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Oswald Rehnquist
931
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:32:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:@ Ghost Thanks for moving the cloak "debate" to its own thread. Cinnamon Toast w/Mayonnaise. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130096@ Quil Your idea was met with resistance here among Brothers. In Ghost's thread, you assert that it "would also leave most scouts quite happy, since using sidearms as primary weapon is quite common ...". In the future, I'd humbly request that you take a poll (at minimum) prior to positing on behalf of the majority. Thank you.
Its not that it was met with disagreement, it was the fact that there was no decorum in the discussion. I can disagree with the light weapon idea without calling it a dumb/stupid idea, which is why the discussion went south. Hence I popped in to organize the pro side as to focus it back on the merits or lack of them not because I agreed with it but that it didn't exactly get a fair shot. Name calling also doesn't fly either but I see that flew under the radar of acceptable actions, and we shouldn't have to do a poll just to share an opinion (even if its wrong/unpopular) on how something could function, that's some pretty crazy 1984 stuff right there.
I think a perfect example was when we were discussing the scouts shared squad vision with Sponk, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125329 While it is not required but if you give people the time to flesh it out they usually give out there reasons and the same for any opposition, I like to point that when some consideration was given, he went into more detail on the critiques against him and it ended pretty amicably, at the end of that discussion both of us were just giving each other +1's despite the fact that we disagreed with each other.
In short I don't understand why my political forums that I frequent have more decorum, patience, and thoroughness than a game forum where people are just talking about trivial matters.
Below 28 dB
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1391
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:41:00 -
[5432] - Quote
sometimes **** decorum.
shrug.
#shittycoding
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
539
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:43:00 -
[5433] - Quote
Oswald, you were the only one on his side and you were arguing "for" on principle.
For him to go in another thread and say Scouts would be fine with it when the premiere thread for scouts didnt like the idea or didnt even want the discussion until there is something concrete is extremely disingenuous.
And political forums are all have decorum (because it is something you have to be familiar with in that realm) until you touch a subject near and dear and it goes to hell. No need to be holier than thou, especially when it is a videogame - lol |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
1392
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:50:00 -
[5434] - Quote
I never even looked at that thread. And it's a shame he is doing that.
oh well.
#shittycoding
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
6427
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Posted - 2013.12.18 21:53:00 -
[5435] - Quote
Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks.
Level 6 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Cass Caul
545
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Posted - 2013.12.18 22:46:00 -
[5436] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks.
I'm starting to get tired of DUST. It's just too boring. Even using the most interesting builds I can find, PC is the only real entertainment I have. That game mode is waning. Maybe FW will be competitive? Nope. Random green dot: "Hey squad lead, what are the orders? the plan or tactics?" Me: "Um, plan? ah, you know, just kill stuff and take points." He said this as if you needed some sort of cohesion to win a match. I hear Caldari and Amarr as suffering loses, but those Fed Specialists weapons are a godsend. Full damage and full ammo with fitting less than the Duvolle Specialist. They let me fit all 9 slots with proto gear. I have played for Caldari a few times, enough for some State Kaalakiota Rail Rifles, State Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle, State Ishukone Specailist Sniper Rifle, and a couple of State Gunnlogis. But squading up with 2 of my corpmates made it an easy win.
The paltry enjoyment I get out of it is using the Cal-Ass with RR against State Protectorate and Gal-Ass with AR against Federal Defense Union.
Pub matches? ehhh. no one is playing those. I haven't seen a full battle in 2 days. They are tank spam, but Ambush is still Ambush where the goal is to spawn-trap the other team. It went from being OK in early Uprising to going right back to Chromosome style plowing. Skirmish is dead, while tanks win matches. Domination... **** that game mode entirely
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Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:49:00 -
[5437] - Quote
Cass Caul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks. I'm starting to get tired of DUST. It's just too boring.
This might help, or might not.
Create a new account. Try to main something that you never use.
I have a Heavy alt that I use. And a Plasma Cannon one.
I'm having a blast running Minmatar Assault on the side.
Then when I go back to knives, it's the whole thing over again!
Then again, I am easily amused.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.19 00:53:00 -
[5438] - Quote
Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Scout Registry wrote:@ Ghost Thanks for moving the cloak "debate" to its own thread. Cinnamon Toast w/Mayonnaise. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=130096@ Quil Your idea was met with resistance here among Brothers. In Ghost's thread, you assert that it "would also leave most scouts quite happy, since using sidearms as primary weapon is quite common ...". In the future, I'd humbly request that you take a poll (at minimum) prior to positing on behalf of the majority. Thank you. Its not that it was met with disagreement, it was the fact that there was no decorum in the discussion. I can disagree with the light weapon idea without calling it a dumb/stupid idea, which is why the discussion went south. Hence I popped in to organize the pro side as to focus it back on the merits or lack of them not because I agreed with it but that it didn't exactly get a fair shot. Name calling also doesn't fly either but I see that flew under the radar of acceptable actions, and we shouldn't have to do a poll just to share an opinion (even if its wrong/unpopular) on how something could function, that's some pretty crazy 1984 stuff right there. I think a perfect example was when we were discussing the scouts shared squad vision with Sponk, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=125329While it is not required but if you give people the time to flesh it out they usually give out there reasons and the same for any opposition, I like to point that when some consideration was given, he went into more detail on the critiques against him and it ended pretty amicably, at the end of that discussion both of us were just giving each other +1's despite the fact that we disagreed with each other. In short I don't understand why my political forums that I frequent have more decorum, patience, and thoroughness than a game forum where people are just talking about trivial matters.
I just thought the discussion was getting out of hand. So we put it elsewhere. I see no problem with that.
I also agree that we shouldn't have a huge discussion until more information comes out..
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1394
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:05:00 -
[5439] - Quote
Out of hand!? lolz.
Anyways, If you look over the 200+ pages of this thread along you see a scarred windy road to the present full of bugs we've endured, what went wrong after patches, theory craft, debates, good times, bad times, words of wisdom, comfort, and encouragement. You have all kinds of personalities in here which has all brewed into a bad ass stew pot of a community
So all of a sudden, now we are going to start making this a cleansed polite only speak of pleasantries, and everyone else stfu?
I guess this thread is officially closed.
pfft.
#shittycoding
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Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:13:00 -
[5440] - Quote
mollerz wrote:Out of hand!? lolz.
Anyways, If you look over the 200+ pages of this thread along you see a scarred windy road to the present full of bugs we've endured, what went wrong after patches, theory craft, debates, good times, bad times, words of wisdom, comfort, and encouragement. You have all kinds of personalities in here which has all brewed into a bad ass stew pot of a community
So all of a sudden, now we are going to start making this a cleansed polite only speak of pleasantries, and everyone else stfu?
I guess this thread is officially closed.
pfft.
Not that. I am okay with discussions, but I could feel the debate getting very personal and spiteful. Not sure about you guys, but I don't want stuff like that here.
If we are going to debate something, do it right, and don't get twisted out of shape or super irritated that someone doesn't agree with you.
Teasing and Butting heads is encouraged, but you should never let it get out of hand.
At least that's what I think.
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Cass Caul
546
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:15:00 -
[5441] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks. I'm starting to get tired of DUST. It's just too boring. This might help, or might not. Create a new account. Try to main something that you never use. I have a Heavy alt that I use. And a Plasma Cannon one. I'm having a blast running Minmatar Assault on the side. Then when I go back to knives, it's the whole thing over again! Then again, I am easily amused.
You do realize that I have 7 accounts, with 2 characters on each of them, so that I can main every suit, right?
Appia Vibbia, Phantasmal Priestess, Macha Vyvyans, Adisa Aegir, NiTian ErXing, Alder King, Cass Caul are all one in the same. Those are the ones that accumulate passive SP.
Appia has Assault ak.0, Scout gk.0. Logi gk.0, and Logi C/1-series and enough neo cal logi suits salvaged from PC to last a lifetime. Not to mention that I have every other non-Minmatar role suits at lvl 1. Plus Sniper Rifle, Swarms, SMG, flaylock and scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle, and shotgun all at proto. While the AR and CR I have not put points into, every other weapon is at lvl 3- and new FW means no aur to use proto weapons
Priestess is my MinLogi, started as scout, Uprising made her a MinScout, Optional Respec made her a logi. proto AR
NiTian ErXing is my Min-Assault with Combat Rifle
Macha is my Heavy/Sentinel with HMG and Forge Gun.
I've been doing that for about 2 months
EDIT: formatted
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Ghost Kaisar
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
1237
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:16:00 -
[5442] - Quote
Cass Caul wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks. I'm starting to get tired of DUST. It's just too boring. This might help, or might not. Create a new account. Try to main something that you never use. I have a Heavy alt that I use. And a Plasma Cannon one. I'm having a blast running Minmatar Assault on the side. Then when I go back to knives, it's the whole thing over again! Then again, I am easily amused. You do realize that I have 7 accounts, with 2 characters on each of them, so that I can main every suit, right? Appia Vibbia, Phantasmal Priestess, Macha Vyvyans, Adisa Aegir, NiTian ErXing, Alder King, Cass Caul are all one in the same. Those are the ones that accumulate passive SP. Appia has Assault ak.0, Scout gk.0. Logi gk.0, and Logi C/1-series and enough neo cal logi suits salvaged from PC to last a lifetime. Not to mention that I have every other non-Minmatar role suits at lvl 1. Plus Sniper Rifle, Swarms, SMG, flaylock and scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle, and shotgun all at proto. While the R and R I have not put points into, every other weapon is at lvl 3- and new FW means no aur to use proto weapons Priestess is my MinLogi, started as scout, Uprising made her a MinScout, Optional Respec made her a logi. proto AR NiTian ErXing is my Min-Assault with Combat Rifle Macha is my Heavy/Sentinel with HMG and Forge Gun. I've been doing that for about2 months
HOLY HELL
Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
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Scout Registry
112
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:36:00 -
[5443] - Quote
@ CCP HMG hurts now! Sounds nasty too! Well done! Tank Spam is problem. Do you intend to fix it? |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
899
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:40:00 -
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I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves I say we just kill them all
KRRROOOOOOM
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Scout Registry
112
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:41:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves I say we just kill them all I have Proto Swarms and Nades.
Any solution involving more tanks only adds to the spam problem. The responsibility for fixing Tank Spam falls squarely on CCP's shoulders.
If tanks must remain as is, they would do well to consider a price increase. Alternatively, CCP could reverse nerfs on AV or set a limit to Tanks / Match. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
899
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:42:00 -
[5446] - Quote
Scout Registry wrote:Llast 326 wrote:I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves I say we just kill them all I have Proto Swarms and Nades. I only have RE and sidearms
KRRROOOOOOM
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
846
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:45:00 -
[5447] - Quote
Scout Registry wrote:Llast 326 wrote:I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves I say we just kill them all I have Proto Swarms and Nades.
Proto nades, RE's and stealth has helped me bust a few tanks. |
Cass Caul
548
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Posted - 2013.12.19 01:46:00 -
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I'm in the process of saving up 2,487,360SP. Remnant's mentioning of a cloaking device has gotten my hopes up again. I expect it to mirror EVE's cloaking skill and have a x8 multiplier. 190200SP per week active, 168000SP per week from passive, 6000SP for daily log-in makes SP accumulation 400200 means it'll take me 6 full weeks and get it on the seventh week's Wednesday. Or since I have a ton of 3-day boosters it'll take 5 full weeks to accumulate it.
BTW, in Chromosome I was only running a scout suit with a sniper rifle (prof 3), scrambler pistol (prof 3), and shotgun (proto). I had that much SP accumulated in anticipation for a cloaking device. That's how much I wanted a cloaking device, enough to have the SP saved for it when it was still a concept and not announced. The only reason I spent that SP was because they said we'd get a full respec when Upising came out. . . Now I'll just have to do it again, hoping it comes out in 2.0
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2203
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:08:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives.
They may die a lot but hey are also great killers.
I fail to see why they are considered underpowered.
What are you saying needs to be buffed on them? Look at how many steps backward this game has taken...
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Cass Caul
548
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:11:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:hooc roht wrote:Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives.
They may die a lot but hey are also great killers.
I fail to see why they are considered underpowered.
What are you saying needs to be buffed on them? Look at how many steps backward this game has taken...
Where was this quoted from?
lol, no one is afraid of a scout. even scouts aren't afraid of other scouts.
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Scout Registry
113
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:25:00 -
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^ I remember that! Somewhere in the first few pages of the thread. Pretty sure I ignored him. In early Uprising, everyone agreed that Scouts were in a bad place. Everyone except for this guy, who seems to have thought we were still playing Chrome. :-) |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
900
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:34:00 -
[5452] - Quote
Matticus Monk wrote:Scout Registry wrote:Llast 326 wrote:I think we have to fix tank spam ourselves I say we just kill them all I have Proto Swarms and Nades. Proto nades, RE's and stealth has helped me bust a few tanks. Going to run some tests if i get on tonight. Then i am going an a HAV Hunt
KRRROOOOOOM
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2206
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:52:00 -
[5453] - Quote
Cass Caul wrote:Patrick57 wrote:hooc roht wrote:Everyone fears a scout in CQC. Either with a shot gun or nova knives.
They may die a lot but hey are also great killers.
I fail to see why they are considered underpowered.
What are you saying needs to be buffed on them? Look at how many steps backward this game has taken... Where was this quoted from? lol, no one is afraid of a scout. even scouts aren't afraid of other scouts. First page of this thread
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
901
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Posted - 2013.12.19 02:53:00 -
[5454] - Quote
KRRROOOOOOM
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pseudosnipre
403
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:13:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Cass Caul wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Starting to get really tired of dust atm. Every match is tank spam, tank spam, tank spam. It's always decided by who has the most tanks. I'm starting to get tired of DUST. It's just too boring. This might help, or might not. Create a new account. Try to main something that you never use. I have a Heavy alt that I use. And a Plasma Cannon one. I'm having a blast running Minmatar Assault on the side. Then when I go back to knives, it's the whole thing over again! Then again, I am easily amused. You do realize that I have 7 accounts, with 2 characters on each of them, so that I can main every suit, right? Appia Vibbia, Phantasmal Priestess, Macha Vyvyans, Adisa Aegir, NiTian ErXing, Alder King, Cass Caul are all one in the same. Those are the ones that accumulate passive SP. Appia has Assault ak.0, Scout gk.0. Logi gk.0, and Logi C/1-series and enough neo cal logi suits salvaged from PC to last a lifetime. Not to mention that I have every other non-Minmatar role suits at lvl 1. Plus Sniper Rifle, Swarms, SMG, flaylock and scrambler pistol, scrambler rifle, and shotgun all at proto. Whmoo ile the R and R I have not put points into, every other weapon is at lvl 3- and new FW means no aur to use proto weapons Priestess is my MinLogi, started as scout, Uprising made her a MinScout, Optional Respec made her a logi. proto AR NiTian ErXing is my Min-Assault with Combat Rifle Macha is my Heavy/Sentinel with HMG and Forge Gun. I've been doing that for about2 months HOLY HELL Not much time left for women...
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
574
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:25:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:
@ Quil Your idea was met with resistance here among Brothers. In Ghost's thread, you assert that it "would also leave most scouts quite happy, since using sidearms as primary weapon is quite common ...". In the future, I'd humbly request that you take a poll (at minimum) prior to positing on behalf of the majority. Thank you.
Good point.
For the record, I based my statement on the impression I have, that "most scouts" use one or more of (pistols, knives, SMG) on a regular basis Yes, obviously there are shotgun users ;) but "they" tend to be quite happy with SMG on the whole as well. You'd only be stuck without shotgun when you wanted cloak. ANd I know you like pistol almost as well ;D
mollerz dodged the question, so I dont expect a reasonable answer from him. But I'd be curious if you or other scouts were asked by CCP, "would you rather have cloak stuck in EQ slot, or light weapon slot" (and those were the ONLY choices, no finesse of any kind), which you would prefer.
I'd be interested in seeing this as a proper poll. Thing is, I'm not sure the best way to run it. Putting it in the general forum would probably get flooded by annoying medium-suiter spam.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
901
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:32:00 -
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I'll make it work no matter which slot it takes. It's not my plan to run cloak exclusively, it will with a purpose. I can adapt to whatever needs to be done. As long as we can fit it with some reasonability then I am happy.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
800
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:34:00 -
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Proto Forge Proto Swarms ADV AV nades Remotes STD Plasma Cannon
Who needs a tank destroyed?
Parody Dust 514 Lyrics
Vote for Delt
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Cass Caul
552
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:48:00 -
[5459] - Quote
Mossellia Delt wrote:Proto Forge Proto Swarms ADV AV nades Remotes STD Plasma Cannon
Who needs a tank destroyed?
you, clearly.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
903
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Posted - 2013.12.19 03:56:00 -
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How does the Plasma Canon fair against Vehicles?
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