1st step -- take Remote Explosives away from RolyatDerTeufel
2nd step -- fixed.

I'll have to check it out again but I've never been able to throw them while running and/or jumping.

What's the furthest you've ever thrown one? (not trolling...asking).

doing something right.

With the abuse i have of this wonderful weapon, I would know a better way to nerf the RE without really requiring a nerf.
The ones we have currently need to be advanced or prototype, with a larger prereq before demolitions can be trained.

Need to cost more after beta, like alot of stuff will.

lvl 1 varient and more varients in general need to be added.

No planting animation needed. or shorter distance.

Distance is dependent on alot of things. Suit's base speed (no sprint), Jumping, height from which it's thrown.

I jump from top of hills and toss a RE, and have gotten for sure over 15 meters in a toss. Probably closer to 20 but i cant be for sure.

So people are mad at people "jumping off of hills" to extend throwing distance? lol

Ok everyone walk around slowly, no jumping, no tactics, hell make the map flat so we can be SURE that something isn't OP. And if I die it's not me or my tactics, someting is OP. I don't know what but it's OP and it's owning me.

Got it.

/thread

So people are mad at people "jumping off of hills" to extend throwing distance? lol

Ok everyone walk around slowly, no jumping, no tactics, hell make the map flat so we can be SURE that something isn't OP. And if I die it's not me or my tactics, someting is OP. I don't know what but it's OP and it's owning me.

Got it.

/thread

This isn't about jumping, its about the fact that they can be deployed and then instantly triggered. There needs to be some way of arming them, with a grenade its pulling out the clip with these there needs to be an arming time or a planting animation. Running around with live explosives that are triggered with the push of a button on your wrist would be the stupidest way to handle an explosive device.

This isn't about jumping, its about the fact that they can be deployed and then instantly triggered. There needs to be some way of arming them, with a grenade its pulling out the clip with these there needs to be an arming time or a planting animation. Running around with live explosives that are triggered with the push of a button on your wrist would be the stupidest way to handle an explosive device.

So I think what we can gather from this thread is that REs are fine how they are. People just need to L2P.

Actually I think we've established that REs need a change in either higher skill requirements or more complicated arming mechanics. No idea what thread you've been reading...

It usually takes at least a second or two for them to be detonated when I've used them. I usually have to press L1 a few times before they go off. The timing seems fine.

But out of curiosity: to the RE naysayers, how many times are you guys getting killed by RE's? When I play a heavy or assault, I don't get taken out by them that often.

It usually takes at least a second or two for them to be detonated when I've used them. I usually have to press L1 a few times before they go off. The timing seems fine.

But out of curiosity: to the RE naysayers, how many times are you guys getting killed by RE's? When I play a heavy or assault, I don't get taken out by them that often.

I haven't been killed by REs that many times since I mainly use assault rifles. It's only when i'm using my shotgun/assault build that I get killed more often. A clean kill with a shotgun against someone using REs as primaries requires me to attempt to sneak up and take him out before he plants his RE.

The moment he notices me, we are both f***ed. (Because i'll kill him but the RE will detonate anyway, or he will blow himself up along with me)

smart man there

+1

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All I read was a bunch of jibber jabber about not wanting to L2P and just run up on people not employing any tactics. This is not CoD please don't try to make it CoD. Just go play that instead.

Some of us like a deverse game that takes tactics and skill and is not all nerfed to hell so people can run around with reckless abandon.

Oh and there were some sensible posts trying to combat that mindless dribble.

Again, so REs are fine. Some just need to L2P.

+1 Plant with a 1-2 second arming animation, remember the abuse in golden eye?!?!?

You can't ignore the last part of the post though. No weapon should be an instant, "I see you, you are dead no matter what happens to me". Especially against heavies.
No weapon should be able to kill a protoheavy in less than a second. Even forge guns require a delay (charge up time).

With the damage and range REs get compared to other explosives, the user should sacrifice time and ease-of-use. Grenades are easy to use yet are not as powerful as REs. REs are more powerful than grenades yet they are nearly as easy to use. You just have to put up with pressing another button with a split-second delay. (who ever said their REs already have a 1-2 second timer is having input issues on their end or is full of crap)

It has a delay, what don't you understand there?

The current delay seems fine. for prototype weapon.

QQ more about something that is obviously there to test it's use to determine the prereq and SP multiplier.

Do you really think CCP plans on having them like they are currently and just lvl 1, no reason to have a full demolitions skill?

I think the power is fine if it's the prototype one. it's a damn explosive.

Are you an SMG or Shotgun user? It is incredibly easy to dodge REs while in CQC, the blast radius is small enough that you can be completely out of the way before they hit the ground. I have only been killed by an RE in a CQC gunfight 2-3 times, and I use the Breach Shotgun exclusively. The difference is that I also use REs, and know exactly how to kill those that use them. There have been countless times that I've run into someone running in circles throwing REs and easily killed them with no harm to myself.

When I run up to a group of enemies while I'm carrying REs, their deaths are their own fault. In my main fitting, my sprint speed is 9.70m/s, but I have >250HP total. If you die, it is because you weren't aware of your surroundings. If you get blown up in a gunfight, it is because of one of three things: you didn't react quickly enough, you weren't paying attention to your surroundings, or you didn't kill me quickly enough (I die if someone thinks about breathing in my direction, not difficult). The reason people die is that they get so focused on shooting me that they somehow fail to notice that I'm not even carrying a gun, then they again fail to react when I obviously lob a bomb between their legs

I think I addressed most of these issues in an earlier post that I made:



To sum it up, almost all of these are non-issues. They aren't problems with REs, they are merely aspects and advantages of using them. I will concede that REs should merely disappear upon death, I didn't mention this issue in my previous post, but I agree that it is a major exploit. As for grenades, you don't have to switch to them and they can be thrown much farther than REs. The other points are addressed above, they are not overpowered in gunfights, players just don't handle the situation correctly.

I think I addressed most of these issues in an earlier post that I made:



To sum it up, almost all of these are non-issues. They aren't problems with REs, they are merely aspects and advantages of using them. I will concede that REs should merely disappear upon death, I didn't mention this issue in my previous post, but I agree that it is a major exploit. As for grenades, you don't have to switch to them and they can be thrown much farther than REs. The other points are addressed above, they are not overpowered in gunfights, players just don't handle the situation correctly.

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All I read was a bunch of jibber jabber about not wanting to L2P and just run up on people not employing any tactics. This is not CoD please don't try to make it CoD. Just go play that instead.

Some of us like a deverse game that takes tactics and skill and is not all nerfed to hell so people can run around with reckless abandon.

Oh and there were some sensible posts trying to combat that mindless dribble.

Again, so REs are fine. Some just need to L2P.

This isn't about jumping, its about the fact that they can be deployed and then instantly triggered. There needs to be some way of arming them, with a grenade its pulling out the clip with these there needs to be an arming time or a planting animation. Running around with live explosives that are triggered with the push of a button on your wrist would be the stupidest way to handle an explosive device.

In the upcoming build Remote Explosive is going to be changed.

Arming time: 5 seconds
Maximum ammo: 2
Lower throw distance