour damage? not suggesting this as a scout only option either, but as an overall mechanic.
This would make scouts a bit more resilient in a fall (and give the Amarr less to whine about). Feedback and thoughts would be appreciated before I through this out as a Feedback/Request

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I've heard you say it on at least two separate occasions. And Llast, are you aware that a compex cardiac regulator is a 100% increase in stamina and stamina regen? I'm not saying "more stamina is stupid," which it seems like you're suggesting. All I'm saying is that our bonus isn't even as good as a complex module. Let me explain this to you simply

Amarr Bonus: 25% more stamina and 25% more stamina regen
Standard Cardiac Regulator: 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina regen

Gallente Bonus: 25% profile dampening (and 25% scan range)
Complex Profile dampener: 25% profile dampening

Caldari Bonus: 25% scan precision (and 25% scan range)
Complex Precision Enhancer: 20% precision

Minmatar Bonus: 25% hacking speed (and 25% NK damage)
Complex Codebreaker: 25% hacking speed

As you can see, every other race is getting a primary bonus that is the same or better than a complex module, and then a secondary bonus as well. Meanwhile, the Amarr only get a bonus that is not even as good as a standard module. Do you honestly think that is right?

A complex cardiac regulator is 100% more stamina and 100% more stamina regen, so the Amarr racial bonus needs to get buffed to 20% per level and then they still need to add in a secondary bonus. Or, you can keep the Amarr bonus at 5% per level and make that the secondary bonus, then give the Amarr a primary bonus that is equal value as some complex module (perhaps a complex kin cat?)


And oh, Amarr only has 40 more HP than a Gal or Cal scout, and sacrifices that for speed (which is far more important to a scout), so I'm not too sure about that higher survivability. I mean, the Minmatar Assault is faster than an Amarr scout.

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I'm sorry, but you don't think 800 stamina would be broken? It was possible before they fixed the glitch and you could basically run forever.

I agree that it is disappointing, but 20 percent per level would be nuts.

I'm sorry, but you don't think 800 stamina would be broken? It was possible before they fixed the glitch and you could basically run forever.

I agree that it is disappointing, but 20 percent per level would be nuts.

I've heard you say it on at least two separate occasions. And Llast, are you aware that a compex cardiac regulator is a 100% increase in stamina and stamina regen? I'm not saying "more stamina is stupid," which it seems like you're suggesting. All I'm saying is that our bonus isn't even as good as a complex module. Let me explain this to you simply

Amarr Bonus: 25% more stamina and 25% more stamina regen
Standard Cardiac Regulator: 25% more stamina and 50% more stamina regen

Gallente Bonus: 25% profile dampening (and 25% scan range)
Complex Profile dampener: 25% profile dampening

Caldari Bonus: 25% scan precision (and 25% scan range)
Complex Precision Enhancer: 20% precision

Minmatar Bonus: 25% hacking speed (and 25% NK damage)
Complex Codebreaker: 25% hacking speed

As you can see, every other race is getting a primary bonus that is the same or better than a complex module, and then a secondary bonus as well. Meanwhile, the Amarr only get a bonus that is not even as good as a standard module. Do you honestly think that is right?

A complex cardiac regulator is 100% more stamina and 100% more stamina regen, so the Amarr racial bonus needs to get buffed to 20% per level and then they still need to add in a secondary bonus. Or, you can keep the Amarr bonus at 5% per level and make that the secondary bonus, then give the Amarr a primary bonus that is equal value as some complex module (perhaps a complex kin cat?)


And oh, Amarr only has 40 more HP than a Gal or Cal scout, and sacrifices that for speed (which is far more important to a scout), so I'm not too sure about that higher survivability. I mean, the Minmatar Assault is faster than an Amarr scout.

Then another equivalent bonus is required by the Amarr suit to bolster and determined its role of the battlefield as frankly speaking with the current stat of it, all it has is the capacity to run slightly longer than its counter parts who can equally hide better, passive scan better, and hack better.

Perhaps then, and don't get me wrong I am not trying to upset anybody, a rebalancing of Nova Knives is required making standard Nova Knife damage higher, rewarding the risk of using them, but the charge time to use the Main Double Strike higher.

In that sense the Amarr could then use a more efficient energy generation/ conservation technology in their suits charging the blades 25% faster.

Thats not a bad idea :) +1 to this

IMO Nova Knives don't make sense to me for the Amarr. No doubt they are a cool concept and one that makes sense for small suits to carry......but the Amarr aren't a practically minded people. Form is function to us, on the battlefield we might pass over simple and compact designs in favour of something more symbolic....

I see no reason that we should have 4 racial Nova Knife variants....if they are to all be essentially the same.....

If Nova weapons were to be a thing....and I don't like suggesting this, could not the Nova Knives, weapons, spears whathave you have different damage and charge modules per racial group. Now if the Amarr naturally had a slightly higher range on their strikes but a longer change time on their knives.......such a charge bonus would not be amiss unbalanced, or depriving another weapon of its intended role would it?

No, i don't think so, but for now, since we don't have anything other than nova knives, the original nova knife bonus you suggested would be good, but if not, scram pistols are a good idea. I also saw another one i liked, about drop uplink cloaking per level, so at level 5, they would only be detectable by proto focused scanners, and thus have to be hunted manually. I really like this idea. Imagine assaulting an objective, with enemies coming from all over the place, but you have no idea how to stop the flow, as its impossible to find the spawn points, leaving the objective eventually overrun by a tide of blues, with the amarr collecting +25's by the bucket load

What I hate most about this is it may appear like I am only advocating so strongly for a better Amarr racial bonus because I favor the Amarr, but that is not the case at all. This bonus is simply not on par with the rest, and I'd be doing the same thing regardless of which race was getting gimped.

Yeah that's not bad....

Thing is and the Amarr players of this forum have been dealing with this for a long time..... we don't want bonuses that are neceassarily the most efficient or the "BEST"....we just want bonuses that fit the racial combat inclinations of the Amarr....which so far CCP has not well defined since in and FPS we cannot have resistance modules.

Perhaps then, and don't get me wrong I am not trying to upset anybody, a rebalancing of Nova Knives is required making standard Nova Knife damage higher, rewarding the risk of using them, but the charge time to use the Main Double Strike higher.

In that sense the Amarr could then use a more efficient energy generation/ conservation technology in their suits charging the blades 25% faster.

Aero, I can see where you are coming from here, and honestly i do not think that you are pushing this as favouring the Amarr. Please understand that I am not arguing against you, and I hope you understand that I am not against balancing the Amarr scout. The thing is having the ability to but two complex Card Regs on a suit without a stacking penalty will not be good for balance. As I have said before it needs something else, what that is I don't know, but most of the suggestions I have seen are not likely to be balanced either. The confrontational attitude that many (not saying you, but you have verged on it before) take is not one that will produce good dialogue on the subject so I avoid it. Also don't imply that I am slow and need things put simply for me, this is very much not the case.

I apologize if my teasing caused offence, honestly I don't think of your posts as whining Aero (and actually was not even thinking of you in that way at all). You are actually someone that I have respect for, and I actually enjoy reading what you have to say.

What do you imagine the play-style of the Amarr Scout to be?

Gal and Amarr make good Lightning Bruisers

Minmatar a Glass Cannon

And Caldari the Anti-Scout and Sniper