With stacking penalties enemies should appear for me at up to around 67m and though I couldn't measure for certain, that seemed to be able the distance on the radar that some people popped up but even then it was very patchy and unreliable.

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no, it was patchy, because it wasnt passive scan. it was funky line-of-sight pickup, I'm guessing.

Go look at
http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties

plug in your module bonuses plus base stats.
You should get a number that is somewhere UNDER 50m, if I recall.
45m?
For using 4 freaking proto modules, it sucks.

Note on tests:


if you cant walk backwards and pick people up on your radar that werent showing within the last 5 seconds... it isnt passive scan.

Trust me mate. Im pretty good at maths and spreadsheet the heck out of this stuff when Im bored stiff at work. With 50% each from gal 5 range 5 that's 22.5 then 4 45% increases with the stacking penalties it comes to approx 67m. Sit on the upstairs objective in the research facility and you can see peoples chevrons in the tunnels below and as they run up the stairs towards you but the radar blips in and out. I can't even imagine why but the radar is pretty pants. Chevron sight is the daddy though :)

If you have control o f the objective it may affect the range though, as objectives have their own precision, and range. It may be having an effect on your findings. This is mostly through observation though, I have no idea what the precision and range on objectives, CRUs, supply depots, and AI turrets are, but they do have some form of detection. Supply depots and turrets seem to be the least range, CRU seems to see further, and objectives are massive range(and perfect detection) What I have noticed is if someone goes for the objective across the map, and we control it I can see their chevron on the screen if the letter appears on screen.

As far as I can tell, objectives and installations can perfectly detect everyone. Not sure about the range, but I seem to avoid detection as long as I keep the smallest circle on the tacnet from touching the objective letter and a little further out for the installation symbol.

I would really like to know if a scout can beat this precision, and if not I it would be nice if CCP could make it possible for us too. It would make infiltration better.

Though it is fun to use enemy letters as a lure

I suspect installation/objective precision is perfect (0 dB). Can't prove it.

If you have control o f the objective it may affect the range though, as objectives have their own precision, and range. It may be having an effect on your findings. This is mostly through observation though, I have no idea what the precision and range on objectives, CRUs, supply depots, and AI turrets are, but they do have some form of detection. Supply depots and turrets seem to be the least range, CRU seems to see further, and objectives are massive range(and perfect detection) What I have noticed is if someone goes for the objective across the map, and we control it I can see their chevron on the screen if the letter appears on screen.

This is true but I've found the range on objectives to only be around 10-15m and with my stacked range amps you can see people all the way in the basement, which is at least 30-40m below.

The precision on hackable structures is far too low and really doesn't give a hacking scout a chance - I think this needs changing to allow us to do our role better. Maybe make it 46db, so all light suits and well dampened mediums can actually benefit from their sacrifices and make stealth tanking effective.

It's a damn shame that these crus and objectives can scout better then us lol.
I can't really guard an obj. for being afraid I'll show up on the enemy's radar. Sometimes I don't even know if it was me or the objective that picked the enemy up.
Why does the objective even have range and precision?? That to me is a Gal scout's role.

I sneak by with out any enemy's line of sight and a heavy spots me and kills me.I think that was BS.
In the end it's a shame that we scouts get picked up by these null cannons.

In other news: I got my pro scout finally.
and I'm leaving the phoenix to be part of Necrom0ngers. The top players from phx started it.

Grats on the proto, and hope the new corp treats you well.
As for guarding objectives, you are safe when they are under your teams control, they do not give you away. They share intel with the team that controls them, and uncontrolled ones don't share with anyone. I could be wrong though, i tend to hover at the edge of my radar, or patrol through varied routes between two objectives. If we have the lead and majority of objectives I'll run through scan range of an enemy one to lure them in and wait for them to come through the predictable paths into my RE

Thanks. I have not squadded with you yet. Sometimes I get paranoid when I see an arrow coming at me on the radar, I immediately think he saw me due to the objective or CRU. I swear th funniest thing about this game is watching scorched-flying corpses from REs.

Grats on the proto, and hope the new corp treats you well.
As for guarding objectives, you are safe when they are under your teams control, they do not give you away. They share intel with the team that controls them, and uncontrolled ones don't share with anyone. I could be wrong though, i tend to hover at the edge of my radar, or patrol through varied routes between two objectives. If we have the lead and majority of objectives I'll run through scan range of an enemy one to lure them in and wait for them to come through the predictable paths into my RE

The crappy part is the other end of the spectrum where if the enemy controls the point, they can see you on their radar which makes being a stealthy scout pretty useless. They need to fix that for scouts.

Yes, this is true. This is why the 46db on objectives scan would be great.
Far objectives are usually good targets though. Been working at a few tactics that use our advantages though with some success.

Once the team has hit an objective most defenders will abandon post to get to the one being hacked.... jackals... this is when we hit the abandoned objectives. sometimes a fatboy stays (they hate running) so watch for them.

Create a diversion- I drop uplinks near one objective and move fast to the next one, this way i can use the team as a distraction and if things go well we have two objectives.

Our stealth still works for circumventing the reds movements, and i find hacking skill helps reduce exposure time... even at level three without putting in a module it makes a difference.

The objectives that give me the most trouble are the ones with a CRU right next to them. Once you off the resistance you can't take both fast enough. Even with a partner split on the two enemies spawn to quick, a third on watch would help.

More ideas and strategies are always welcome

I suspect installation/objective precision is perfect (0 dB). Can't prove it.

Trust me mate. Im pretty good at maths and spreadsheet the heck out of this stuff when Im bored stiff at work. With 50% each from gal 5 range 5 that's 22.5 then 4 45% increases with the stacking penalties it comes to approx 67m. Sit on the upstairs objective in the research facility and you can see peoples chevrons in the tunnels below and as they run up the stairs towards you but the radar blips in and out. I can't even imagine why but the radar is pretty pants. Chevron sight is the daddy though :)

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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1433177#post1433177

Let us know when you've actually verified results on this, in an open area, on flat ground.
Vertical offset, messes things up. Radar is screwed: it doesnt take vertical distance into account.

**I've tested this** on open ground, in a proto suit. With someone on the other team patiently sitting there, rather than random rasberries running by.
(point of fact, it was ME, on a second PS3 :) )

Granted, it was a test using ADV range modules, not proto. But it was 100% reliable, reproducible results. Not your "well sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt".

The range cut out *exactly* where the stacking formulas say it should.
It was no-where near the no-stack-penalty range.

I've done a few bits of testing in that area. If you approach the turrets from behind and haven't fired a shot near that particular base, they done seem to notice you. So it seems like they have a fire detection system or something. Though if I approach them from the front, they stare at me and I hide >.>

I could easily be wrong.

You're absolutely correct. But what we're talking about here is different from turret target acquisition.

For reasons unknown, we pop up on enemy TacNet when entering the proximity of objectives and installations (like turrets, CRUs, etc). This makes sneaking around a 'bit more difficult at times, but it can also be used a lure.