No offense, but I believe the "fast and furious" gameplay itch should be scratched with grenades, not a pocket full of super nukes.

How about we nerf guns too? lets accept the nerfs too eh? yea didn't think so. If you get killed by a RE deal with it. If you get killed by a grenade deal with it. if you get killed by a super tank deal with it. I dont think i should be able to play how i want to play and not have to go by what the general public wants me to use.

How about we nerf guns too? lets accept the nerfs too eh? yea didn't think so. If you get killed by a RE deal with it. If you get killed by a grenade deal with it. if you get killed by a super tank deal with it. I should be able to play how i want to play and not have to go by what the general public wants me to use.

What will the Swarm launchers, Forge guns, AV mines, and AV grenades be for then?

Goldeneye 64? Is that you?

Here's how to fix them: don't walk over them and get killed. Simple. It's not like they're proximity mines (and I can't wait when those get introduced!).

Seriously, just be on the lookout for them. People seem to think you can just bull rush your way toward an opponent for a kill. When people do that, I RE them into the sky. That's a valid tactic. Adjust. Really not that difficult.

You don't have to walk over them to get killed by one. They have a huge blast radius. Plus the fact REs can be thrown AND they slide after landing. Something IS wrong here. I don't see how anyone can deny it.

REs are not supposed to replace primary weapons. .

Where is it said for that?

As far as i'm informed, CCP has said you can take it anyway you want it.

I've made a request for an equipable knife so i don't need to carry a gun to make the fit valid.

Cause I'm one of those idiots that like to take the game a TOTALLY different way.

But again, no one's ever said what can and cannot be your mainly used weapon.

Another RE thread come and gone.

I say wait for a more true build before we hit everything with the nerf hammer! No ff, no grouping, free vehicles, one map, bad draw distances and spawning. All these need to be addressed then we can start with the QQing over OP weapons.

I've seen plenty of players learning to watch for RE users, they stay away and actually have to aim instead of running straight up to me. Why are you running at me any ways? Keep your distance learn to aim and be patient for another build and use what wwe have any way you can.

Give REs a rest and find another weapon or object to bash for a lil.

RE are over the top at the moment? - and you describe the fix as a mechanic that would allow your team to cover a friendly dropship with RE (Say 8 to 10 guys co-ordinating) and one shot anything on the field, besides the enemy MCC.

So instead of people losing their 50,000 isk infantry fits and QQing they can lose their 250,000 isk vehicle fits.

Well I like it.

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.

and why good sir do I need to play by Rock paper scissors? while i am using RE im consistently gettting killed by CQC weapons such as smgs and shotguns because i have light armor and no GUN in my hand if they have just a little range on me i die once they hit me, so i see NO PROBLEM whats so ever.

Aren't explosives supposed to explode? Have you seen an explosion before? It's usually not the size of a candy wrapper.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that function? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

I agree with you on one point and that is that the beta needs work. It is filled with gitches.

But in the meantime, I am showing the worst possible thing someone can do with an RE. If that doesn't catch a Dev's attention, I don't know what will. Maybe if I complained more.

But let's face. I'm not here to get into a fight. I'm standing my side. Whether you or anyone else thinks I am wrong, at least I can say, my opinion never changed and I will stand for what I believe in.

Also, you are making an opinion based on 3 Maps, all of which, mind you, are considered "extremely small' by CCP. I'm sure once the maps are expanded and we have a much broader field of operations, even in their current format, the RE may become obsolete.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because you're a creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

As someone has pointed out, what seems broken to you could be balanced to others. I don't see a problem with the remote explosives for the following reasons:

1. They sometimes explode prematurely. If you're lucky, you come out alive with barely half armor (insta-dead if you're in a scout suit). I had this happen to me on several occasions. Be careful on how you throw them... they explode too early if you throw them the wrong way.

2. You have no control as to which remote explosive you activate. Rumors are going around that they explode in the order you place them. But my game play experience has taught me that such a rumor is baseless as they all explode (assuming you planted more than one of them) in unison. This means that if I place an explosive on objectives A, B, and C and someone tries to hack A, I can activate the explosives to kill that hacker, but that means another hacker can come in without fear of getting killed the same way. Which brings me to my next point.

3. I have to restock them once I run out. But if the enemy decides to destroy the supply depots, then I am S.O.L. and then forced to get myself killed just to restock. By the time I'm ready to plant more explosives, the objectives will have already been overrun.

4. Let's not forget the threat of a skilled sniper who can one-shot-kill a explosives runner in a scout suit.

5. They can be spotted by other players. It appears that other players have adapted to this technique of planting explosives near the objectives by simple shooting at the explosives before hacking. Sometimes, a grenade that strayed too close or a tank shooting too close can easily trigger the explosives and thus clear a way for people to go through safely.

6. Apparently, their blast radius is not that wide at all. I have tossed several explosives nearby my opponents, but they were just a foot too far for the explosive to work.

7. You can't throw them very far. I can't even throw an RE over a ledge if my life depended on it. They just keep going towards the floor where I stand even when looking up.

As you can see, they are not overpowered in any way. People just so happen to use them in ways that outside their operational design. In Eve Online, an Iteron Mark V (an industrial hauling ship) is able to shoot down a mission-fitted Megathron (a battleship) while fitted with only one energy neutralizer and one small blaster vs. the Megathron's large guns. Then there is the Orca (an industrial command ship) that can face off against a battleship if done properly at the hands of an experienced pilot. Then there is the battleships that can be used as a mining vessel. Then there is the Myrmidon (a Gallente battlecruiser that mainly armor tanks) that can be fitted with just energy neuts and hull tank with reinforced bulkheads.

These are clear-cut examples of tools/ships being used outside of their operational design, which is inevitable no matter what CCP does.

I know what some of you are going to say. "But Maken, you're talking about Eve Online. This is Dust. A different game."

That may be true, but DUST is built by CCP which is the same company that made Eve. According to CCP, Dust's purpose is to expand on Eve's universe. It can operate on its own just like Eve, but it will be operating under Eve's server. But that's besides the point.

Let's also no forget that some DUST mercs have also discovered how to properly fit a tank on a dropship and turn it into something that does live up to its name. A ship that drops. Then there are the LAVs being used to just simply run people over. Wouldn't you run over your opponent if he just so happens to be walking in front of you? And let's also not forget that I have used the dropship for the sole purpose of abandoning it mid-flight by jumping out of the pilot seat and falling down with my inertia cancelers once I'm over my target objective. Never mind the poor souls who just spawned in the dropship just to die in a crash as I bailed out. If I time it right, the dropship could do enough damage to a nearby installation as it crashes into it. And don't get me started on a mercs I have spotted wearing a heavy suit armed only with an assault rifle thinking that their poor excuse for an alternative-assault suit could be of any use.

Actually on the contrary, I don't like staying still in shooters. Sitting anywhere allows the enemy to eventually learn/track your position, when you are constantly moving you become unpredictable and are able to accomplish more than to cautiously wait for one point to finally become obtained. Hacking a point, arming an RE, running to the next point, seeing the point you just hacked blinking because the enemy is attempting to take it back, blowing the charge, and then by that time you are at the next hack point... the enemy is heading towards the point you were just at & believes you are still there because you blew the charge while the point you are going to is left (hopefully) unprotected; but if not assuming there is not a heavy there you easily have the speed (as a scout with catalyzers) to ambush somebody & unload the clip from you smg before they are able to fully react, you then hack that point, set the charge & finally either return to the point you had previously hacked to ensure it is protected until full claim by your team or move on to the next point to rinse & repeat. As I said, I hate staying still, its dangerous, & leaves me open to being flanked or caught in a position I could have avoided if i had just continued to move ducking & weaving in & out of cover.

So people are mad at people "jumping off of hills" to extend throwing distance? lol

Ok everyone walk around slowly, no jumping, no tactics, hell make the map flat so we can be SURE that something isn't OP. And if I die it's not me or my tactics, someting is OP. I don't know what but it's OP and it's owning me.

Got it.

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