DUST Search - How to fix Remote Explosives

STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote:

HD Sniper wrote:

Leave REs alone! They are as they should be. It's called tactics. If your such a badass with ARs then don't try to jump a guy who's within throwing range of REs. The only reason you could agree with the OP is that you get owned by them and aren't smart enough or are unwilling to adjust YOUR gameplay. It's not like they can be thrown 20+ feet. I see people throwing them down and I stay calm and back up while firing...problem sloved. Or toss a nade at their feet it will cause them to suicide...problem solved.

They are BALLANCED for both the attacker and defender.

Please don't get mad when someones tactical advantage gets the better of you, just get smarter. This is how true warriors are built. People who LEARN from their mistakes, make adjustments, and become better, smarter warriors because of it.

Please don't fall into the same mindset as most of the FPS console crowds. "Nerf it it owns me". Please don't water this gmae down to BF and or CoD.

Please keep it fast paced, keep my mind working, keep me on edge. Don't let this turn into another FPS sleeper.

I can play CoD drunk and have a 2.00 KDR. It's weak sauce.

This game as is keeps me on my toes, makes me wanna play another match, then another, and another. It is a challenge. I love to see what tactics I will have to fight against in the next match.

What I learn from each maps changes what I put my SPs into. My character evolves WITH the game, with the players involved and the tactics they employ. This will give the game LOGEVITY.

In other FPSs, before long a "standard" loadout becomes known and everyone runs around with the same guns/perks. BORING!

Rise above this mentality people! Rise and fight what you hate with tactics, not calls for nerfs. Make them think twice about using their tactics. Make THEM fear YOU! Not the other way around.

So what about an SMG or shotgun user? You have to get in close with those weapons and as I stated in the OP the issue isn't the REs damage, radius, or adjusting your tactics. The Issue is the fact that they can be deployed and triggered so quickly that in a CQC situation (which can't be avoided with SMG or Shotgun) Someone losing a gunfight can just throw them in desperation and even if they are killed they can still trigger them. So if you play with CQC weapons and someone does this cheap suicide tactic you can't even get away. The fact that they can be triggered after death along with how quickly they can deployed and triggered, makes them broken.

Look this is a beta and there are many issues, and in order for these issues to be resolved before launch CCP needs our feedback, this isn't about QQing, its about fixing what is broken.


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HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.17 17:02:00 - [1] - Quote Leave REs alone! They are as they should be. It's called tactics. If your such a badass with ARs then don't try to jump a guy who's within throwing range of REs. The only reason you could agree with the OP is that you get owned by them and aren't smart enough or are unwilling to adjust YOUR gameplay. It's not like they can be thrown 20+ feet. I see people throwing them down and I stay calm and back up while firing...problem sloved. Or toss a nade at their feet it will cause them to suicide...problem solved. They are BALLANCED for both the attacker and defender. Please don't get mad when someones tactical advantage gets the better of you, just get smarter. This is how true warriors are built. People who LEARN from their mistakes, make adjustments, and become better, smarter warriors because of it. Please don't fall into the same mindset as most of the FPS console crowds. "Nerf it it owns me". Please don't water this gmae down to BF and or CoD. Please keep it fast paced, keep my mind working, keep me on edge. Don't let this turn into another FPS sleeper. I can play CoD drunk and have a 2.00 KDR. It's weak sauce. This game as is keeps me on my toes, makes me wanna play another match, then another, and another. It is a challenge. I love to see what tactics I will have to fight against in the next match. What I learn from each maps changes what I put my SPs into. My character evolves WITH the game, with the players involved and the tactics they employ. This will give the game LOGEVITY. In other FPSs, before long a "standard" loadout becomes known and everyone runs around with the same guns/perks. BORING! Rise above this mentality people! Rise and fight what you hate with tactics, not calls for nerfs. Make them think twice about using their tactics. Make THEM fear YOU! Not the other way around.
HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:06:00 - [2] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: HD Sniper wrote: Leave REs alone! They are as they should be. It's called tactics. If your such a badass with ARs then don't try to jump a guy who's within throwing range of REs. The only reason you could agree with the OP is that you get owned by them and aren't smart enough or are unwilling to adjust YOUR gameplay. It's not like they can be thrown 20+ feet. I see people throwing them down and I stay calm and back up while firing...problem sloved. Or toss a nade at their feet it will cause them to suicide...problem solved. They are BALLANCED for both the attacker and defender. Please don't get mad when someones tactical advantage gets the better of you, just get smarter. This is how true warriors are built. People who LEARN from their mistakes, make adjustments, and become better, smarter warriors because of it. Please don't fall into the same mindset as most of the FPS console crowds. "Nerf it it owns me". Please don't water this gmae down to BF and or CoD. Please keep it fast paced, keep my mind working, keep me on edge. Don't let this turn into another FPS sleeper. I can play CoD drunk and have a 2.00 KDR. It's weak sauce. This game as is keeps me on my toes, makes me wanna play another match, then another, and another. It is a challenge. I love to see what tactics I will have to fight against in the next match. What I learn from each maps changes what I put my SPs into. My character evolves WITH the game, with the players involved and the tactics they employ. This will give the game LOGEVITY. In other FPSs, before long a "standard" loadout becomes known and everyone runs around with the same guns/perks. BORING! Rise above this mentality people! Rise and fight what you hate with tactics, not calls for nerfs. Make them think twice about using their tactics. Make THEM fear YOU! Not the other way around. So what about an SMG or shotgun user? You have to get in close with those weapons and as I stated in the OP the issue isn't the REs damage, radius, or adjusting your tactics. The Issue is the fact that they can be deployed and triggered so quickly that in a CQC situation (which can't be avoided with SMG or Shotgun) Someone losing a gunfight can just throw them in desperation and even if they are killed they can still trigger them. So if you play with CQC weapons and someone does this cheap suicide tactic you can't even get away. The fact that they can be triggered after death along with how quickly they can deployed and triggered, makes them broken. Look this is a beta and there are many issues, and in order for these issues to be resolved before launch CCP needs our feedback, this isn't about QQing, its about fixing what is broken. If your an smg or shotgun user then you need to figure out your own tactic to deal with it. Why do the game makers have to make a game that fits YOUR playstyle? This is what keeps the game fresh. Guess what each encounter will be different. Not like CoD or BF where you can predict the outcome of any given encounter because everything is nerfed and even. You realize REs cannot be thrown while running or jumping. You have to be walking. If you can't shoot a walking target then YOU have issues. People just get mad when the other player "baits" them. If you fall for it then it's YOUR problem. Play smarter. Then can only throw 5 MAX so dance around corners untill your in a safe spot then blast them. Don't cry when you run headlong for and enemy in a low armor scout dropsuit with your Heavy Machine gun and get blown up cause YOU weren't paying attention. This is just a complaining thread. Again a call for those level headed people to rise above this childish mindset. Get smarter, use tactics. Become better than your opposition. Don't cry foul and ask for NATO rounds.
HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:21:00 - [3] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: ^@HD Sniper (not going to clutter the thread with another big quote) Just a note, you can throw REs while jumping and sometimes while doing a running jump (sometimes it's a bit inconsistent). If your sprint speed is high enough you can chuck them like Frisbees, but I see it as a reasonable benefit to using KCs. I'll have to check it out again but I've never been able to throw them while running and/or jumping. What's the furthest you've ever thrown one? (not trolling...asking).
HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.17 18:31:00 - [4] - Quote RolyatDerTeufel wrote: Longshot Ravenwood wrote: 1st step -- take Remote Explosives away from RolyatDerTeufel 2nd step -- fixed. doing something right. With the abuse i have of this wonderful weapon, I would know a better way to nerf the RE without really requiring a nerf. The ones we have currently need to be advanced or prototype, with a larger prereq before demolitions can be trained. Need to cost more after beta, like alot of stuff will. lvl 1 varient and more varients in general need to be added. No planting animation needed. or shorter distance. Distance is dependent on alot of things. Suit's base speed (no sprint), Jumping, height from which it's thrown. I jump from top of hills and toss a RE, and have gotten for sure over 15 meters in a toss. Probably closer to 20 but i cant be for sure. So people are mad at people "jumping off of hills" to extend throwing distance? lol Ok everyone walk around slowly, no jumping, no tactics, hell make the map flat so we can be SURE that something isn't OP. And if I die it's not me or my tactics, someting is OP. I don't know what but it's OP and it's owning me. Got it. /thread
HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.17 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote So I think what we can gather from this thread is that REs are fine how they are. People just need to L2P.
HD Sniper Algintal Core Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2012.07.18 00:05:00 - [6] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Abron Garr wrote: HD Sniper wrote: So I think what we can gather from this thread is that REs are fine how they are. People just need to L2P. Actually I think we've established that REs need a change in either higher skill requirements or more complicated arming mechanics. No idea what thread you've been reading... +1 -1 All I read was a bunch of jibber jabber about not wanting to L2P and just run up on people not employing any tactics. This is not CoD please don't try to make it CoD. Just go play that instead. Some of us like a deverse game that takes tactics and skill and is not all nerfed to hell so people can run around with reckless abandon. Oh and there were some sensible posts trying to combat that mindless dribble. Again, so REs are fine. Some just need to L2P.