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Morathi III
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.03 11:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I am still working on getting the hugs in on the next patch.
I know heavies are a close second on the hurting list but scouts need it the most. Excellent! But im Quebecois and every politician said to be elected "i will cut your taxes"... Never happen I want to trust you so what is your idea of the "hug" you want for us? If you come to CCP without an idea and just say we need a hug... I though CCP dev will do nothing So please enlight us with your idea of this "hug" Mr the politician |
Morathi III
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:07:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:A little on the hyperbole Ghost. Scouts do have a role. And they do both better than other frames. Ninja-Hacking: My gk.0 with 1 dampener, 3 codebreakers, and 1 uplink (gauged or flux) is far superior that the Min-Logi tring to duplicate it. 2 dampeners and 2 code-breakers mean it's a fraction of a second faster at hacking and can carry more equipment, but no stamina and no sidearm
City-Shotgun. I can't tell you the number of times I've killed Med-Frame shotgunners. They honestly can't compete. Amarr Assault excluded. that suit magics its way though balance.
Oh. Wait. Right. You wasted SP on Minmatar suits. Yeah, I was wrong, that wasn't hyperbole at all.
Gal Scout 5, Gal Logi 5, Cal Logi 3, Amarr Assault 3, and Gal Assault and Cal Assault and Amarr Logi 1 and enough AUR gear salvaged to let me use Logi ck.0 and Assault ak.0 for the next month, 7 proto weapons and the rest at ADV to mix and match with. Every proto module available except shield rechargers and shield regulators Biomass or Communications outposts will always have me running that Scout suit. Orbital Artilery and Gal laG facility are toss ups though
The Gallente Scout isn't useless. It is the best Ninja Hacker suit- way better than Min Logi. It is also the best Shotgun suit. So in your theory gallente> everything? Easy to answer since gallente are french origin |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2504
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Posted - 2013.12.03 13:49:00 -
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Thanks for shootin' straight with us, IWS. We appreciate the update.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2504
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Posted - 2013.12.03 14:06:00 -
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Things I'll still be looking for in 1.7 Patch Notes:
* Nerfed Med Frame strafe and back-pedal speed. * Nerfed Logi movement and sprint speed. * Introduced weapon-sway mechanic. * Slowed aim-down-sights. * Opened hip-fire reticule on ARs, ScRs and aScRs. * Added recoil / down-range dispersion to SMGs, ARs, ScRs, and aScRs. * Fixed HMG lack of dispersion; buffed range. * Buffed Shotgun range; buffed damage dropoff. * Fixed Framerate drops on interior maps (i.e. Gal Research). * Fixed "Spin Scanning". |
IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
377
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:30:00 -
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Shotty, I dont think any weapons need more dispersion (cept HMG), more recoil yes, dispersion no. If I shoot in a specific place thats where I want my bullets going, worst thing ever is random bullet spread and a skill that reduces it. Honestly, no guns even have recoil in this game, you can finish an entire clip and your gun doesnt really move up.
Dispersion makes the game more luck based than skill based.
I am alright with more dispersion while hipfire on AR/ScR but not on SMG. SMG is already a close range weapon and you shouldn't need to ADS to get the cone of fire accurate enough to kill someone in its killbox. They are already such a CQC weapon, which in itself requires most people to hipfire. Outside 20m (ADS range) its only doing 30% damage.
I also think it might be a good idea to nerf the movement penalty applied to armor plates, or make it stack more harshly. That could fix the movement speed issues. Especially with med frames. Perhaps make it stack differently depending on suit (light/med/heavy) with the -% being applied more heavily on larger frames. Perhaps remove the % and put in an absolute number...that could fix them. Cause a % of a scouts movement speed is >> than a % of a med frame.
Agree on spin scan, the radial output of the scanner is useless when people can do a 360. HAHA do you remember when we used to think you had to keep it "on target" for it to be accurate. Back before all these fancy red lights showing us it worked.
PHI Recruitment
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
483
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:52:00 -
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@ Cass - how fast can you hack compared to a min logi with one or two complex codebreakers?
#notroll
Also we know the objectives reveal everyone so why bother with the dampener? add speed or stamina
On Scout love - if we get it in Jan or even Februrary I am fine; resigned myself to the fact of accepting the suit as is and then once the improvements come its clear sailing. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
483
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Posted - 2013.12.03 15:57:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Things I'll still be looking for in 1.7 Patch Notes: * Nerfed Med Frame strafe and back-pedal speed. * Nerfed Logi movement and sprint speed. - better to take slots * Introduced weapon-sway mechanic. * Slowed aim-down-sights. * Opened hip-fire reticule on ARs, ScRs and aScRs. * Added recoil / down-range dispersion to SMGs, ARs and aScRs. * Applied CQC limitations to Rail Rifle and Combat Rifles. - wait and see * Fixed HMG lack of dispersion; buffed range. * Buffed Shotgun range ; buffed damage dropoff. * Fixed Framerate drops on interior maps (i.e. Gal Research). * Fixed "Spin Scanning" .
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3421
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Posted - 2013.12.03 16:15:00 -
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Wish CCP would've told this, like a month ago.
Instead of getting poor IWS to do their dirty work one week before the patch.
Forum Prison Escapee
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Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
445
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:32:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote: A Dev, pretty sure it was Wolfman said that the scout buff would come out a patch or two after the vehicle rebalance... we just thought vehicle rebalance was going to be 1.4
And do note, that the statement could be read multiple ways. The most believable way, would be "after vehicle rebalance is COMPLETED".
1.7, is the *start* of vehicle rebalance. They've already said this. They're leveling stuff or whatever, before deciding what the final vehicle/AV balance is going to be. So, figure another release or two, to "fine tune".
Thus... expect scout buffs, somewhere around 2.0
If something more important doesnt come up, that is.
Make that "2.x"
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:38:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:@ Cass - how fast can you hack compared to a min logi with one or two complex codebreakers?
#notroll
Also we know the objectives reveal everyone so why bother with the dampener? add speed or stamina
On Scout love - if we get it in Jan or even Februrary I am fine; resigned myself to the fact of accepting the suit as is and then once the improvements come its clear sailing.
Hacking a null cannon takes 10 seconds. Systems Hacking V reduces that by 25%, each Complex Code-breaker also reduces by 25% but is subject to stacking penalties. Standard 3 complex code-breakers is: 10*0.75*0.5033= 3.77 seconds***
Min Logi with 2 complex code-breakers is: 10*0.75*0.75*0.587= 3.3 seconds***
The tactical part comes in with the dampening. You aren't hiding from the Installation's perfect scanner, you are hiding from players' Active Scanners.
You wait till someone scans, drop uplinks, and then rush the point. Because people are so heavily reliant on those active scanners, they usually aren't close enough to stop a hack in under 4 seconds. Then while they try to counter-hack, your team comes in on your uplinks. You don't want to throw down uplinks then get scanned, because people start getting paranoid and looking for a dampened suit or they just destroy your links
This is PC level team tactics. You won't see that happening in pubs. Stealth be damned! I can just walk up to point in pub matches, hack it in 8 seconds and defend it solo for the rest of the match.
*** The rounding of values in this game are... unclear. Most people are convinced that fractions of seconds for reduced hacking time result in being rounded up. So 3.77 and 3.3 actually both become 4 seconds.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:47:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:So in your theory Gallente> everything? Easy to answer since Gallente are French origin
IKR! Gallente>Amarr&Caldari>Minmatar
That was the reason I picked Gallente as my Race way back in '06, my 18th century French Lineage. Blasters and Drone boats are awesome, but Rail-Guns used to be sweet. Much like the Sniper Rifles of this game, each build has them being less and less effective. Minmatar ships and the DUST equivalent- dropsuits- are walking scrap heaps. They have some interesting base stats, but fully kitted out they can't compare. Never liked the Amarr aesthetic in EVE, but love it in DUST. Shield tanking never interested me. I'd rather treat it like a free buffer between my opponent and myself than focus on it. Gallente is superior in EWAR too. They make the best tacklers.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1881
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:54:00 -
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Appia always hating on the Minmatar.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
246
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Posted - 2013.12.03 17:59:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Appia always hating on the Minmatar.
Cause we be sexy space pirates
My view on knives..... I DON'T KNOW WHAT IM DOING @_@
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Cass Caul
409
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:03:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Appia always hating on the Minmatar.
Not really. They just are seriously unbalanced.
One of my other characters, Phantasmal Priestess, is a 10M SP Min Logi. I'vesaid it on this board before, May 6th I put all her points into Min Scout and I just hated it. Hated it. So on the 16th I used the optional respec and I went for the Hacking Bonus... Only to findthat the things I didn't like about Min Scout were still the exact same things I hate about Min Logi
Doesn't stop me from wrecking face though, but 4 Triage Nanohives giving you 180 reps/sec usually do that. Came in first on the killboard at the end of a PC with her yesterday
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2643
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:05:00 -
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No isk in FW: broke Sinboto
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1881
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:06:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Appia always hating on the Minmatar. Not really. They just are seriously unbalanced. One of my other characters, Phantasmal Priestess, is a 10M SP Min Logi. I'vesaid it on this board before, May 6th I put all her points into Min Scout and I just hated it. Hated it. So on the 16th I used the optional respec and I went for the Hacking Bonus... Only to findthat the things I didn't like about Min Scout were still the exact same things I hate about Min Logi Doesn't stop me from wrecking face though, but 4 Triage Nanohives giving you 180 reps/sec usually do that. Came in first on the killboard at the end of a PC with her yesterday
Yeah you get wrecked in no time flat in a Minnie and fitting options are limited. Not exactly a great suit admittedly. A lot of it's problems come from shield tanking being almost entirely worthless.
The assault isn't much better in terms of survivability.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Morathi III
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:21:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:No isk in FW: broke Sinboto When i look at the quality of the clothes you wield ( suit ) i doubt you have more than 5 isks in your pocket |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2280
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:28:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote: SMGs will always be cool, that Boundless Breach baby! Seening more TT-3 and Viziams... actually, I didn't even know the TT-3 existed until this thread started talking about them. as far as I was concerned the only pistols were basic, TY-5, IA5, Viziam, Carthum, and Wolfman's
More Scouts have seen the light and have stopped carrying Active Scanners. IMO, that 6 meters really made a difference. It still motherfucking needs to be 25 meters again, but it was a good start.
flako is an LAV Scout. I've only squad'ed with him once or twice and I've run into a handful of times, but I've seen him out of his LLAV maybe a grand total of 30 seconds.
Cool, Cool. Some progress I guess. (LOL at LLAV. Real men require gunners and functional turrets, not seven layers of Invincibility)
{} Are..... People still pissed at mass drivers? Heavies still UP/Easy Killing? AR514? Lastly can anyone fill me in on what the Condors are up to?
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
948
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:30:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Cass Caul wrote: SMGs will always be cool, that Boundless Breach baby! Seening more TT-3 and Viziams... actually, I didn't even know the TT-3 existed until this thread started talking about them. as far as I was concerned the only pistols were basic, TY-5, IA5, Viziam, Carthum, and Wolfman's
More Scouts have seen the light and have stopped carrying Active Scanners. IMO, that 6 meters really made a difference. It still motherfucking needs to be 25 meters again, but it was a good start.
flako is an LAV Scout. I've only squad'ed with him once or twice and I've run into a handful of times, but I've seen him out of his LLAV maybe a grand total of 30 seconds.
Cool, Cool. Some progress I guess. (LOL at LLAV. Real men require gunners and functional turrets, not seven layers of Invincibility) {} Are..... People still pissed at mass drivers? Heavies still UP/Easy Killing? AR514? Lastly can anyone fill me in on what the Condors are up to?
The mass driver spam is less noticable nowadays.
I can solo heavies
AR514 is hell
I have no clue...
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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noob cavman
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:31:00 -
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Im a very aggressive shotgunner.... fw 1.7 is gonna be painful
My view on knives..... I DON'T KNOW WHAT IM DOING @_@
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
649
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:36:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:No isk in FW: broke Sinboto Not looking fords to going back into pubs to make my iskGǪ it's different in there though 1.8 should have the player marketGǪ I banked a lot of isk to weather this out, don't know if it's enough to run exclusive FW though
I shot a man in Black Rise onceGǪ Just to watch him die
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
763
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:44:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Not looking fords to going back into pubs to make my iskGǪ it's different in there though 1.8 should have the player marketGǪ I banked a lot of isk to weather this out, don't know if it's enough to run exclusive FW though
We also don't know how much LP the stuff in the store will cost. It could be possible to use a (mostly) FW gear fit while still having a net LP gain.
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
2510
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Posted - 2013.12.03 18:57:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote: {} Are..... People still pissed at mass drivers? Heavies still UP/Easy Killing? AR514? Lastly can anyone fill me in on what the Condors are up to?
1) Not really. Everyone's running Scrambler and Assault Rifles. 2) Yep. Except for the one's running ScRs and ARs. 3) Easier, harder-hitting and more prolific then ever before. Disgusting. 4) I've seen IX online asking for squad, but I haven't seen any coordinated DS maneuvers.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
650
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:00:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Not looking fords to going back into pubs to make my iskGǪ it's different in there though 1.8 should have the player marketGǪ I banked a lot of isk to weather this out, don't know if it's enough to run exclusive FW though We also don't know how much LP the stuff in the store will cost. It could be possible to use a (mostly) FW gear fit while still having a net LP gain. Good point. but they cost ISK and LP 219 items in the LP shop are not likely to fill every bodies suit requirements though, especially running one or two factions.
I shot a man in Black Rise onceGǪ Just to watch him die
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
786
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:01:00 -
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It looks like stuff in the LP store will be require both ISK and LP to purchase, so for sure I'll probably be playing a lot of pub matches to make sure I don't start bleeding ISK from FW combat and loyalty store purchases. Overall though, I'm looking forward to the FW changes.
I need to find a good FW gallente channel, anyone know of one? I got the Minmatar one already and it seems pretty well populated so I'm happy with it.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
763
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:08:00 -
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@Llast 326 & Matticus
Ah. I had forgotten it requires ISK as well.
I guess my stockpiled 80 mil isk will come in handy if I start FW.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
650
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:10:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:@Llast 326 & Matticus
Ah. I had forgotten it requires ISK as well.
I guess my stockpiled 80 mil isk will come in handy if I start FW. With lower fitting cost gear in the LP store I think it would benefit most scouts to get their hands on some of this stuff.
I shot a man in Black Rise onceGǪ Just to watch him die
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Oswald Rehnquist
766
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:20:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:**Important** Factional Warfare Trading Fortunately Scouts have a half way decent community, so I can image we can probably do trading a lot easier and a lot fairer than the rest of the community LP Store Items + Specialist Lower fitting Cost ItemsEssentially we can get our scout fix on the basis of trading accordingly, I am hoping there is an amarr scout for pistols and a min scout for the sidearms damage (which I don't have skill into yet) CaldariOswald Rehnquist Shakti Ishii GallenteMatticus Monk Niuvo MinmatarLlast 326 Cyrius Li-Moody Ghost Kaisar AmarrKing Checkmate Edit: and I don't even use Knives
Just throwing this back up
Below 28 dB
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2654
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:43:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:**Important** Factional Warfare Trading Fortunately Scouts have a half way decent community, so I can image we can probably do trading a lot easier and a lot fairer than the rest of the community LP Store Items + Specialist Lower fitting Cost ItemsEssentially we can get our scout fix on the basis of trading accordingly, I am hoping there is an amarr scout for pistols and a min scout for the sidearms damage (which I don't have skill into yet) CaldariOswald Rehnquist Shakti Ishii GallenteMatticus Monk Niuvo MinmatarLlast 326 Cyrius Li-Moody Ghost Kaisar AmarrKing Checkmate Edit: and I don't even use Knives Just throwing this back up Why am I not on Minmatar.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
653
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Posted - 2013.12.03 19:55:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:**Important** Factional Warfare Trading Fortunately Scouts have a half way decent community, so I can image we can probably do trading a lot easier and a lot fairer than the rest of the community LP Store Items + Specialist Lower fitting Cost ItemsEssentially we can get our scout fix on the basis of trading accordingly, I am hoping there is an amarr scout for pistols and a min scout for the sidearms damage (which I don't have skill into yet) CaldariOswald Rehnquist Shakti Ishii GallenteMatticus Monk Niuvo MinmatarLlast 326 Cyrius Li-Moody Ghost Kaisar AmarrKing Checkmate Edit: and I don't even use Knives Just throwing this back up Why am I not on Minmatar.
How in **** did that get missed
I shot a man in Black Rise onceGǪ Just to watch him die
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