DUST Search - HMG Review (as unbiased as possible...I promise :D )

Mithridates VI wrote:

I don't usually play heavy but I put an alt's 1.5m SP into it, focusing on heavy frame, advanced HMG, maxed armor passives.

Other than the SP sink issue which is covered in more detail elsewhere, the main issue is that nobody is intimidated by the HMG anymore. A major part of the HMG user's survivability, in my opinion, was that the HMG scared the kitten out of people. Firing an HMG into a crowd would break up the crowd, making it possible to pick off the individuals. Firing an HMG down a hallway emptied the hallway.

I tear into a crowd of guys with the HMG now (and I don't rambo in, I'm typically a support player and an experienced nova knifer, so I understand the cautious approach) and they respond by murdering me. Hell, I fire at once guy and he'll still have a shot at taking me on with his AR by sprinting out of range (he has time to do this because my gun is awful) and firing at me. Is he backing up faster than I can approach? It seems that I can be quite effectively kited like this.

I've been on both ends of an HMG since Uprising started and there are horrifyingly few situations where the HMG user comes out on top.

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D legendary hero Strong-Arm 234	Posted - 2013.06.28 02:51:00 - [991] - Quote CCP Remnant wrote: Please don't take this as me being snarky, but you guys do know that the HMG dispersion get tighter the longer you fire it, right? ^^why does the AHMG do the same DPS as an SMG with on a 2m increase on the regular HMG?
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 37	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:16:00 - [992] - Quote never fear boys and girls we now have the commando suit -____-
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 8	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:44:00 - [993] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: I don't usually play heavy but I put an alt's 1.5m SP into it, focusing on heavy frame, advanced HMG, maxed armor passives. Other than the SP sink issue which is covered in more detail elsewhere, the main issue is that nobody is intimidated by the HMG anymore. A major part of the HMG user's survivability, in my opinion, was that the HMG scared the kitten out of people. Firing an HMG into a crowd would break up the crowd, making it possible to pick off the individuals. Firing an HMG down a hallway emptied the hallway. I tear into a crowd of guys with the HMG now (and I don't rambo in, I'm typically a support player and an experienced nova knifer, so I understand the cautious approach) and they respond by murdering me. Hell, I fire at once guy and he'll still have a shot at taking me on with his AR by sprinting out of range (he has time to do this because my gun is awful) and firing at me. Is he backing up faster than I can approach? It seems that I can be quite effectively kited like this. I've been on both ends of an HMG since Uprising started and there are horrifyingly few situations where the HMG user comes out on top. i know exactly what you mean though i haven't played a heavy since Chrom i found that if my shields are full and my armor is between the range of 300 to 413 i could easily take a heavy down
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 37	Posted - 2013.06.28 12:38:00 - [994] - Quote ok i consider myself a very good fatty and all i use realy is the boundless.. honestly if they just leave it alone id be ok with it its not all the gun its the player and learning how to use the suit and the gun together . scouts dont give me much **** ar guys out of my range yes but i learned somthing we as heavys dont belong in the open we gotta use cover . do i wish i had more range yea , damage yea it could use a little more dps every last one of my load outs has a complex damage mod on it and it wors for me . what we need is the other flavors of suits in crom i was a armor heavy and i loved it 1002 hp armor and like 200 shields now im at like 776 armor 506 a little more than before but not my comfort zone . all in all i see alot more fattys wadling around the maps these days and mostly ... they are where they dont belong trying to chuck norris a squad or running around outside with no cover . we are meant for hallways and bottle necks where you can have good cover lear how to use the suit .... the gun works fine
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 238	Posted - 2013.06.28 12:54:00 - [995] - Quote The more I play, the more I noticed that when the connection is good, my hit register pretty well in the optimal range, but in 30% of the games, I end up with really bad hit detection issues, where I hear the hit registering on the ennemy, but no damage is done. It happens that I see myself emptying the Boundless on someone at about 20m and get only is shield down, while in other games, ennemies drop quite faster. I am pretty sure it isn't just a player skill factor, it's probably a region factor...since it happen in one game but not the next. I am expecting some improvement regarding this when the 1.2 comes in with the hit detection fix. I am just thinking CCP nerfed the HMG in uprising from internal testing, where they don't have server lag that much and such. Same with the MD. when lag came in, those weapon act completely differently. We will see next week I guess.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 115	Posted - 2013.06.28 13:22:00 - [996] - Quote oso tiburon wrote: ok i consider myself a very good fatty and all i use realy is the boundless.. honestly if they just leave it alone id be ok with it its not all the gun its the player and learning how to use the suit and the gun together . scouts dont give me much **** ar guys out of my range yes but i learned somthing we as heavys dont belong in the open we gotta use cover . do i wish i had more range yea , damage yea it could use a little more dps every last one of my load outs has a complex damage mod on it and it wors for me . what we need is the other flavors of suits in crom i was a armor heavy and i loved it 1002 hp armor and like 200 shields now im at like 776 armor 506 a little more than before but not my comfort zone . all in all i see alot more fattys wadling around the maps these days and mostly ... they are where they dont belong trying to chuck norris a squad or running around outside with no cover . we are meant for hallways and bottle necks where you can have good cover lear how to use the suit .... the gun works fine I Concur overall, with caveat that our range makes no sense. (The assault variants dmg decrease is too steep). We'll see with the new falloff system helps though.
D legendary hero Strong-Arm 239	Posted - 2013.06.30 05:36:00 - [997] - Quote the heavy suit and HMG are utterly pathetic. the only time i die to a heavy is a.) when you spawns right behind me while im at an objective or CRU) or b.) when someone with a sniper or assault rifle are shooting at me and he gets the last shot in. when i use my 'dren' assault suit with freaking pillows for armor and shields easier to break than an iphone screen. my ehp is 314 or a little more. i have no SP into Ars, i put one complex damage mod on my 'dren; AR and just aniliate heavies complete. at all ranges. if they are too close i just jjump around them and spray and i just completely make them my b****. the heavy suit is so susepitble to everything that i can run away through grenades at them shoot and they cnt get away from my uncooked grenades...lol the worst part is that i have basic armor repairers on so, if i move long enough out the way my shields and armo come back and the heavy jsut can't damage me enough to be worth anything. i use heavy suits so its real easy for me to take advantage of them


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