I don't care that they can be thrown or that they slide. My problem is how easily they can be deployed then immediately detonated. Paying attention doesn't help. If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE become inescapable, even if you try to escape the moment he switches to REs. REs currently outrank every weapon designed for close to medium-close range combat. I don't think that's what the developers had in mind for the REs.

Just to be clear, I don't have an issue with their damage or blast radius or the fact they can be thrown, slide or whatever. My issue with the REs is their off balance deploy/detonate mechanics.

IMO, best solution would be to leave as is, but just reduce the throw distance of the RE. Yes it's less than grenades, but should be even less than it is now. Maybe just tossable to like 2m out in front of you.

interesting, I rarley die to RE cause I am not stupid and dont let myself bait into one.

I'm alright with that.
They already only go about 4 / 5 meters without sliding. Sliding goes MAYBE 2 / 3 more meters. in total the possible is 8 meters.
Probably a few more, but that's fine to me.

lol, I figured you'd like that. I don't mind someone running away and tossing one down as they run. If I get blown up running over it as I chase them...my fault/good for them for baiting me.

The problem is if ur in a cqc fight, right now, the RE user can toss it at you as a desperation instakill. If toss distance were only like 1-2m, then they'd literally have to be ON you.

I'm fast enough to be on them and get off in time to kill them with it still. so I'm fine with that.

Still think making the skill for them be edited would be best and add in more varients for AV purposes and different radius' and such. Cause it makes since to the stuff already there.

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Lots of interesting ideas for how to "fix" RE. Some are decent, some are flat out stupid and make the RE useless.
IMO, RE doesn't really need a nerf to power/radius. Adding a min time to "arm" or a longish "plant" animation would make them damn near useless.
IMO, best solution would be to leave as is, but just reduce the throw distance of the RE. Yes it's less than grenades, but should be even less than it is now. Maybe just tossable to like 2m out in front of you.

If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE becomes inescapable. Yes, i agree. That's the point. That's how they're supposed to be used. In close. It's supposed to prevent heavy's and assaults from bull rushing every red arrow they see. That's why they're great. They keep people at arm's length.

If you see someone with a RE, stay farther back. Why is that difficult? You can tell if someone has one, so just stay back.

It's funny that people are so worried about them. When someone has a RE equipped, do you know what they don't have equipped? A gun. So SHOOT THEM!!!!

When I see someone with RE's when I'm a heavy or assault, I salivate like Pavlov's dogs. They're easy kills. Stay farther back, and if they throw one, shoot it. They're not shooting at you, so you have time to blow up all their RE's.

I have yet to hear a good argument as to why RE's as currently built (aside from maybe boosting SP in order to use them) should not be used.

Making a plant animation would not make the RE useless. You would still be able to bait people into a trap. You can still place RE on roads to cripple an HAV or destroy an LAV, the finish it off with a swarm launcher. You can still trap paths players frequently cross. You can still trap objectives and installations. You guys want to do everything you can to keep REs the way they are now. This is a beta and we are supposed to be calling out mechanical imbalances like this.

Seriously, i've used REs for a while (I had to remove them from my popular fits due to CPU/PG requirements) and I don't see how anyone can deny that they are being used the wrong way.

PS, I'm open to the last part of you're post (reducing throw distance). That may make it easier to escape.

THey can add variants too, prob will make things interesting.

And hey, if you can jump onto a guy, drop a RE at his feet, and then get away and blow it up... that's skill, and you deserve the kill.
It would still fix the mechanic of the RE, because the majority of RE users, aren't skillful enough to be able to do that.

Give them a set up time of some sort. 5 second timer till the RE can be triggered perhaps

If you are close enough to the enemy, the blast from an RE becomes inescapable. Yes, i agree. That's the point. That's how they're supposed to be used. In close. It's supposed to prevent heavy's and assaults from bull rushing every red arrow they see. That's why they're great. They keep people at arm's length.

If you see someone with a RE, stay farther back. Why is that difficult? You can tell if someone has one, so just stay back.

It's funny that people are so worried about them. When someone has a RE equipped, do you know what they don't have equipped? A gun. So SHOOT THEM!!!!

When I see someone with RE's when I'm a heavy or assault, I salivate like Pavlov's dogs. They're easy kills. Stay farther back, and if they throw one, shoot it. They're not shooting at you, so you have time to blow up all their RE's.

I have yet to hear a good argument as to why RE's as currently built (aside from maybe boosting SP in order to use them) should not be used.

So basically you are saying F U to anyone who uses SMG or Shotgun, because they are CQC only. If your idea about RE is to stay away then SMG/Shotgun users have no chance against someone who is good at quickly jumping hitting R2,R1,L1. That is just ridiculous, a 2 second timer to arm an RE is fine, 2 seconds is still less time than the AR and SMG reload, and this arming time can be reduced through leveling up an RE skill.

I'm saying this and I abuse the f**k out of REs

Well said. RE in it's current state make any close quarter weapon redundant. This creates an imbalance in gameplay mechanics. It needs to be fixed beyond prerequisites and whatever slap-on-the-wrist nerf you can think of.

losing a gun fight? wtf is a gun fight i only know how to throw bombs

Did they have a delay last build? i never used them myself but I think I remember someone talking about it during a game once.

No, last game they had a nasty way of "sympathetically detonate" if you dropped a few in the same spot. Usually as you were deploying them.
They ought to bring that back. RE's should be area denial weapons. not anti tank ones. And the damage of the higher tier ones ARE too high. Theoretically 5 of those can do 12K damage in a single blast if grouped.

Bomberman bomberman does whatever a bomber can.

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.

i say take away all guns explosives and vehicles leave just knives. problem fixed.