Here's how to fix them: don't walk over them and get killed. Simple. It's not like they're proximity mines (and I can't wait when those get introduced!).

Seriously, just be on the lookout for them. People seem to think you can just bull rush your way toward an opponent for a kill. When people do that, I RE them into the sky. That's a valid tactic. Adjust. Really not that difficult.

make it a lvl 4 prereq and the lvl 5 be the cortex.

I have no problem spending SP to get those.

I said before i've ever used them that a lvl 1 prereq is crazy for them

but to be honest they have to be looking at how much they are used to find the SP multiplier for them and the cortex.

Well, the only thing I'd say is that I'd be OK with having to spend more SP to work your way up to the current RE's.

But so what if they can be thrown? So what if they slide? Why does that matter? Assault rifles propel bullets through the air. That's war.

Do RE kills always come from people walking over them? No, of course not. But assault rifle kills don't always come from someone you're shooting at. Sometimes you get shot in the back. And sometimes a crafty RE guy rolls up behind you and blows you 2.8 meters into the air. Both tactics are valid. Pay attention and you will die less, be it from bullets or RE's. Really, they're not that bad.

They have a short deploy timer

Most times i try to do it right after i throw it but it doesn't work till a another press of the button.

If it could be instant-detonated I'd have alot more suicides

I normally jump away after i toss it so when i land i know it can be detonated without haveing to press twice

it's fast combat most times. you can't slow it down so much that they are completely useless to everything.

Where is it said for that?

As far as i'm informed, CCP has said you can take it anyway you want it.

I've made a request for an equipable knife so i don't need to carry a gun to make the fit valid.

Cause I'm one of those idiots that like to take the game a TOTALLY different way.

But again, no one's ever said what can and cannot be your mainly used weapon.

People will find ways to do it anyways.

I'd rather have more dedication to them for the power they have.

No stat changes.
No Timer increase.

Just higher prereq. lvl 4
Maybe even higher SP multiplier.

It's a skill to also have a Cortex to orbital strike. It should be a bit higher anyways.

Lots of interesting ideas for how to "fix" RE. Some are decent, some are flat out stupid and make the RE useless.
IMO, RE doesn't really need a nerf to power/radius. Adding a min time to "arm" or a longish "plant" animation would make them damn near useless.
IMO, best solution would be to leave as is, but just reduce the throw distance of the RE. Yes it's less than grenades, but should be even less than it is now. Maybe just tossable to like 2m out in front of you.

If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE becomes inescapable. Yes, i agree. That's the point. That's how they're supposed to be used. In close. It's supposed to prevent heavy's and assaults from bull rushing every red arrow they see. That's why they're great. They keep people at arm's length.

If you see someone with a RE, stay farther back. Why is that difficult? You can tell if someone has one, so just stay back.

It's funny that people are so worried about them. When someone has a RE equipped, do you know what they don't have equipped? A gun. So SHOOT THEM!!!!

When I see someone with RE's when I'm a heavy or assault, I salivate like Pavlov's dogs. They're easy kills. Stay farther back, and if they throw one, shoot it. They're not shooting at you, so you have time to blow up all their RE's.

I have yet to hear a good argument as to why RE's as currently built (aside from maybe boosting SP in order to use them) should not be used.

So basically you are saying F U to anyone who uses SMG or Shotgun, because they are CQC only. If your idea about RE is to stay away then SMG/Shotgun users have no chance against someone who is good at quickly jumping hitting R2,R1,L1. That is just ridiculous, a 2 second timer to arm an RE is fine, 2 seconds is still less time than the AR and SMG reload, and this arming time can be reduced through leveling up an RE skill.

I'm saying this and I abuse the f**k out of REs

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.

and why good sir do I need to play by Rock paper scissors? while i am using RE im consistently gettting killed by CQC weapons such as smgs and shotguns because i have light armor and no GUN in my hand if they have just a little range on me i die once they hit me, so i see NO PROBLEM whats so ever.

Aren't explosives supposed to explode? Have you seen an explosion before? It's usually not the size of a candy wrapper.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that function? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

I agree with you on one point and that is that the beta needs work. It is filled with gitches.

But in the meantime, I am showing the worst possible thing someone can do with an RE. If that doesn't catch a Dev's attention, I don't know what will. Maybe if I complained more.

But let's face. I'm not here to get into a fight. I'm standing my side. Whether you or anyone else thinks I am wrong, at least I can say, my opinion never changed and I will stand for what I believe in.

Also, you are making an opinion based on 3 Maps, all of which, mind you, are considered "extremely small' by CCP. I'm sure once the maps are expanded and we have a much broader field of operations, even in their current format, the RE may become obsolete.

I thought so too but apparently ppl still want to stir the pot

It usually takes at least a second or two for them to be detonated when I've used them. I usually have to press L1 a few times before they go off. The timing seems fine.

But out of curiosity: to the RE naysayers, how many times are you guys getting killed by RE's? When I play a heavy or assault, I don't get taken out by them that often.

smart man there

It has a delay, what don't you understand there?

The current delay seems fine. for prototype weapon.

QQ more about something that is obviously there to test it's use to determine the prereq and SP multiplier.

Do you really think CCP plans on having them like they are currently and just lvl 1, no reason to have a full demolitions skill?

I think the power is fine if it's the prototype one. it's a damn explosive.

I think I addressed most of these issues in an earlier post that I made:



To sum it up, almost all of these are non-issues. They aren't problems with REs, they are merely aspects and advantages of using them. I will concede that REs should merely disappear upon death, I didn't mention this issue in my previous post, but I agree that it is a major exploit. As for grenades, you don't have to switch to them and they can be thrown much farther than REs. The other points are addressed above, they are not overpowered in gunfights, players just don't handle the situation correctly.

In the upcoming build Remote Explosive is going to be changed.

Arming time: 5 seconds
Maximum ammo: 2
Lower throw distance
No icon displayed above until it is armed.