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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:07:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:A small idea I had.
How about increasing light weapon fitting requirements by 35%, and giving Assaults/Commandos a corresponding fitting reduction?
Sidearms become a low CPU/PG option for non slayer suits, Heavies will be less likely to use those with the CPU/PG reduction and Heavy weapon fitting bonuses.
This makes Sidearm vs Light weapon an actual choice, rather than some fun fitting you run once in a while.
Non slayer suits that want the same slaying power would have to do sacrifices, just like non scouts trying to fit cloaks.
This is a terrible terrible idea. Logis need to stay alive and in a dust where rail rifles can engage within 80 meters, and HMGs destroy you close range, which should i give up HP or equipment just to be able to shoot back. This would rather encourage me to become a slayer logi. i simply cannot risk my good equipment and suit on 1 side arm, (which would only be either the magsec or smg) so i might as well ditch the equipment and go for kills.
Cant we just buff the assaults without destroying the other suits.
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:20:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:A selling point on logi equipment balance at PRO. If passive scans are removed, then it will be the logi's job to scan. Getting that extra scanner at PRO for the amarr and caldari will be helpful. That still doesn't make loosing a side arm slot any easier if I have to now go & save SP for proto scanners. This isn't an argument in favor of the logi suit being balanced for a logi role. If your complaint is that "my SP I spent on weapon effectivness now makes my logi less effective as a logi" isn't really valid. The point of the tweak is to make logis play their logi/support role, and assaults be worthwhile in their niche.
The "tweak" doesn't do that however. It doesn't make assault suits any less viable to leave the Amarr logi thier sidearm. Its probably one of the best unique trade offs in the game. You're slow, a big target and the only thing you're good at is dropping uplinks. One less equpiment slot. Yet you get a sidearm for when things get hairy. In line with the (eve lore) unrelenting nature of Ammar military philosphy.
It's also evident that amarr logis have NEVER been FOTM. Only the Caldari logis and gallente logis have been exploited as slayers. So its hard to claim that the amarr logi sidearm affects the assault role, when its was the logis without sidearms that were doing it.
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 12:38:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:[quote=Tesfa Alem]
Maybe "abuse" is the wrong word but I do agree with them, placing a bed of hives and then swapping out to a heavy brick seems like a misuse of a bad mechanic?
I don't think so. Even the situation you mentioned is easily counterable, flux the spot and spray. And i like having my options so if i see a tanked heavy siting in a nest of hives i can switch out to my mass drive min comando if he's in the open and pummel him from range or sneak behing his stationary butt and R.E. him in my gal scout or rep a friendly heavy as we charge his position in my winmatar logi or take him down my self in a sentinel with flux grendaes.
Cant take my cal logi or a gal logi to fight him though. 1 way trip for the amar scout. And if they nerf the A logi sidearms i'll just have to throw my uplinks at him like frisebee buzzsaws 
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 13:33:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A small idea I had.
How about increasing light weapon fitting requirements by 35%, and giving Assaults/Commandos a corresponding fitting reduction?
Sidearms become a low CPU/PG option for non slayer suits, Heavies will be less likely to use those with the CPU/PG reduction and Heavy weapon fitting bonuses.
This makes Sidearm vs Light weapon an actual choice, rather than some fun fitting you run once in a while.
Non slayer suits that want the same slaying power would have to do sacrifices, just like non scouts trying to fit cloaks. This is a terrible terrible idea. Logis need to stay alive and in a dust where rail rifles can engage within 80 meters, and HMGs destroy you close range, which should i give up HP or equipment just to be able to shoot back. This would rather encourage me to become a slayer logi. i simply cannot risk my good equipment and suit on 1 side arm, (which would only be either the magsec or smg) so i might as well ditch the equipment and go for kills. Cant we just buff the assaults without destroying the other suits. Then downgrade from a Duvolle to a GEK? Is it really too much to ask for? I was using GEK's for a long time on my Gallente Assault suit ya know. WIth maxed fitting skills.
I 'm talking about struggling to scrape ADV weapons onto the suits. PG and cpu is already razor thin. I build my logis around the equipment and HP but thinking along your lines would make me build around the weapon. Ethier an standard or mlt light weapon or SMG with low HP and good equipment or become a better slayer than assaults with a duvolle with survivable suit but crappy equipment.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:45:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A small idea I had.
How about increasing light weapon fitting requirements by 35%, and giving Assaults/Commandos a corresponding fitting reduction?
Sidearms become a low CPU/PG option for non slayer suits, Heavies will be less likely to use those with the CPU/PG reduction and Heavy weapon fitting bonuses.
This makes Sidearm vs Light weapon an actual choice, rather than some fun fitting you run once in a while.
Non slayer suits that want the same slaying power would have to do sacrifices, just like non scouts trying to fit cloaks. This is a terrible terrible idea. Logis need to stay alive and in a dust where rail rifles can engage within 80 meters, and HMGs destroy you close range, which should i give up HP or equipment just to be able to shoot back. This would rather encourage me to become a slayer logi. i simply cannot risk my good equipment and suit on 1 side arm, (which would only be either the magsec or smg) so i might as well ditch the equipment and go for kills. Cant we just buff the assaults without destroying the other suits. Then downgrade from a Duvolle to a GEK? Is it really too much to ask for? I was using GEK's for a long time on my Gallente Assault suit ya know. WIth maxed fitting skills. I 'm talking about struggling to scrape ADV weapons onto the suits. PG and cpu is already razor thin. I build my logis around the equipment and HP but thinking along your lines would make me build around the weapon. Ethier an standard or mlt light weapon or SMG with low HP and good equipment or become a better slayer than assaults with a duvolle with survivable suit but crappy equipment. Great, then you can't have both slayer, tank and equipment power  Scouts will be affected by that too, so don't worry about that hehe.
not being able to fight back with my equipment will force me to be a dedicated slayer with higher HP and a proto gun. I mean since dust is overrun with minmatar logis killing everything left right and center
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Tesfa Alem
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:48:00 -
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Syeven Reed wrote:Tesfa Alem wrote:Syeven Reed wrote:
Maybe "abuse" is the wrong word but I do agree with them, placing a bed of hives and then swapping out to a heavy brick seems like a misuse of a bad mechanic?
I don't think so. Even the situation you mentioned is easily counterable, flux the spot and spray. And i like having my options so if i see a tanked heavy siting in a nest of hives i can switch out to my mass drive min comando if he's in the open and pummel him from range or sneak behing his stationary butt and R.E. him in my gal scout or rep a friendly heavy as we charge his position in my winmatar logi or take him down my self in a sentinel with flux grendaes. Cant take my cal logi or a gal logi to fight him though. 1 way trip for the amar scout. And if they nerf the A logi sidearms i'll just have to throw my uplinks at him like frisebee buzzsaws How do you switch to your mass driver if he has the supply depot?
I use the other supply depot.
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