I'm not aware of any full time minscouts aside from me and Sinboto.

Stop saying this. I've been trying to trade off knife bonus since forever.

How different would things be if Active scanner followed the Cloak method of altering stats?

By which I mean lowering precision by a percentage.

Alternatively, the Cloak dropping to a hard number like todays scanner.

My moan reminded me of another possible idea for a racial scout bonus, though possibly impossible to implement.

- HUD display and audio alert of hack-in-progress and hack-flip imminent are not visible to suits with lower hack speeds.

Or some **** like that. Not sure it's actually viable as I can't figure out the best way to link it to either modules (codebreakers say) or just straight suit bonus.

Anyway it negates one of my complaints :-p


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not visible to suits with lower HIGHER hack speeds

@anyone
3x cDamage...

... lvl 5 warbarge augmented ammunition facility?

It does amaze me how strongly minscouts want to cling to their knives when it's potentially preventing the suit from being viable.

what is the charged dmg of NK's with lvl 5 min scout, 3x cDamage and lvl 5 warbarge augmented ammunition facility?

I don't understand how minjas don't run knives. Are you sure you are running the right suit? Is it a roleplaying thing? So what? You guys don't realize the value of the bonus? Or prefer to shoot prey versus carve it up?

If you put two good knifers together we can hold down objectives like rabid beasts. I honestly miss the damp bonus because that fit the knife bonus. Damp > hack.


Leave the knives alone- it's the minjas greatest strength. don't tell nobody but it's also the best bonus in the game. You say keeping the knife bonus is holding us back and I say keeping the hack bonus is what is holding us back.

The facility doesn't affect sidearms. I don't know if it affects sidearms in the light weapon slot but I seriously doubt it.

Thought you already knew this.

I run minja more than any other suit. Personally I disagree about the knife bonus.

I think it's great for flavour and identity. And it's just good enough to get me to use knives on nearly all my Min scout fits. But I don't think its a particularly strong bonus. In many knifing situations you would do just as well, or better with a shotgun. I would argue it is often easier to place two optimal range, direct hit shotgun blasts, than a fully charged nova knife double hit.

On the other hand, I love the hacking bonus. I think, in terms of strategy, it gives the min scout a nice niche. It's not useful a lot of the time, but it's nice generally, and the strategic option to pull off that rare speed back is great.

I wouldn't change the nk bonus. It's very important to the Min scout's identity and the fun / flavour of the game. I just don't agree it's particularly strong.

I run minja more than any other suit. Personally I disagree about the knife bonus.

I think it's great for flavour and identity. And it's just good enough to get me to use knives on nearly all my Min scout fits. But I don't think its a particularly strong bonus. In many knifing situations you would do just as well, or better with a shotgun. I would argue it is often easier to place two optimal range, direct hit shotgun blasts, than a fully charged nova knife double hit.

On the other hand, I love the hacking bonus. I think, in terms of strategy, it gives the min scout a nice niche. It's not useful a lot of the time, but it's nice generally, and the strategic option to pull off that rare speed back is great.

I wouldn't change the nk bonus. It's very important to the Min scout's identity and the fun / flavour of the game. I just don't agree it's particularly strong.

thought if was all weapons.

Can anyone tell me the charged dmg multiplier and headshot multiplier if it has one.

I do.

Depends on how you define full-time. Just because you don't know of any doesn't mean they're not out there.

Also re: Minja's clinging to knife bonus and suggesting they prevent it being viable. Read mollerz' post a few up - sums it up perfectly for me. It's the alpha damage - no other suit can do what a Minja can do. If anything, the knife bonus is the only thing that *does* make it viable!

Take it away and I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot of Minja's disappear.

It does amaze me how strongly minscouts want to cling to their knives when it's potentially preventing the suit from being viable.

I don't understand how minjas don't run knives. Are you sure you are running the right suit? Is it a roleplaying thing? So what? You guys don't realize the value of the bonus? Or prefer to shoot prey versus carve it up?

Or raising profile. Or both. Already mentioned many pages back. But it would affect passive scans. Maybe that's ok. Attaching the change to the scanned suit feels correct. It allows natural things to happen based on what your suits stats begin at (e.g. a heavily dampened suit doesn't stay scanned for long, if at all)

I'm a big believer in making things happen naturally like this. It just ******* works (most of the time ;-) ) and there's less room for breaking **** you didn't realise was gonna break.

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I would say what I just described is exactly how target painting in EVE works. And the word painting is the clue in where the change is applied

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I never said there weren't more out there. I only mentioned me and Sinboto because I'm reading a lot of generalizations about 'minscouts' here and I'm not entirely sure who they're based off. I mean we shouldn't really balance the suit off what people who only run it as a lolMW2CommandoPROKNIFE fit think.

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Sure the racial bonus helps the knives do better alpha but knives do high alpha even without it. While the damage bonus might make a difference, the real question is does it help more than another bonus might? In that regard I don't think it does, considering almost everything Nova Knives do can be accomplished with Shotguns, often even better.

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And I saw a lot of Galscouts here not want a bonus to Shotguns because they don't want the suit to be tied with just 1 weapon, but it's okay to tie the M. Scout to a sidearm?

thought if was all weapons.

Can anyone tell me the charged dmg multiplier and headshot multiplier if it has one.

If only CCP would listen to me and bring in racial knives.

I like my knives.

But I would kill for a flat biotics bonus.

Ahh I see, but when you said it was a serious question I decided you couldn't be playing devil's advocate lol

Logibro mentioned that there is a headshot multiplier, but I don't recall if he told us what it is.

PS: Don't be a hobbit. Melee / NK headshot registration aren't reliable enough to form foundation for any argument or comparison. Reliability matters, which is why you don't see many mercs running sniper rifles in CQC ...

hitting a head shot with NK's im sure is a lot easer in CqC than headshots with a sniper in CqC.