I run around with my RE out. idk about you but i like the extra speed from carrying something small.

My primary is RE then knife then my AR.

It's how I play.

Also 2 seconds would be way to long. it's already got a good time imo.
I can't say they always respond to my L1 pressing. and they sometimes go through the ground.

But as they are RE should be less damage, but advanced should be like the ones we have.

Cause the Cortex is a varient of RE, and thats the modules to call Bombardments.

and gg Last game ;)

lol I hate your RE style.

I run around with my RE out. idk about you but i like the extra speed from carrying something small.

My primary is RE then knife then my AR.

It's how I play.

Also 2 seconds would be way to long. it's already got a good time imo.
I can't say they always respond to my L1 pressing. and they sometimes go through the ground.

But as they are RE should be less damage, but advanced should be like the ones we have.

Cause the Cortex is a varient of RE, and thats the modules to call Bombardments.

and gg Last game ;)

Personally, thats not a way that the game needs to be played.
They need to restrict RE's to a certain type of suit, like they did with the Swarms (I think, if not then they need to restrict swarms to heavies)
RE's are cheap ways of getting kills and its really annoying when your in a firefight with someone, and either your kills are stolen by someone, or you get killed by someone using them.

I was in a game against you, and that was seriously the only way you were getting any kills on me, you tried with the rifle, as well as the knife, but since I was in a heavy suit, I think you just gave up and used a RE on me.

Its cheap, and they need to do something about it to prevent people from using the exploit any more.

They need to reduce the amount you can cary.
I would also like them to reduce the throw distance. Not just because people are whipping them like grenades but the accuracy on placement is very poor. If they're going to go up in cost and able to carry less of them then you should be able to put them precisely where you want them.

No offense, but I believe the "fast and furious" gameplay itch should be scratched with grenades, not a pocket full of super nukes.

Grenades aren't useful.

But If they were lvl 4 prereq'd
i'd be ok.

only lvl 1 is super OP, agree with that.

Grenades aren't useful.

But If they were lvl 4 prereq'd
i'd be ok.

only lvl 1 is super OP, agree with that.

You shouldn't be able to throw and detonate a remote explosive faster than you can a grenade.

The damage alone on RE's dictate they have a LONGER arming time than a grenade.

In future updates I'm sure proxmines will be introduced, I don't think I should have to mention that I don't wish to see people running around throwing proxmines in the middle of a gun fight.

restrictions? No

It's how i want to play, fast and furious.

The RE at lvl 1 are OP sure, but they are RE that has a varient that is Cortex.

Heavies i don't waste AR ammo anymore. and Knife would be like all my stamina then my speed is worthless.
I'm not going to waste 2 mags on a heavy with a basic AR

How about we nerf guns too? lets accept the nerfs too eh? yea didn't think so. If you get killed by a RE deal with it. If you get killed by a grenade deal with it. if you get killed by a super tank deal with it. I dont think i should be able to play how i want to play and not have to go by what the general public wants me to use.

No RE nerf just an activation time.

How about we nerf guns too? lets accept the nerfs too eh? yea didn't think so. If you get killed by a RE deal with it. If you get killed by a grenade deal with it. if you get killed by a super tank deal with it. I should be able to play how i want to play and not have to go by what the general public wants me to use.

It doesnt matter how YOU want to play, it matters how much of an issue this is to the rest of the people that play the game.
You know, the whole "1000 is more important than a single person" thing.
The fact that you NEED RE just to take out a heavy tells me one thing.
Well, two actually.

1. You cant aim with the AR
2. You havent gotten your skills up with the AR

I have killed plenty of Heavies, proto and otherwise, with a militia AR with at most 1 and a half clips

I can aim with AR and i only have lvl 4 AR op, lvl 5 weaponary
I use AR a bit, but heavies eat ammo, why handicap myself by wasting that on them?
Using more then a mag on someone isn't effective use of my ammo.

I never said i NEED RE to kill a heavy.

And you want to limit both RE and swarm to a certain class of dropsuits, that's limiting EVERYONE, some don't want to have a heavy suit to kill a tank that can easily destroy that suit cause of it's low speed.

@Absol, the CreoDron needs to be looked at for guns, but they are good for the rest.

I'd rather have the prereq changed then nerf or limit it to a certain suit.

I dont care about tanks, I can counter those with a forge gun.

What I CANT counter, is someone in a scout suit, or an assault suit, running around and tossing RE's at me that are one hit kills, even when im in a heavy suit.

Even a grenade isnt a ohko

Also, the fact that you "Want to play how you want to" no matter the cost to everyone else around you, is an extremely selfish way to play.

Anyone defending RE's is probably a **** sympathizer.

Well, to be honest, the fact that a scout suit can just run around with explosives that can take anything lower than a maxed out tank in one hit, is REALLY OP if you ask me, regardless of the level you need to run the RE itself.

"Some dont want to have a heavy suit to kill a tank"

Thats what Heavies are there for, they are there to be a damage sponge, while taking out the more highly armored targets.

When im running a heavy suit (A T1 heavy suit btw) I RARELY get killed by tanks within their first three volleys.
Now, if I sti still and let them hit me, sure, they can kill me pretty quick, but even then it takes one or two hits to do so.

RE need a buff if you want them to go against tanks.

It takes over 10 for a upgraded tank, and they try to keep themselves alive, without their reps going it takes over 5.

RE need a buff if you want them to go against tanks.

It takes over 10 for a upgraded tank, and they try to keep themselves alive, without their reps going it takes over 5.

Here's how I have to take out a Super Tank:

Run up to tank.
Jump on tank.
Remote, remote, remote, repeat.
Remotes gone, pull out gun, look down fire.
Ammo out, Nova Knife.

I feel like I'm in a crab battle half the time I fight Marauders.

We don't want them to go against tanks.

No one wants this.

No one.

What will the Swarm launchers, Forge guns, AV mines, and AV grenades be for then?

Same thing

AV mines? where are those?

so you want RE just for infantry? were you the one that said the proxymines will probably make it in at some point?

Goldeneye 64? Is that you?

Nope, same PSN as my dust name

He's referencing the proxy mines from Goldeneye on the Nintendo 64....

License to kill only baby, first to 20!

Ohh :P well, shut up daddrobit, you're never on TeamSpeak so i can tell it to you on voice

Nope, same PSN as my dust name

I meant the proxy mines ...

As stated above, they can give it an arming time, and/or possibly look into a limit the number that a team can have out at any given time.

make them sticky, though, so they adhere to surfaces like walls, ceilings, and hulls of enemy vehicles (lol)

It's 2:15 am sorry :P

and Dadrobit, i can give you permissions to so you can listen to us for queuing up.
But i have 2 headsets for PC and my PSN mic in, just not really used right now.

Nonono, I have the access on TS to be in chat and all that jazz, it's just that my computer is in one room and my Playstation is in another.

ahhhh, nub.

get a longer cord :P
lol

Here's how to fix them: don't walk over them and get killed. Simple. It's not like they're proximity mines (and I can't wait when those get introduced!).

Seriously, just be on the lookout for them. People seem to think you can just bull rush your way toward an opponent for a kill. When people do that, I RE them into the sky. That's a valid tactic. Adjust. Really not that difficult.

Here's how to fix them: don't walk over them and get killed. Simple. It's not like they're proximity mines (and I can't wait when those get introduced!).

Seriously, just be on the lookout for them. People seem to think you can just bull rush your way toward an opponent for a kill. When people do that, I RE them into the sky. That's a valid tactic. Adjust. Really not that difficult.

You don't have to walk over them to get killed by one. They have a huge blast radius. Plus the fact REs can be thrown AND they slide after landing. Something IS wrong here. I don't see how anyone can deny it.

You don't have to walk over them to get killed by one. They have a huge blast radius. Plus the fact REs can be thrown AND they slide after landing. Something IS wrong here. I don't see how anyone can deny it.

make it a lvl 4 prereq and the lvl 5 be the cortex.

I have no problem spending SP to get those.

I said before i've ever used them that a lvl 1 prereq is crazy for them

but to be honest they have to be looking at how much they are used to find the SP multiplier for them and the cortex.

Yeah. I was on a Skirmish Map and an RE blast From US Communications Ambush blew me. It's got such a huge blast radius! They shouldn't be able to do that!

You don't have to walk over them to get killed by one. They have a huge blast radius. Plus the fact REs can be thrown AND they slide after landing. Something IS wrong here. I don't see how anyone can deny it.

Well, the only thing I'd say is that I'd be OK with having to spend more SP to work your way up to the current RE's.

But so what if they can be thrown? So what if they slide? Why does that matter? Assault rifles propel bullets through the air. That's war.

Do RE kills always come from people walking over them? No, of course not. But assault rifle kills don't always come from someone you're shooting at. Sometimes you get shot in the back. And sometimes a crafty RE guy rolls up behind you and blows you 2.8 meters into the air. Both tactics are valid. Pay attention and you will die less, be it from bullets or RE's. Really, they're not that bad.

imho RE should done more damage to "material" like turret and vehicle and should done less damage to player

So, I can tear through Armor Plates but not a Dropsuit?

so my question is if people are getting this butt hurt about RE, are they going to get butt hurt when orbital strikes start raining down from fleets above.

+1 Brother. +1

Cortex is the varient of the RE we have. :P

look at the info on RE's.

Cortex? It's the modules of Orbital Bombardments

People start to lose a gun fight so they just jump hit R2-R1-L1 and problem solved. It is getting ridiculous

RE's are cheap ways of getting kills and its really annoying when your in a firefight with someone, and either your kills are stolen by someone, or you get killed by someone using them.

Its cheap, and they need to do something about it to prevent people from using the exploit any more.

Well, the only thing I'd say is that I'd be OK with having to spend more SP to work your way up to the current RE's.

But so what if they can be thrown? So what if they slide? Why does that matter? Assault rifles propel bullets through the air. That's war.

Do RE kills always come from people walking over them? No, of course not. But assault rifle kills don't always come from someone you're shooting at. Sometimes you get shot in the back. And sometimes a crafty RE guy rolls up behind you and blows you 2.8 meters into the air. Both tactics are valid. Pay attention and you will die less, be it from bullets or RE's. Really, they're not that bad.

Just to be clear, I don't have an issue with their damage or blast radius or the fact they can be thrown, slide or whatever. My issue with the REs is their off balance deploy/detonate mechanics.

They have a short deploy timer

Most times i try to do it right after i throw it but it doesn't work till a another press of the button.

If it could be instant-detonated I'd have alot more suicides

I normally jump away after i toss it so when i land i know it can be detonated without haveing to press twice

They have a very short deployment time and a very short detonation timer. Add the two times together and it's still a very short amount of time.

it's fast combat most times. you can't slow it down so much that they are completely useless to everything.

REs are not supposed to replace primary weapons. .

Where is it said for that?

As far as i'm informed, CCP has said you can take it anyway you want it.

I've made a request for an equipable knife so i don't need to carry a gun to make the fit valid.

Cause I'm one of those idiots that like to take the game a TOTALLY different way.

But again, no one's ever said what can and cannot be your mainly used weapon.

Where is it said for that?

As far as i'm informed, CCP has said you can take it anyway you want it.

I've made a request for an equipable knife so i don't need to carry a gun to make the fit valid.

Cause I'm one of those idiots that like to take the game a TOTALLY different way.

But again, no one's ever said what can and cannot be your mainly used weapon.

Where is it said for that?

As far as i'm informed, CCP has said you can take it anyway you want it.

I've made a request for an equipable knife so i don't need to carry a gun to make the fit valid.

Cause I'm one of those idiots that like to take the game a TOTALLY different way.

But again, no one's ever said what can and cannot be your mainly used weapon.

Well, I'm all for it. Play how you want to play. You are right, I was wrong to say "REs are not supposed to replace primary weapons". And an equipable knife would be awesome. But I still feel that the combination of stats and ease-of-use makes the RE, in it's current state, OP. Either their stats need to change or the way they can be used needs to change.

I vote for changing the way they are used.

People will find ways to do it anyways.

I'd rather have more dedication to them for the power they have.

No stat changes.
No Timer increase.

Just higher prereq. (lvl 4)
Maybe even higher SP multiplier.

It's a skill to also have a Cortex to orbital strike. It should be a bit higher anyways.

I agree. I like being the oddball. I like hearing people go:

"Did he just jump on top that dropship???"

People will find ways to do it anyways.

I'd rather have more dedication to them for the power they have.

No stat changes.
No Timer increase.

Just higher prereq. lvl 4
Maybe even higher SP multiplier.

It's a skill to also have a Cortex to orbital strike. It should be a bit higher anyways.

Another RE thread come and gone.

I say wait for a more true build before we hit everything with the nerf hammer! No ff, no grouping, free vehicles, one map, bad draw distances and spawning. All these need to be addressed then we can start with the QQing over OP weapons.

I've seen plenty of players learning to watch for RE users, they stay away and actually have to aim instead of running straight up to me. Why are you running at me any ways? Keep your distance learn to aim and be patient for another build and use what wwe have any way you can.

Give REs a rest and find another weapon or object to bash for a lil.

The issue isn't avoiding RE users, the issue is beating someone in a gun fight and before the enemy dies they throw an RE at your feet and even if you kill them the RE still triggers and you die.

As things are now I feel that REs do need a timer to prevent them being used as granades.

Next build should reduce the martydom effect as you'll have to wait 8 secs before you can hit suicide

If RE's remain as is then we should have RE jammers available so that the current cheap tactics can be avoided. I would happily give up a H spot to watch these RE spammers go click,click, OH SH*T........

No one who use remote explosives myself included can deny that they are broken. People start to lose a gun fight so they just jump hit R2-R1-L1 and problem solved. It is getting ridiculous but there is an easy fix and that is an activation time of say 2 seconds. Now a lot of people will get upset about it but if REs are your main way to kill people, then you have a problem. By adding an activation time REs will be used as they were intended to defend objectives or take out objects, not to use to throw at some one who is beating you in a gun fight.

For those that want to say I'm QQing, I use REs too I'm just offering a suggesting that will fix the current issue.

Edit: I'm not asking for a nerf the damage and radius are fine

You know, I'm going to love seeing the thread "Nerf RE Activation Time" if they do this, because everyone is going to be all upset because they walk around a corner and get bombed by some guy who set a trap, instead of having the ability to kill them when they can see them.

Be careful what you wish for.

I would be fine with that, it would reward quick thinking and tactics. What is extremely ridiculous is that my enemy can place an RE at my feet and explode it before I have the slightest chance to run away, and even if I kill them before they can set it off, it goes off anyways when they die and I STILL can't get away fast enough.

The F/41 series of remote explosives are among the most powerful manually triggered demolitions devices available in New Eden. Each unit is reliable and effective, using a mix of three volatile materials to produce a yield high enough to penetrate layered armor, shatter reinforced structures, and decimate infantry units

No one who use remote explosives myself included can deny that they are broken. People start to lose a gun fight so they just jump hit R2-R1-L1 and problem solved. It is getting ridiculous but there is an easy fix and that is an activation time of say 2 seconds. Now a lot of people will get upset about it but if REs are your main way to kill people, then you have a problem. By adding an activation time REs will be used as they were intended to defend objectives or take out objects, not to use to throw at some one who is beating you in a gun fight.

For those that want to say I'm QQing, I use REs too I'm just offering a suggesting that will fix the current issue.

Edit: I'm not asking for a nerf the damage and radius are fine

I've noticed an increase in the amount of deaths I suffer due to RE this weekend as opposed to last. Seems to be gaining in popularity. Thing is, I've never seen one, other than the HUD icon for friendlies. Is there a bug with the model?

Also, way OP... a day one merc can take down a Proto suit with one hit. Yeah, don't nerf the RE you guys, it's working fine.

Hey guys. Ever heard of a game called Call of Duty? I think they have a similar issue. Maybe we should nerf them too.

Just an idea.

Maybe we should nerf the sticky grenades in Halo?

How about we nerf assault rifle?

Just because it's not a gun doesn't mean, it isn't legitimate. It's a tactic like anything else. It has weaknesses, it has strengths.

Let's all calm down and stop acting like a bunch of Codfish.

*BTW, as a Firefly, I agree. They are broken, but I have to invest very heavily in my skills to make an effective build that I wont die with every time I throw one*

lol? All you need is Demo I. You use them the same way I use them...to get cheap kills. RE are over the top at the moment and need some sort of placement requirement so I can't just throw them like we do now. But, they should stick to a target so that if I manage to get behind a tank and plant all my REs, they'll stick to the tank and blow it up.

RE are over the top at the moment? - and you describe the fix as a mechanic that would allow your team to cover a friendly dropship with RE (Say 8 to 10 guys co-ordinating) and one shot anything on the field, besides the enemy MCC.

So instead of people losing their 50,000 isk infantry fits and QQing they can lose their 250,000 isk vehicle fits.

Well I like it.

As much as I love that idea....CCP could make it so that REs only stick to enemy or neutral ( walls, floor, objectives) targets to prevent the Allahu Akbar Airline you described.

So... plant charges on enemy vehicle, then hack it?

I feel so sorry for CCP Devs, all this complication for you guys.

They don't stick to vehicles now, but I STILL get them to stay on top when I jump on the tank and toss it.

People will find ways to do it anyways.

I'd rather have more dedication to them for the power they have.

No stat changes.
No Timer increase.

Just higher prereq. (lvl 4)
Maybe even higher SP multiplier.

It's a skill to also have a Cortex to orbital strike. It should be a bit higher anyways.

Which is the instant kill radius RE users have and how easily they can achieve a kill.

I don't care that they can be thrown or that they slide. My problem is how easily they can be deployed then immediately detonated. Paying attention doesn't help. If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE become inescapable, even if you try to escape the moment he switches to REs. REs currently outrank every weapon designed for close to medium-close range combat. I don't think that's what the developers had in mind for the REs.

Just to be clear, I don't have an issue with their damage or blast radius or the fact they can be thrown, slide or whatever. My issue with the REs is their off balance deploy/detonate mechanics.

IMO, best solution would be to leave as is, but just reduce the throw distance of the RE. Yes it's less than grenades, but should be even less than it is now. Maybe just tossable to like 2m out in front of you.

interesting, I rarley die to RE cause I am not stupid and dont let myself bait into one.

I'm alright with that.
They already only go about 4 / 5 meters without sliding. Sliding goes MAYBE 2 / 3 more meters. in total the possible is 8 meters.
Probably a few more, but that's fine to me.

lol, I figured you'd like that. I don't mind someone running away and tossing one down as they run. If I get blown up running over it as I chase them...my fault/good for them for baiting me.

The problem is if ur in a cqc fight, right now, the RE user can toss it at you as a desperation instakill. If toss distance were only like 1-2m, then they'd literally have to be ON you.

I'm fast enough to be on them and get off in time to kill them with it still. so I'm fine with that.

Still think making the skill for them be edited would be best and add in more varients for AV purposes and different radius' and such. Cause it makes since to the stuff already there.

(secrets I got them)

Lots of interesting ideas for how to "fix" RE. Some are decent, some are flat out stupid and make the RE useless.
IMO, RE doesn't really need a nerf to power/radius. Adding a min time to "arm" or a longish "plant" animation would make them damn near useless.
IMO, best solution would be to leave as is, but just reduce the throw distance of the RE. Yes it's less than grenades, but should be even less than it is now. Maybe just tossable to like 2m out in front of you.

If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE becomes inescapable. Yes, i agree. That's the point. That's how they're supposed to be used. In close. It's supposed to prevent heavy's and assaults from bull rushing every red arrow they see. That's why they're great. They keep people at arm's length.

If you see someone with a RE, stay farther back. Why is that difficult? You can tell if someone has one, so just stay back.

It's funny that people are so worried about them. When someone has a RE equipped, do you know what they don't have equipped? A gun. So SHOOT THEM!!!!

When I see someone with RE's when I'm a heavy or assault, I salivate like Pavlov's dogs. They're easy kills. Stay farther back, and if they throw one, shoot it. They're not shooting at you, so you have time to blow up all their RE's.

I have yet to hear a good argument as to why RE's as currently built (aside from maybe boosting SP in order to use them) should not be used.

Making a plant animation would not make the RE useless. You would still be able to bait people into a trap. You can still place RE on roads to cripple an HAV or destroy an LAV, the finish it off with a swarm launcher. You can still trap paths players frequently cross. You can still trap objectives and installations. You guys want to do everything you can to keep REs the way they are now. This is a beta and we are supposed to be calling out mechanical imbalances like this.

Seriously, i've used REs for a while (I had to remove them from my popular fits due to CPU/PG requirements) and I don't see how anyone can deny that they are being used the wrong way.

PS, I'm open to the last part of you're post (reducing throw distance). That may make it easier to escape.

THey can add variants too, prob will make things interesting.

And hey, if you can jump onto a guy, drop a RE at his feet, and then get away and blow it up... that's skill, and you deserve the kill.
It would still fix the mechanic of the RE, because the majority of RE users, aren't skillful enough to be able to do that.

Give them a set up time of some sort. 5 second timer till the RE can be triggered perhaps

If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE becomes inescapable. Yes, i agree. That's the point. That's how they're supposed to be used. In close. It's supposed to prevent heavy's and assaults from bull rushing every red arrow they see. That's why they're great. They keep people at arm's length.

If you see someone with a RE, stay farther back. Why is that difficult? You can tell if someone has one, so just stay back.

It's funny that people are so worried about them. When someone has a RE equipped, do you know what they don't have equipped? A gun. So SHOOT THEM!!!!

When I see someone with RE's when I'm a heavy or assault, I salivate like Pavlov's dogs. They're easy kills. Stay farther back, and if they throw one, shoot it. They're not shooting at you, so you have time to blow up all their RE's.

I have yet to hear a good argument as to why RE's as currently built (aside from maybe boosting SP in order to use them) should not be used.

So basically you are saying F U to anyone who uses SMG or Shotgun, because they are CQC only. If your idea about RE is to stay away then SMG/Shotgun users have no chance against someone who is good at quickly jumping hitting R2,R1,L1. That is just ridiculous, a 2 second timer to arm an RE is fine, 2 seconds is still less time than the AR and SMG reload, and this arming time can be reduced through leveling up an RE skill.

I'm saying this and I abuse the f**k out of REs

Well said. RE in it's current state make any close quarter weapon redundant. This creates an imbalance in gameplay mechanics. It needs to be fixed beyond prerequisites and whatever slap-on-the-wrist nerf you can think of.

losing a gun fight? wtf is a gun fight i only know how to throw bombs

Did they have a delay last build? i never used them myself but I think I remember someone talking about it during a game once.

No, last game they had a nasty way of "sympathetically detonate" if you dropped a few in the same spot. Usually as you were deploying them.
They ought to bring that back. RE's should be area denial weapons. not anti tank ones. And the damage of the higher tier ones ARE too high. Theoretically 5 of those can do 12K damage in a single blast if grouped.

Bomberman bomberman does whatever a bomber can.

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.

How about you state your case in a productive manner.
All I got from that is that you don't think it's fair to nerf REs. But you have to keep in mind REs are not fair to shotguns, smgs and pistols. This game is hoping to have a "rock paper scissors" gameplay. But REs currently don't fit in this gameplay type.

How about you state your case in a productive manner.
All I got from that is that you don't think it's fair to nerf REs. But you have to keep in mind REs are not fair to shotguns, smgs and pistols. This game is hoping to have a "rock paper scissors" gameplay. But REs currently don't fit in this gameplay type.

and why good sir do I need to play by Rock paper scissors? while i am using RE im consistently gettting killed by CQC weapons such as smgs and shotguns because i have light armor and no GUN in my hand if they have just a little range on me i die once they hit me, so i see NO PROBLEM whats so ever.

You need to reread this entire thread. You keep ignoring the issue. No one is accusing anybody of going 40-0 using nothing but RE. Yeah, you guys die a lot and because you can't fight back at medium/long range, my creodron always prevails. I don't doubt that anyone with a little range will kill a person holding explosives in his hand. No one is saying so.

As I've stated before, many times, the issue is the inescapable killzone RE users have that make CQC nearly obsolete. And i'm sure the times you've been killed by CQC it was because A) They snuck up on you and tore through your light armor. Or B) They killed you, but not before you tossed out an RE and killed them in the process.

I like the "adding an arming time" suggestion. Also, how about adding an explosive's resistance skill? That way there's a solid counter to, while keeping RE's useful.

Aren't explosives supposed to explode? Have you seen an explosion before? It's usually not the size of a candy wrapper.

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Reread some of my posts before you post. I clearly state that I don't have an issue with the blast radius or damage. It's the deploy and detonate mechanic that needs work. I should have said that in my last post. Maybe I should copy/paste a disclaimer for all who do not read before posting.

Seems fairly easy to fix. Remove their ability to be thrown, and make them have a flashing red light on them or something. Everything in the game is a gray-brown mishmash, so spotting them is pretty tough. Otherwise, letting people throw them like grenades (just not quite as far) kind of makes a joke out of grenades.

Make them something you can only directly place on surfaces and make them easier to spot when placed and they'll be more more reasonable.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that functions? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that function? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because your creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because your creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game.

I hope that you will see this too.

restrictions? No

It's how i want to play, fast and furious.

The RE at lvl 1 are OP sure, but they are RE that has a varient that is Cortex.

Heavies i don't waste AR ammo anymore. and Knife would be like all my stamina then my speed is worthless.
I'm not going to waste 2 mags on a heavy with a basic AR

I agree with you on one point and that is that the beta needs work. It is filled with gitches.

But in the meantime, I am showing the worst possible thing someone can do with an RE. If that doesn't catch a Dev's attention, I don't know what will. Maybe if I complained more.

But let's face. I'm not here to get into a fight. I'm standing my side. Whether you or anyone else thinks I am wrong, at least I can say, my opinion never changed and I will stand for what I believe in.

Also, you are making an opinion based on 3 Maps, all of which, mind you, are considered "extremely small' by CCP. I'm sure once the maps are expanded and we have a much broader field of operations, even in their current format, the RE may become obsolete.

Well, then I think we have said all that can be said about the matter at hand and will just have to agree to disagree.

And I just want to be clear, I don't have a problem with you or anything against you

p.s. thanks for the good debate. It's been a while.

/thread

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because you're a creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because you're a creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

Excellent post!

Using REs as grenades does not seem right. RE wh00res misusing them 5 times per suit in this way may be pissy about losing this ability, but it really is only fair. As Varys says, setting up a tactical killzone with pre-planted RE charges is perfectly reasonable. Flinging a pack of RE at a lumbering heavy and detonating it for an instakill is not.

if anything i think REs need a buff. i can't aim a gun, so i have to use cheap instakill grenades whenever i feel threatened, but occasionally i'm still killed in CQC, though i always get revenge on my killer (haha, noob). I think their range should be buffed to 500 m explosion radius like it says, damage should be enough to kill a plated surya, and i should have immunity to the blast. I also think they should be able to be thrown from A to C on the current map, and should have a system that shows me their flight trajectory for better aiming. This is the only logical thing, as the cortex is a variant of REs. /sarcasm

Hey guys. Ever heard of a game called Call of Duty? I think they have a similar issue. Maybe we should nerf them too.

Just an idea.

Maybe we should nerf the sticky grenades in Halo?

How about we nerf assault rifle?

Just because it's not a gun doesn't mean, it isn't legitimate. It's a tactic like anything else. It has weaknesses, it has strengths.

Let's all calm down and stop acting like a bunch of Codfish.

*BTW, as a Firefly, I agree. They are broken, but I have to invest very heavily in my skills to make an effective build that I wont die with every time I throw one*

This whole argument remind me of this:

Even if you don't understand EVE, you will still get this.

What people who complain about RE sound like.

I thought so too but apparently ppl still want to stir the pot

They already have a short arm time.

No need to erf them at all. I could see requiring lvl 3 weaponry instead of 2 before opening Demolitions. maybe make Demolition itself a higher multiplier.

No need to cry about them being OP though. They blow up in people face often enough. That and you only get 5 anyway.

If anything they need to make grenades more effective so people will use their grenades more often than RE. Why should someone throw a RE on the ground when they could throw a grenade?

I think making them sticky and having an arming time is a good idea actually. The arming time keeps them being used for intended purposes, trapping/ambush. The sticky negates the arming time when vehicles are concerned, (so they don't just move off of them).

I don't think 1 or 2 RE's should be able to drop a tank. They shouldn't be used as being able to add on AV capabilities. They should be used to accentuate AV capabilities, or support other people in an AV role. IMO I think it should take almost your full loadout of RE's to just take out a dropship, and two to take down a heavy.

Just my opinion.

Remote explosives are being used as grenades, not for demolitions and traps. Remote explosives have one key word;

"Remote".

Currently, the detonation of REs are anything but remote from their user. Most times they are less than 15m away.

Get rid of the ridiculous automatic death explosions, add an arming/lock on sequence, I would say 5 seconds would do. And does friendly fire on Remote explosives need buffed? It seems to be the new Swarm Launcher to me; fire at your feet and walk away unscathed.

how about you stop being butt hurt by getting killed by a box and deal with it. sounds like another AR user getting upset that he cant beat an RE user.

Remote explosives are being used as grenades, not for demolitions and traps. Remote explosives have one key word;

"Remote".

Currently, the detonation of REs are anything but remote from their user. Most times they are less than 15m away.

Get rid of the ridiculous automatic death explosions, add an arming/lock on sequence, I would say 5 seconds would do. And does friendly fire on Remote explosives need buffed? It seems to be the new Swarm Launcher to me; fire at your feet and walk away unscathed.

If anything the RE's should be encouraging people to play the way intended. Dust isnt about rushing people, playing chicken with bullets/AR's. Its about tactical maneuvering like flanking, ambush, covering fire and other such uses. RE's are great for vehicles when you have no opportunity to obtain an AV weapon on the field other than dieing and holding down control points when someone is trying to re-hack while you are getting out of dodge (especially a poorly defended Scout that acts as point man). Including going up against a Heavy, pretty intimidating when all you have is a submachine that is like bb's to them.

Coming from someone who abuses RE in cqc. Of course you will try and defend it. It doesn't matter because its going to get nerfed. Nice fail troll though. RE is broken and if you deny it you are obviously a troll and an idiot.

Yeup i guees im a fail troll and idiot. Im so sorrry for being fails! I guess i should blow myself up with a op box because people cant handle them

If anything the RE's should be encouraging people to play the way intended. Dust isnt about rushing people, playing chicken with bullets/AR's. Its about tactical maneuvering like flanking, ambush, covering fire and other such uses. RE's are great for vehicles when you have no opportunity to obtain an AV weapon on the field other than dieing and holding down control points when someone is trying to re-hack while you are getting out of dodge (especially a poorly defended Scout that acts as point man). Including going up against a Heavy, pretty intimidating when all you have is a submachine that is like bb's to them.

Now for srs business guise. How about we stop bitching about Re's before the actual game comes out with all the skills and the different maps and the mechanic called frendly fire. Im sure if ccp feels something really needs to be done about RE they will when they release the full game.