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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.05.11 23:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Haerr wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I just stabbed Aeon Amadi.  Tell your scout buddies to stop trying to stick presents on my tank, dag nab it! I mean they come off easily enough with a flux or two but that adhesive, man, it leaves sticky spots for days!  Ugh yeah I know the feels bro. So there I was murdering dozens of people and like all good mercenaries I wanted a bit of R&R after the fight. So there I am cruising and this leggy Jin-Mei, an absolute bombshell in this amazingly short dress, walks up. So I pop the main crew compartment and am like "What up baby?" I said, swivelling my turret. "That the latest iteration of the Madrugar Gk.0 fitted with an 80Gj Ion Cannon, and retrofitted with 20Gj Railguns?" She replied licking her lips with an undisguised desire. "It's anything you want it to be baby. Hop on in and we'll go to 'da club'" She's about to jump right into the turret gunners position, and damn I have to tell you I appreciate a woman who can handle a 20Gj Railgun, but stops just short with this disgusted look on her face. She's just stuck her hand in residual Remote Explosive Adhesive. She just gives me this look that says "Scrubs can't get not love from me" and walks off into the night to hook up with that douchey Caldari nobody likes. GODDAMN YOU SCOUTS! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
So much innuendoGǪ Where is OEK 
MOAR Ladders
SpadeGǪ Remember your Warbarge
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
6236
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:06:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:I hear you Arkena, I just want you to consider something, though. Right now they make the most $$$ because of the way the system works, as described in previous post. If we switched this over to a strictly keep what you kill system, they would go from making the most to making the least faster than the time it takes to miss twice with a breach shotgun! Add to this that their suits costs the most (due to equipment) and they are extremely squishy (more often than not they die to core locus grenades not even aimed at them).
So while it would be fun and rewarding to keep what you kill, it will benefit slayers considerably more than anyone else. (anyone else including, people focused on uplinks, logis with reps, dropships with gunners, people who focus on keeping scans up, etc). I don't want the game to focus any more on "the kill" then it already does. I am already seeing people forego hacking just to kill more people.
Not disagreeing with you, just want to add food for thought.
I always assumed "Keep what you Kill" really meant "Your Team Keeps what it Kills".
Like....value of stuff destroyed is put in a pool that is then divided between everyone on the team, so Logis would not screwed due to low kill counts.
"That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032
Dust514 // Podcast & Blog
www.biomassed.net
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sir RAVEN WING
3566
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: that douchey Caldari nobody likes.
Well she sure enjoyed my Nova Knife expertise.
Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9606
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:28:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Kaeru Nayiri wrote:I hear you Arkena, I just want you to consider something, though. Right now they make the most $$$ because of the way the system works, as described in previous post. If we switched this over to a strictly keep what you kill system, they would go from making the most to making the least faster than the time it takes to miss twice with a breach shotgun! Add to this that their suits costs the most (due to equipment) and they are extremely squishy (more often than not they die to core locus grenades not even aimed at them).
So while it would be fun and rewarding to keep what you kill, it will benefit slayers considerably more than anyone else. (anyone else including, people focused on uplinks, logis with reps, dropships with gunners, people who focus on keeping scans up, etc). I don't want the game to focus any more on "the kill" then it already does. I am already seeing people forego hacking just to kill more people.
Not disagreeing with you, just want to add food for thought. I always assumed "Keep what you Kill" really meant "Your Team Keeps what it Kills". Like....value of stuff destroyed is put in a pool that is then divided between everyone on the team, so Logis would not screwed due to low kill counts.
Hmmm ... I wouldn't mind "keep what you kill" as "keep what you kill". My GalLogi is killing just fine while keeping up scans, and I imagine AM and CA Logis can do the same. I can definitely see repper Logis being at a disadvantage, but aren't these the ones who are topping the WP leaderboards? They'd gain less salvage, but they'd still be pulling in the biggest EOM paychecks.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Weary Guy
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:37:00 -
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JUPA SACH wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:JUPA SACH wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Hey Dreis, reading your blog inspired me to start knifing. So i made an amarr scout knife fit XD... not bad http://m.imgur.com/Z5jxTl4  ... guessing at loadout: HS: 1 Cmp Precision, 1 Cmp Shield LS: 1 Cmp Damp, 1 Cmp KinCat, 2 Cmp Ferro PW: CRD-9 SW: IshNoks GR: Adv Flux EQ: Adv Cloak, Compact Hive How close? PS: That's really impressive. Close... well not to much really XD The fit is: Boundless CR Ishukone KN 1 Enh Shield 1 Cplx Shield 2 Cplx Damps 1 Cplx Kin Cat 1 Cplx Reactive Arn cloak Nanohive XD Flux Nade
no, scrub
why you stack armor on a min scout?
Lost all respect for you now....not even a real knifer
whenever we have a knife duel ima gun you down SCRUB
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sir RAVEN WING
3566
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:42:00 -
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@Weary
Just use your damn knives and shut up. You'll slice through him like hot butter regardless of armour.
Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9992
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Posted - 2015.05.12 00:59:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Haerr wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I just stabbed Aeon Amadi. Tell your scout buddies to stop trying to stick presents on my tank, dag nab it! I mean they come off easily enough with a flux or two but that adhesive, man, it leaves sticky spots for days! Ugh yeah I know the feels bro. So there I was murdering dozens of people and like all good mercenaries I wanted a bit of R&R after the fight. So there I am cruising and this leggy Jin-Mei, an absolute bombshell in this amazingly short dress, walks up. So I pop the main crew compartment and am like "What up baby?" I said, swivelling my turret. "That the latest iteration of the Madrugar Gk.0 fitted with an 80Gj Ion Cannon, and retrofitted with 20Gj Railguns?" She replied licking her lips with an undisguised desire. "It's anything you want it to be baby. Hop on in and we'll go to 'da club'" She's about to jump right into the turret gunners position, and damn I have to tell you I appreciate a woman who can handle a 20Gj Railgun, but stops just short with this disgusted look on her face. She's just stuck her hand in residual Remote Explosive Adhesive. She just gives me this look that says "Scrubs can't get not love from me" and walks off into the night to hook up with that douchey Caldari nobody likes. GODDAMN YOU SCOUTS! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL! So much innuendoGǪ Where is OEK
Too busy stalking True's tank and smearing RE residue all over it.
Then I have to hire a hooker to pretend to be interested only to conveniently put her hand in the residue and turn him down.
You think it was coincidence this happened just so?
Psychological warfare is hard work!
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18947
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:21:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
Too busy stalking True's tank and smearing RE residue all over it.
Then I have to hire a hooker to pretend to be interested only to conveniently put her hand in the residue and turn him down.
You think it was coincidence this happened just so?
Psychological warfare is hard work!
Probably a good thing though. Jamyl doesn't like me sleeping with anyone but her.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1540
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:39:00 -
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Devs have Ben pretty quiet lately. Maybe there will be a hot fix in the next couple of weeks..
Sometimes I find hotfixes better than major releases.
Overlord of Broman
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18949
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:40:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Devs have Ben
Oh god no. What do they want for him?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
2930
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:42:00 -
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Finally looked at all the assets XD
Suits:
Balac Ck.0 : 2
Storm Raiders : 2
Archdukes : 2
Primary:
Agimus mass driver : 5
Alex hmg : 2
Alldins forge : 15
Balac AR : 45
Darth Scrambler : 5
Gatsun Forge : 68
Gatsun Hmg : 53
Ghalags RR : 9
Kalante AR : 9
Krins AR : 36
Luis Combat Rifle : 2
Symbs Fork : 13
Thales : 256
Viktors Laser : 5
Secondary:
Balac SMG : 5
Alex smg : 11
Calas SMG : 49
Ghalags Bolt pistol : 15
Kubo Ion Pistol : 8
Kubo Scram Pistol : 16
Nanaki Magsec : 11
Solar Flaylock : 8
Posted them up down below for when this gets put a few pages back.
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
TheYoutube
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9606
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Posted - 2015.05.12 01:51:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:
Thales : 256
Kodho is paying well for these.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18954
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:10:00 -
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RAVEN YO ASS BETTER BE IN THE METAGAME THREAD BRUV! OR I'LL SHANK YA M8!
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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sir RAVEN WING
3566
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:RAVEN YO ASS BETTER BE IN THE METAGAME THREAD BRUV! OR I'LL SHANK YA M8!
TRUE, YOU KNOW ME, I'LL BE THERE.
BRING THE LUBE REMOTE RESIDUE.
Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
1142
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:23:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Devs have Ben Oh god no. What do they want for him?
We should form a rescue party.
Know what cannot be known.
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
1142
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:28:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
Too busy stalking True's tank and smearing RE residue all over it.
Then I have to hire a hooker to pretend to be interested only to conveniently put her hand in the residue and turn him down.
You think it was coincidence this happened just so?
Psychological warfare is hard work!
.... So that's what you bastards have been mixing to make the new redjar.
Elders damnit all.. *spits*
Know what cannot be known.
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Weary Guy
26
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:
Thales : 256
Kodho is paying well for these.
i'll buy symbs for 1 ISK each....i treat them like assault rifles in pub matches (they are so terrible)
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9994
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Posted - 2015.05.12 02:33:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:One Eyed King wrote:
Too busy stalking True's tank and smearing RE residue all over it.
Then I have to hire a hooker to pretend to be interested only to conveniently put her hand in the residue and turn him down.
You think it was coincidence this happened just so?
Psychological warfare is hard work!
.... So that's what you bastards have been mixing to make the new redjar. Elders damnit all.. *spits*
I have also been using some of Monk's old clones.
I call it Soylent Monk.
He would have wanted it that way.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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sir RAVEN WING
3567
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Posted - 2015.05.12 03:01:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:
Thales : 256
Kodho is paying well for these. i'll buy symbs for 1 ISK each....i treat them like assault rifles in pub matches (they are so terrible)
They are actually a good weapon.
You just happen to be a terrible player.
Day 6/30 Calscout Knifer/Last of A Kind/Sneaky
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
11056
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Posted - 2015.05.12 03:45:00 -
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Finished my Calc Based Physics II Final. Feel pretty good about it. Glad that I finished all the math I need for my Bachelors now.
Got my Organic Chem I final tomorrow morning. Feeling pretty prepared.
Haven't studied a bit for my English final, because that class is a joke.
Ready for this semester to be over, and to go back to working at that electroplating lab.
Also: Reddit is down right now. I don't know what to do in the 30 minutes before I go to sleep :/
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:08:00 -
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In other news...
I finally got around to testing the BPO Krin Lex-71 damage mod.
turns out.. the devs lied, but the numbers do not.
It really IS only "sidearm" modifier.
and, the mod does not even apply to knives.
Ugghh.
The one upside is that there seems to be no stacking penalty.
So, 3 stacked Krins, gives me 88 damage -- 10% -- on a scrambly pistol that usually does 80.
Other than that.. meh. |
VAHZZ
2013
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:39:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:In other news...
I finally got around to testing the BPO Krin Lex-71 damage mod.
turns out.. the devs lied, but the numbers do not.
It really IS only "sidearm" modifier.
and, the mod does not even apply to knives.
Ugghh.
The one upside is that there seems to be no stacking penalty.
So, 3 stacked Krins, gives me 88 damage -- 10% -- on a scrambly pistol that usually does 80.
Other than that.. meh.
Seriously? I have been stacking Krin's this entire time. This sucks. Well, I guess i can dual tank now.
"I bring nothing; I bless nothing, I save nothing, I just; erase. Completely. Shatter."
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Weary Guy
27
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:49:00 -
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sir RAVEN WING wrote:Weary Guy wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:
Thales : 256
Kodho is paying well for these. i'll buy symbs for 1 ISK each....i treat them like assault rifles in pub matches (they are so terrible) They are actually a good weapon. You just happen to be a terrible player.
actually they do 1 damage less than a thales when charge shot hits
you have only killed 6000 people compared to my 130,000, you suck. Your lifetime KD lmfao GIT GUD
know your weapons scrub
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18958
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Posted - 2015.05.12 04:55:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:
you have only killed 6000 people compared to my 130,000, you suck.
Freakin' nerd.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Weary Guy
27
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Weary Guy wrote:
you have only killed 6000 people compared to my 130,000, you suck.
Freakin' nerd.
i dont need a job, and have a lot of free time 
no i don't live with my parents
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dzizur
Nos Nothi
290
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:29:00 -
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Weary Guy wrote:True Adamance wrote:Weary Guy wrote:
you have only killed 6000 people compared to my 130,000, you suck.
Freakin' nerd. i dont need a life, and have a lot of free time no i don't live with my parents
FTFY
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Weary Guy
28
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Posted - 2015.05.12 05:45:00 -
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dzizur wrote:Weary Guy wrote:True Adamance wrote:Weary Guy wrote:
you have only killed 6000 people compared to my 130,000, you suck.
Freakin' nerd. i dont need a life, and have a lot of free time no i don't live with my parents Im a jealous poor working-class boy
FTFY
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23989
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Posted - 2015.05.12 06:20:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Pub salvage would be only for salvage weapons, i.e. officer.
Also pulling out random WP numbers like that is completely pointless for this. How do you know those classes would be performing as such? Sounds to me like you dont have an actual system; you just want to wave your hands around and have someone else do the actual work of designing it. If you have a REAL PROPOSAL, then it should work with ANY RESULTS. Standard testing of theories and programs; pick edge cases to test to see if your algorithm still works properly. The example I gave is a perfectly possible outcome. So, let's see it, if you have an actual viable algorithm. To go along with your adendum, I'll add in that out of the 20 total kills, there were 3 enemies with officer gear. so, please cover ISk distribution, non-officer salvage, and officer salvage.
The hell?
It would work perfectly fine for it. It should be completely bleeding obvious that the pay distribution is similar to what it is now, except the commando gets 10% of the value of his kills to offset his losses.
I am pointing out that pulling numbers out of your ass for specific classes, the only purpose for which would be to argue over class earning potentials, is pointless because basing that on fabricated stats is mad.
If you really didn't understand what I was saying earlier, then I suppose you want an exact calculation of how much ISK each player got?
Your vaunted 'algorithm testing' requires a full set of information, which you did not provide.
What you are demanding requires the following information:
- The total value of items destroyed in the match
- Exact information and a formula on how ISK is distributed in the normal system, which we only roughly have
- Exact information on how much each of the commando's 20 kills were worth, including the value of the 2 HAVs (whether they were proto, adv, or standard)
- Information on whether the team won or lost
None of that information was given in your scenario and no player has the formula for calculating ISK payouts. How the hell do you expect me to calculate that?
I suppose your main objection is that the slayers will get larger payouts, though.
Guess what? That's intentional. I suppose that upsets you if you see yourself as a support player, but I really don't give a damn - support classes typically earn far more WP (unless you're terrible, I suppose) and as a result have far higher earning potentials under the current system. And actually this system would benefit them anyway because support players often have cause to kill.
A system in which your kills are valued brings slayer earning potential up to a level that is similar to other classes while also incentivising hunting high value targets and bonusing AV hunters. Under such a system it would be genuinely worth fighting a protostomp because for each suit you whack, you get a noticeable pay increase.
Adipem Nothi wrote:My thinking was to keep the current pay structure intact + every unit drops what they die in (excluding BPO). Whoever gets the kill picks up the salvage. See in a guy running a Thales in the killfeed? Pull out a Sniper Rifle, hunt him down and make his Thales your own. Twisted
Indeed, slayers would be rewarded more salvage than non-slayers, but non-slayers still make the same Isk they make now. In my mind, increasing payouts via salvage would make for more entertaining gameplay than simply increasing Isk payouts. Plus, such a system wouldn't flood the market with Isk, as buyback rates are far lower than market rates (even with the sexbot Lol).
Am I overlooking any issues?
The problem I have with 100% salvage rates is that you then end up with no net loss in the game.
Think about how many items you destroy in a match. It's a lot. If you pick up every single one, you're going to end up with a hell of a lot of items very quickly. Even with low buyback, you're not going to have much ISK leaving the game, so the ISK just goes up and up. Even if you don't get the exact suits you want just from salvage, there are a lot of common modules that everyone tends to use.
And the number of officer items permanently increases that way.
100% salvage is too high, basically.
Also, the most exciting part about actual salvage items is that it gives you the chance to pick up experimental or officer gear when you kill it, isn't it? Not the random militia range amps that you pick up off bads. Rather than clutter the EoM screen with that, then, why not have a highish salvage rate on the valuable stuff (50% or so) and just have the a % ISK cut of the non-valuable stuff?
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1542
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Posted - 2015.05.12 06:25:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:In other news...
I finally got around to testing the BPO Krin Lex-71 damage mod.
turns out.. the devs lied, but the numbers do not.
It really IS only "sidearm" modifier.
and, the mod does not even apply to knives.
Ugghh.
The one upside is that there seems to be no stacking penalty.
So, 3 stacked Krins, gives me 88 damage -- 10% -- on a scrambly pistol that usually does 80.
Other than that.. meh. Seriously? I have been stacking Krin's this entire time. This sucks. Well, I guess i can dual tank now.
WTF.... Urg so annoying. Just removed one from my fit.
Overlord of Broman
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Haerr
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
2897
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Posted - 2015.05.12 11:15:00 -
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