How about you state your case in a productive manner.
All I got from that is that you don't think it's fair to nerf REs. But you have to keep in mind REs are not fair to shotguns, smgs and pistols. This game is hoping to have a "rock paper scissors" gameplay. But REs currently don't fit in this gameplay type.

How about you state your case in a productive manner.
All I got from that is that you don't think it's fair to nerf REs. But you have to keep in mind REs are not fair to shotguns, smgs and pistols. This game is hoping to have a "rock paper scissors" gameplay. But REs currently don't fit in this gameplay type.

and why good sir do I need to play by Rock paper scissors? while i am using RE im consistently gettting killed by CQC weapons such as smgs and shotguns because i have light armor and no GUN in my hand if they have just a little range on me i die once they hit me, so i see NO PROBLEM whats so ever.

You need to reread this entire thread. You keep ignoring the issue. No one is accusing anybody of going 40-0 using nothing but RE. Yeah, you guys die a lot and because you can't fight back at medium/long range, my creodron always prevails. I don't doubt that anyone with a little range will kill a person holding explosives in his hand. No one is saying so.

As I've stated before, many times, the issue is the inescapable killzone RE users have that make CQC nearly obsolete. And i'm sure the times you've been killed by CQC it was because A) They snuck up on you and tore through your light armor. Or B) They killed you, but not before you tossed out an RE and killed them in the process.

I like the "adding an arming time" suggestion. Also, how about adding an explosive's resistance skill? That way there's a solid counter to, while keeping RE's useful.

Aren't explosives supposed to explode? Have you seen an explosion before? It's usually not the size of a candy wrapper.

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Reread some of my posts before you post. I clearly state that I don't have an issue with the blast radius or damage. It's the deploy and detonate mechanic that needs work. I should have said that in my last post. Maybe I should copy/paste a disclaimer for all who do not read before posting.

Seems fairly easy to fix. Remove their ability to be thrown, and make them have a flashing red light on them or something. Everything in the game is a gray-brown mishmash, so spotting them is pretty tough. Otherwise, letting people throw them like grenades (just not quite as far) kind of makes a joke out of grenades.

Make them something you can only directly place on surfaces and make them easier to spot when placed and they'll be more more reasonable.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that functions? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

So I can't chuck a large block of explosives, because they are remote mines and I shouldn't be able to do that?
So you're telling me that if I go to war, I should lay my explosive down instead of chucking it into a group of enemies because it's a remote mine and not a grenade.
Ok, let's get realistic here since you really want to get technical:

When you reload a clip, why are you not losing bullets? Why, when you get back to that clip, are the bullets magically refilled? You obviously didn't have time to refill your magazine mid-fire fight, so that should be nerf'd.

Why can I use my dropship as a battering ram? It's a ship. Not a Ram, yet for some ODD reason, I can take down other ships just by slamming into them. Oh, that's also no counting the part where they don't explode on impact.

Hey, how about we address the issue with skills. Why does the same gun I've been using all game suddenly get stronger when I up a skill? The gun didn't change. Am I a magician, injecting my magic into the magazine chamber and blessing the bullets?

Are you seriously suggesting that we dumb the game down because someone found a legitimate tactic that function? Just because people complain? So I shouldn't kill people because they get upset?

Rethink your argument before you question mine.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because your creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because your creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game.

I hope that you will see this too.

restrictions? No

It's how i want to play, fast and furious.

The RE at lvl 1 are OP sure, but they are RE that has a varient that is Cortex.

Heavies i don't waste AR ammo anymore. and Knife would be like all my stamina then my speed is worthless.
I'm not going to waste 2 mags on a heavy with a basic AR

I agree with you on one point and that is that the beta needs work. It is filled with gitches.

But in the meantime, I am showing the worst possible thing someone can do with an RE. If that doesn't catch a Dev's attention, I don't know what will. Maybe if I complained more.

But let's face. I'm not here to get into a fight. I'm standing my side. Whether you or anyone else thinks I am wrong, at least I can say, my opinion never changed and I will stand for what I believe in.

Also, you are making an opinion based on 3 Maps, all of which, mind you, are considered "extremely small' by CCP. I'm sure once the maps are expanded and we have a much broader field of operations, even in their current format, the RE may become obsolete.

Well, then I think we have said all that can be said about the matter at hand and will just have to agree to disagree.

And I just want to be clear, I don't have a problem with you or anything against you

p.s. thanks for the good debate. It's been a while.

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First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because you're a creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

First off it's a video game. No one is making this to be real life, obviously. So don't get too silly with your sarcasm.

My argument is that RE currently do not fit within the gameplay styles of this build. No one is trying to dumb the game down.

In fact, wouldn't taking the time to place what few REs you have require planning and coordination? How is that dumbing the game down?

Since this video game is not real life and you are limited to what the developers allow you to do, we have this thing called balance. Your "tactic" is the result of a mechanical imbalance between weapons. Which is why people are getting upset.
Not because you're a super cool troll
Not because you're a creative genius who revolutionized the way REs are used
But because betas are f***ing frustrating to play. There are tons of imbalances and random crap that needs work. Spawns, dropships, REs, nanite injectors, hmg and a whole bunch of others need work. REs is just one piece of the puzzle.

A lot of people agree and have given very sound arguments as to why REs need this change. You've failed to move me with your arguments because they seem to compose of, and i'm paraphrasing here, "But I wanna do what I wanna do!!!!" Which is why you and others like you constantly avoid the issues we point out. I have read, and reread all that there is to say about this. If you go back to a couple of weeks ago, you will have found me saying the exact opposite. I used to say the same things, "Just be careful man, pay attention". But upon further pondering, I've found that REs do not fit within the mechanics of the game. REs need change and I don't understand how anyone can deny it.

I hope that you will see this too.

Excellent post!

Using REs as grenades does not seem right. RE wh00res misusing them 5 times per suit in this way may be pissy about losing this ability, but it really is only fair. As Varys says, setting up a tactical killzone with pre-planted RE charges is perfectly reasonable. Flinging a pack of RE at a lumbering heavy and detonating it for an instakill is not.

if anything i think REs need a buff. i can't aim a gun, so i have to use cheap instakill grenades whenever i feel threatened, but occasionally i'm still killed in CQC, though i always get revenge on my killer (haha, noob). I think their range should be buffed to 500 m explosion radius like it says, damage should be enough to kill a plated surya, and i should have immunity to the blast. I also think they should be able to be thrown from A to C on the current map, and should have a system that shows me their flight trajectory for better aiming. This is the only logical thing, as the cortex is a variant of REs. /sarcasm

Hey guys. Ever heard of a game called Call of Duty? I think they have a similar issue. Maybe we should nerf them too.

Just an idea.

Maybe we should nerf the sticky grenades in Halo?

How about we nerf assault rifle?

Just because it's not a gun doesn't mean, it isn't legitimate. It's a tactic like anything else. It has weaknesses, it has strengths.

Let's all calm down and stop acting like a bunch of Codfish.

*BTW, as a Firefly, I agree. They are broken, but I have to invest very heavily in my skills to make an effective build that I wont die with every time I throw one*

This whole argument remind me of this:

Even if you don't understand EVE, you will still get this.

What people who complain about RE sound like.