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Llast 326
An Arkhos
302
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:51:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Just watched a trailer for titan fall, damn do I want scouts to move like that. Damn you Now I want those jumpacks I just wanna Minja run across walls and **** lol
Boost jump run along wall... boost jump at corner run along wall repeat until hit top of tower boost jump land cut snipers and Forgers up leap from tower inertial dampeners look like a badass  |
Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
541
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:07:00 -
[3272] - Quote
Dear CCP:
Please nerf scouts.
They run a lot. Not at me, or flanking me, but the other way. I find this unfair. I am trying to pad my KDR by running proto squads all day and these people are not making it easy for me. My suggestion: Nerf there speed. They don't need it anyways, right? I mean - how viable of a class do you think you are when your a white/grey figure running around easy to identify terrain with no HP and a CQC weapon?
The rest of us classes have enjoyed the fodder, and we ask you continue to follow your design model you've always had for them and continue to slowly degrade them as you improve the rest of the classes ability to fight.
Sincerely,
A concerned heavy.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
367
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:10:00 -
[3273] - Quote
Long Evity wrote: with no HP and a CQC weapon?
Can we try to get away from the idea that Scout=CQC?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
541
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:12:00 -
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Spademan wrote:Long Evity wrote: with no HP and a CQC weapon?
Can we try to get away from the idea that Scout=CQC?
So you think you stand on even grounds with med frames to handle med-long range battles fairly? At least in CQC you'd be maximizing your bonuses *speed* and cqc weapons tend to down enemies faster so your lack of HP isn't a huge problem, sometimes.
But if you're going into a gun fight - I'm not even sure if your hitbox is smaller - but your out matched in almost every way.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
367
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:52:00 -
[3275] - Quote
Long Evity wrote:Spademan wrote:Long Evity wrote: with no HP and a CQC weapon?
Can we try to get away from the idea that Scout=CQC? So you think you stand on even grounds with med frames to handle med-long range battles fairly? At least in CQC you'd be maximizing your bonuses *speed* and cqc weapons tend to down enemies faster so your lack of HP isn't a huge problem, sometimes. But if you're going into a gun fight - I'm not even sure if your hitbox is smaller - but your out matched in almost every way.
I focus more on my stealth.
Which is why I flank from a distance with the Charge Scrambler.
I try not to get close to the enemy, and if I do I go to the sides.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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hydraSlav's
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
315
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Posted - 2013.10.30 17:55:00 -
[3276] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:I've found the answer, I think. http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penaltiesand also presumably the actual game, applies a function that presumably is supposed to make things easier on the player. If you have modules of differing power, it applies the penalty to the "smaller" number. Unfortunately, this is NOT THE SAME THING AS LOWEST META LEVEL. In other words, for modules that have effects of +10%, +5%... it will apply penalty to "the smallest", ie: 5%. However, for modules that subtract... -20%, -15%.... that is "-0.20, -0.15" -0.20 is the "smaller number". So in this case, the more powerful module, gets penalized!!! Ugh.. The good news is, you can make the calculator above, give the "right" numbers, by preferencing values with '-'. So I've updated the wiki instructions. Summary: Putting in "20,15" into the wiki page calculator, gives incorrect values. Putting in "-20,-15" matches game behaviour
Just to clarify: the penalty is not applied to "smallest [least powerful] module" (this only works when you have only 2 modules). CCP also made a huge disservice to players by calling it "20% bonus" in a module that does reduction to your value.
Terminology (unofficial, but required to talk precisely):
A bonus = an affect bettering your attribute
- Increase - for modules where you want a bigger value for attribute
- Reduction - for modules where you want a smaller value for attribute
A penalty = an affect worsening your attribute
- Reduction - for modules where you want a bigger value for attribute
- Increase - for modules where you want a smaller value for attribute
A stacking penalty = a lessening affect applied to absolute value of a 'bonus' or 'penalty' percentage of the module (not the attribute, not the multiplier)
Important things to always remember:
1. Never think as percentages, these are multipliers
1a. An increase of 20% is 1 + 0.2 = 1.2 multiplier
1b. A reduction of 20% is 1 - 0.2 = 0.8 multiplier
1c. Multipliers are never negative
2. Stacking penalty is applied to the absolute value of bonus/penalty percentage, not the multiplier.
2a. A 20% with stacking penalty of 87% is (0.2 * 0.87) = 17.4%, regardless whether it's a bonus or penalty
2b. A 20% increase with stacking penalty of 87% is 1 + (0.2 * 0.87) = 1.174 multiplier
2c. A 20% reduction with stacking penalty of 87% is 1 - (0.2 * 0.87) = 0.826 multiplier
What happens is:
1. All modules are sorted numerically (by their multiplier) from highest to lowest.
2. Highest (numerically) multiplier gets a penalty of 1 (no penalty)
3. Next highest multiplier gets a penalty of ~0.87 (the 'first' 87% penalty)
4. Next highest multiplier gets a penalty of ~0.57 (the 'second' 57% penalty)
5. And so on for each other module with increasing stacking penalty)
So, for any multiplier that is >1 (i.e. increase bonus), the numerically highest [best] increase gets no penalty, whereas the smallest [ worst ] increase gets the highest stacking penalty (out of all applied stacking penalties). This way the player get the best bang for the buck by getting the most out of his best module.
But for any multiplier that is <1 (i.e. reduction bonus), the numerically highest [worst] reduction gets no penalty, whereas the smallest [ best ] reduction gets the highest stacking penalty (out of all applied stacking penalties). This is completely counter intuitive:
Less powerful module: -15% is 1 - 0.15 = 0.85 multiplier
More powerful module: -20% is 1 - 0.20 = 0.80 multiplier
0.85 > 0.80
This may feel "wrong", however it makes sense from development perspective as they are using the same calculation, regardless of logical meaning of "better/worse"
(Note i am not talking about 'module penalties', such as speed penalty of armor plates, but the math is exactly the same, only the meaning of 'best/worst' is reversed)
Quil Evrything, if you are maintaining that wiki calculator, you need to internally treat -20% (or GÇÿ-20GÇÖ entered) as 0.8 (or 1 - 0.2); and 20% (or '20' entered) as 1.2 ( or 1 + 0.2)
Once you have the percentage converted to multipliers, you can use same formulas for positive and negative percentages without any change under the hood
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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
311
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Posted - 2013.10.30 18:20:00 -
[3277] - Quote
Gaahh.. my post got messed up. lost all content. would delete it, but... no delete button :( |
Lightning Bolt2
From The Mist
303
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Posted - 2013.10.30 18:33:00 -
[3278] - Quote
Long Evity wrote:Dear CCP:
Please nerf scouts.
They run a lot. Not at me, or flanking me, but the other way. I find this unfair. I am trying to pad my KDR by running proto squads all day and these people are not making it easy for me. My suggestion: Nerf there speed. They don't need it anyways, right? I mean - how viable of a class do you think you are when your a white/grey figure running around easy to identify terrain with no HP and a CQC weapon?
The rest of us classes have enjoyed the fodder, and we ask you continue to follow your design model you've always had for them and continue to slowly degrade them as you improve the rest of the classes ability to fight.
Sincerely,
A concerned heavy.
us scouts could also use a scan radius nerf, 6M bigger than other frames is OP!
SOONGäó
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
710
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:04:00 -
[3279] - Quote
Quil Evrything wrote:Gaahh.. my post got messed up. lost all content. would delete it, but... no delete button :(
Edit it and delete all the text. Then just post whatever you want.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
311
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Posted - 2013.10.30 19:14:00 -
[3280] - Quote
Wooo! i finally mustered enough patience to get scout *4*, damp 3! Which means I can finally go with just ONE damper, for my stealth fits, and put some armor in the 2nd one!!!
... OOoooooo... I just reduced myself down from 10 different fits, to maybe about 4.
no more choosing between uplinks, OR stealth, OR enough armor to survive a sniper!
HappyHappyHappyHappy     
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OZAROW
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1006
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:36:00 -
[3281] - Quote
Sinboto Simmons wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Just watched a trailer for titan fall, damn do I want scouts to move like that. Damn you Now I want those jumpacks I just wanna Minja run across walls and **** lol
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KaaaamEeeHHAAAAMmmMAHHHAAAAAHH! |
J0LLY R0G3R
Unkn0wn Killers
163
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:18:00 -
[3282] - Quote
Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD
XD Indeed, chase me friend XD
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1859
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:43:00 -
[3283] - Quote
J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD
Didn't miss much but a little name-calling and alot of rambling.
Free from the doldrums of structure and coherence.
Name's KingThunderBolt. Not impressed. |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
713
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:51:00 -
[3284] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD Didn't miss much but a little name-calling and alot of rambling. Free from the doldrums of structure and coherence. Name's KingThunderBolt. Not impressed.
Not even a little. We can't even say anything back cause he banned us from commenting. He can pretty much say whatever he wants.
Don't waste anymore time with him. Took me awhile, but I remembered and old quote that would have saved us some time.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience." -George Carlin
Granted, we never fell to his level, but the quote still stands.
Just gonna wait till his name pops up in my killfeed.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1859
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:55:00 -
[3285] - Quote
GM Scotsman wrote:FYI...
Precision Enhancers, Profile Dampeners and Range Amplifiers all incur stacking penalties. I appreciate that not all modules mention this in the description field of the information box, but this is something being looked at. Codebreakers incur stacking penalties too.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1446048#post1446048
I'm inclined to go with Appia on remaining modules.
If it has a percentage value, it likely carries stacking penalty. |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
713
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:57:00 -
[3286] - Quote
Yeah. Welcome to DUST514, where we assign values arbitrarily, and expect you to know how they work.
Anyways, you gonna hop on soon Shotty? I think my night is just about to get started in about 30 minutes.
Anyone wanna sqd up tonight?
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1859
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:58:00 -
[3287] - Quote
Lots of Scouts on at the moment. I'm winding down. Time to feed these moobs. |
LeGoose
SAM-MIK
65
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:00:00 -
[3288] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD Didn't miss much but a little name-calling and alot of rambling. Free from the doldrums of structure and coherence. Name's KingThunderBolt. Not impressed. Not even a little. We can't even say anything back cause he banned us from commenting. He can pretty much say whatever he wants. Don't waste anymore time with him. Took me awhile, but I remembered and old quote that would have saved us some time. "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience." -George Carlin Granted, we never fell to his level, but the quote still stands. Just gonna wait till his name pops up in my killfeed.
Great quote ghost. I too am waiting for the day when his name pops up on the other team.
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Cass Caul
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
199
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:03:00 -
[3289] - Quote
lol, today I created an alt character, gave him a pretty manly name, talked as much **** as possible in squad chat, then turned my mic on... promptly turning it back off so they didn't hear me giggling once they registered my voice with my character.
So fun. 0 SP spent, dominating with a MLT light frame |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
713
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:14:00 -
[3290] - Quote
LeGoose wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD Didn't miss much but a little name-calling and alot of rambling. Free from the doldrums of structure and coherence. Name's KingThunderBolt. Not impressed. Not even a little. We can't even say anything back cause he banned us from commenting. He can pretty much say whatever he wants. Don't waste anymore time with him. Took me awhile, but I remembered and old quote that would have saved us some time. "Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience." -George Carlin Granted, we never fell to his level, but the quote still stands. Just gonna wait till his name pops up in my killfeed. Great quote ghost. I too am waiting for the day when his name pops up on the other team.
Heh. I was thinking about downvoting his video, but alas. HE HAS DISABLED RATINGS. Literally, you can't critique him without his approval, and you can't even downvote if you don't like the vid. Why would you disable ratings? Can he not take criticism at ALL?
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1861
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:29:00 -
[3291] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Heh. I was thinking about downvoting his video, but alas. HE HAS DISABLED RATINGS. Literally, you can't critique him without his approval, and you can't even downvote if you don't like the vid. Why would you disable ratings? Can he not take criticism at ALL?
Someone's asked for his input on Shotguns in the Forums:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118372
Ghost/Goose - I tried my best to explain what we've learned.
Maybe you can help too, |
Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
98
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:02:00 -
[3292] - Quote
im probably going to get some shoygun time tonight
Me and my inner demons stopped fighting......We are on the same side now...
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Lightning Bolt2
From The Mist
303
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:44:00 -
[3293] - Quote
the buffs in 1.6 (not hit detection) is a major disappointment to me as a minnie scout.
how would the scout community think of a minnie scout buff exclusive for a little more speed? possibly buff both but give a minnie a bigger speed buff?
I'm just real disappointed for the "buffs" that'll be useless to me.
from the mist, which doesn't exist.
love my paja-- er scout!
forum warrior lvl: pathetic
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Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
713
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:17:00 -
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I hope he shows up. He already pis*ed off some other vets on the forums. Would love to see how he is on a forum, where you can't delete other peoples opinions.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
626
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Posted - 2013.10.31 02:44:00 -
[3295] - Quote
J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD
Yeah man, I don' t have that kind of patience. Short and sweet..... less is more..... save the planet, kill yourself. |
Ghost Kaisar
R 0 N 1 N
714
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Posted - 2013.10.31 03:07:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Started to give it a watch, but that **** is 20somthing minutes long lol. Just reading what others have said about it is peachy enough for me XD. Good luck to him though shrug. So whats his dust name? Never know might run into him sometime XD Yeah man, I don' t have that kind of patience. Short and sweet..... less is more..... save the planet, kill yourself.
Bit harsh. But to each his own.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
266
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Posted - 2013.10.31 04:00:00 -
[3297] - Quote
Shotty GoBang wrote:GM Scotsman wrote:FYI...
Precision Enhancers, Profile Dampeners and Range Amplifiers all incur stacking penalties. I appreciate that not all modules mention this in the description field of the information box, but this is something being looked at. Codebreakers incur stacking penalties too.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1446048#post1446048
I'm inclined to go with Appia on remaining modules. If it has a percentage value, it likely carries stacking penalty.
Yep, eve is the exact same way. All percent base bonuses are penalized and absolute ones are not.
I pretty much assumed this from the get go, regardless of what the "actual" description said..............."do what I say, not what I do" mentality that CCP tends to get stuck in; its not difficult to add that little blurb. Wouldn't take much more than a downtime hotfix and 30 mins editing time. But alas they have higher priorities.
Started skilling up my knives into proficiency in hopes of a final fix here is to hoping its not worse
PS: That thunderbolt guy is just a troll, leave them be and don't feed them.
PHI Recruitment
or PHIsh Tank in game
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LeGoose
SAM-MIK
65
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Posted - 2013.10.31 04:50:00 -
[3298] - Quote
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Great quote ghost. I too am waiting for the day when his name pops up on the other team.
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Heh. I was thinking about downvoting his video, but alas. HE HAS DISABLED RATINGS. Literally, you can't critique him without his approval, and you can't even downvote if you don't like the vid. Why would you disable ratings? Can he not take criticism at ALL?[/quote]
Why would you accept criticism when you can insult the person in some obsurd way and delete anything that doesn't make you look good? Also I loved how at the end of the video he said he wasn't a bully and yet through the entire video he was constantly attempting to insult us by calling us gay. |
Quil Evrything
DUST University
Ivy League
316
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Posted - 2013.10.31 05:31:00 -
[3299] - Quote
Some scout/scout wrestling this evening..
I encountered a 'scout', or at least, someone who kinda looked scout-ish, who isnt on "The List":
boba fet?
ran into him going into the underground supply depot in "that city".
caught me off guard with a remote explosive
Okay, nice one, I thought.
respawned, came back.
The room was so full o **** that I guess a scan didnt show him there.
Looked more carefully for remotes, taking out equipment spam..... meanwhile, he did a quick runout and killed me with a gek.
sigh... okay, take 3.
Run down there... And He Kills Me With A Remote 
Okay, fun time is over, now its payback time!
I Re Spawn, and run down there..
this time stopping a good ways short of the actual main entrace...
AND PUT DOWN MY OWN REMOTE.
He comes running out, and...
OH, what a BEYOU-TI-FUL sight, to see an airborne dropsuit.....
How's it taste to YOU, Boba?
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
627
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Posted - 2013.10.31 10:31:00 -
[3300] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:
Yeah man, I don' t have that kind of patience. Short and sweet..... less is more..... save the planet, kill yourself.
Bit harsh. But to each his own.
I was in one of those moods yesterday.....
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