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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:40:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/k4aKFNo.jpg
old standard knives were the best way to knife
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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JUPA SACH
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2015.05.11 16:50:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:JUPA SACH wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Hey Dreis, reading your blog inspired me to start knifing. So i made an amarr scout knife fit XD... not bad http://m.imgur.com/Z5jxTl4  ... guessing at loadout: HS: 1 Cmp Precision, 1 Cmp Shield LS: 1 Cmp Damp, 1 Cmp KinCat, 2 Cmp Ferro PW: CRD-9 SW: IshNoks GR: Adv Flux EQ: Adv Cloak, Compact Hive How close?  PS: That's really impressive.
Close... well not to much really XD
The fit is:
Boundless CR
Ishukone KN
1 Enh Shield
1 Cplx Shield
2 Cplx Damps
1 Cplx Kin Cat
1 Cplx Reactive
Arn cloak
Nanohive XD
Flux Nade
Karma
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:19:00 -
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kincats are god
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.05.11 17:24:00 -
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Well that thread killed some dead time at work for me today. XD
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:05:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
myofibs were fixed
Absollom Clone (sp?) of Dead Man's Game nailed me three times today in his ck.0 jumping stupid high and raining mass driver rounds on me. Fair enough he had to run proto but it was still pretty silly. Hopefully it is only a viable style against ppl like me (read: I've not figured out a counter yet, it might simply involve running away) in pubs but it seemed there was nothing my calscout shotty could do. Myofibrils are fixed, but that doesn't mean you can't still rain indiscriminate justice from above. It just means you can't stack more than 3 blues.
That's what I thought they wanted to fix. When they say jump on top of one of those large crates, what crates are they talking about? Coz this guy must've been in the air for three seconds at a time. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:06:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Well that thread killed some dead time at work for me today. XD
Did I miss a good one?
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:18:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Are you kids fighting again? I know I haven't been in here for a while but geeze...
These are dark times Pokey. They've mixed something strange into the new redjar since they ran out of the original stock. Don't get any on your clothes, trust me...
Know what cannot be known.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:19:00 -
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*throws mysterious red liquid all over Kaeru*
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:27:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Do I see a run at the CPM in the future? Probably, if they ever announce CPM2...
:: tweaks signature ::
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.05.11 18:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:*throws mysterious red liquid all over Kaeru*
I am sad now.
;_;
This stuff doesn't come out like it used to !! Damnit !!...
I really hope my SKIN comes out tomorrow, then I can hide this horrifying act D: !!
Know what cannot be known.
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:16:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Well that thread killed some dead time at work for me today. XD Did I miss a good one?
nah you saw it.
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
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Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:52:00 -
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@Adipem
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2769827#post2769827
Know what cannot be known.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 19:59:00 -
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I like it, Kaeru. I'd really like a keep-what-you-kill model, but I'm not sure how to work Logis into it.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Kaeru Nayiri
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:04:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:I like it, Kaeru. I'd really like a keep-what-you-kill model, but I'm not sure how to work Logis into it.
The model we have isn't that bad, nor is it that far off from keep what you kill.
From my understanding based on what was explained to me, it's SOMETHING along the lines of:
-All things destroyed in the match tallied up (BOTH teams included)
-2/3 of that becomes the "pot" for the winning team, the remaining 1/3 goes to the losing team.
-Then each team's pot is handed out based on scoreboard rank (which is based on warpoints).
This rewards Logis really well. The more their team destroys, the better $$$ they make. It also helps curb the QQ for people who lose a ton of isk without really getting much done, since the initial calculations count ALL things destroyed, not just what the ennemy team lost.
Edit: And thank you for adding your like to the idea! I hate to leave matches, and I never leave a match that I started from the beginning, no matter how bad it gets. However, if I enter a match already underway, especially if I am tasked with dropshipping, I would rather not bother. The penalty you take just for not being there at the beginning is too harsh.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:13:00 -
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I feel that adopting a 'keep what you kill' system isn't harsh on logis because logis are already by far the best off in terms of payout.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:21:00 -
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I hear you Arkena, I just want you to consider something, though. Right now they make the most $$$ because of the way the system works, as described in previous post. If we switched this over to a strictly keep what you kill system, they would go from making the most to making the least faster than the time it takes to miss twice with a breach shotgun! Add to this that their suits costs the most (due to equipment) and they are extremely squishy (more often than not they die to core locus grenades not even aimed at them).
So while it would be fun and rewarding to keep what you kill, it will benefit slayers considerably more than anyone else. (anyone else including, people focused on uplinks, logis with reps, dropships with gunners, people who focus on keeping scans up, etc). I don't want the game to focus any more on "the kill" then it already does. I am already seeing people forego hacking just to kill more people.
Not disagreeing with you, just want to add food for thought.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:39:00 -
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I don't advocate a "strictly keep what you kill" system, I advocate a "keep what you kill" system in addition to the present mechanics.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:41:00 -
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An interesting idea !
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:42:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Are you kids fighting again? I know I haven't been in here for a while but geeze...
* Uses One-Alm Punch.
Pokey's heart explodes.
FATALITY!
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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Spademan
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Posted - 2015.05.11 20:47:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote: faster than the time it takes to miss twice with a breach shotgun!
Due to how slowly it shoots that's actually quite a long time.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:14:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I don't advocate a "strictly keep what you kill" system, I advocate a "keep what you kill" system in addition to the present mechanics.
^ This!
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:20:00 -
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For clarification on what I mean, I mean that you have the normal ISK payout mechanic in place, but you also get a cut of the ISK value of what you personally destroy and a salvage chance for salvage-specific items.
For example, let's say the cut is 10%.
A logistics player scoring something like 3k WP will get a solid cut of the overall team payout.
A slayer killing, say, 10 ADV suits in a match, would receive 10% of the value of those suits. An ADV suit might cost somewhere in the region of 50k, so the final 10% bonus for killing 10 of them would be 50k.
This ends up as a nice increase to average payout, especially for the non-support classes that tend to score fewer warpoints but may still contribute significantly. It also incentivises proto/officer-hunting - if you whack a dozen protosuits in a match you could be looking at a 100k+ increase to your payout at the end, and if you put down, say, a Thale's sniper, you have a chance to snag their weapon.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:22:00 -
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Kaeru Nayiri wrote:
From my understanding based on what was explained to me, it's SOMETHING along the lines of:
-2/3 of that becomes the "pot" for the winning team, the remaining 1/3 goes to the losing team.
Close.
CCP Logibro wrote:
The pool is split 60/40 in favour of the winners so assuming you have the same WP you'll get more ISK by winning.
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:38:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I don't advocate a "strictly keep what you kill" system, I advocate a "keep what you kill" system in addition to the present mechanics.
Still benefits slayers more than any other class.
hypothetical match:
3v12
the 3-team is comprised of:
1. commando, with PLC and combat rifle only kils
2. a scout that does nothing but hack and drop uplinks
3. a logi that does nothing but rep and pick up.
The commando dies 10 times, and makes 20 kills, including 2 HAVs.
neither the logi nor the scout die once.
Commando: 1000WP
scout: 1200WP
logi: 1300WP
How are you proposing the loot gets divided?
Please mention both salvage and ISK.
edit: I see you posted a bit on the ISk side, but it wasnt clear to me whether scout and logi get any salvage. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.05.11 21:53:00 -
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Pub salvage would be only for salvage weapons, i.e. officer.
Also pulling out random WP numbers like that is completely pointless for this. How do you know those classes would be performing as such?
Arkena Wyrnspire aka "British Khorne" - Cross Atu
Gallente Guide
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:06:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Pub salvage would be only for salvage weapons, i.e. officer.
Also pulling out random WP numbers like that is completely pointless for this. How do you know those classes would be performing as such?
My thinking was to keep the current pay structure intact + every unit drops what they die in (excluding BPO). Whoever gets the kill picks up the salvage.
See in a guy running a Thales in the killfeed? Pull out your own Sniper Rifle, hunt him down and make his Thales your own. 
Indeed, slayers would be rewarded more salvage than non-slayers, but non-slayers still make the same Isk they make now. In my mind, increasing payouts via salvage would make more entertaining gameplay than simply increasing Isk payouts.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Pub salvage would be only for salvage weapons, i.e. officer.
Also pulling out random WP numbers like that is completely pointless for this. How do you know those classes would be performing as such?
Sounds to me like you dont have an actual system; you just want to wave your hands around and have someone else do the actual work of designing it.
If you have a REAL PROPOSAL, then it should work with ANY RESULTS.
Standard testing of theories and programs; pick edge cases to test to see if your algorithm still works properly.
The example I gave is a perfectly possible outcome.
So, let's see it, if you have an actual viable algorithm.
To go along with your adendum, I'll add in that out of the 20 total kills, there were 3 enemies with officer gear.
so, please cover ISk distribution, non-officer salvage, and officer salvage.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:22:00 -
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I just stabbed Aeon Amadi. 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
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Haerr
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:37:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I just stabbed Aeon Amadi.
Tell your scout buddies to stop trying to stick presents on my tank, dag nab it!
I mean they come off easily enough with a flux or two but that adhesive, man, it leaves sticky spots for days! 
GÖû HAERR'S GÖû
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.05.11 22:51:00 -
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Haerr wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:I just stabbed Aeon Amadi. Tell your scout buddies to stop trying to stick presents on my tank, dag nab it! I mean they come off easily enough with a flux or two but that adhesive, man, it leaves sticky spots for days!
Ugh yeah I know the feels bro.
So there I was murdering dozens of people and like all good mercenaries I wanted a bit of R&R after the fight. So there I am cruising and this leggy Jin-Mei, an absolute bombshell in this amazingly short dress, walks up. So I pop the main crew compartment and am like
"What up baby?" I said, swivelling my turret.
"That the latest iteration of the Madrugar Gk.0 fitted with an 80Gj Ion Cannon, and retrofitted with 20Gj Railguns?" She replied licking her lips with an undisguised desire.
"It's anything you want it to be baby. Hop on in and we'll go to 'da club'"
She's about to jump right into the turret gunners position, and damn I have to tell you I appreciate a woman who can handle a 20Gj Railgun, but stops just short with this disgusted look on her face.
She's just stuck her hand in residual Remote Explosive Adhesive. She just gives me this look that says "Scrubs can't get not love from me" and walks off into the night to hook up with that douchey Caldari nobody likes.
GODDAMN YOU SCOUTS! DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
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