With forced animation it makes sense, its just it wasnt mentioned in the post.

Been testing out bpo dragonfly scout suit, fitting even the most basic junk on it and still being able to take out protos, and advanced.

Running basic cloak, militia shotty, militia cpu module. Cost 4k total. No skills into shotguns or scout suits.

It seems scouts have the best of both worlds stealthy and damage, though its the stealth which allows them to get in close to cause the damage. So doing something to one or the other wont work in my eyes.


The problem seems to be that other suits need to lose all the modules they usually use in place of profile amps and precisions just to see them or try to hide from them. They need to either be hard to find, or be able spot enemies easily, not both least not on the same suit. Make 2 suits good at hiding and 2 good at spotting.

I know people are going to say they are scouts and thats there role, but i think taking one advantage away like that may balance them out without taking something that will cripple them away.


Anywho, I dont have much problem with them since Im testing a radarfit which is able to spot any scout cloaked or not, my only downside is i cant hide from them at the same time, which in turn is why im unable to constantly ruin scouts plans, (which is good) I dont want 100% counter to them, though some wps for bring a dedicated radar would be nice, not sure how but yeah.

I tried to keep it short, just my thoughts.


What do scout users think of that?, no need to be nasty about either. Sacrificing either stealthiness, or your scanning precision depending on your scout suit. So that you dont have both, instead of a damage, slot or something else nerf?

I think it sounds reasonable

My question is should all scouts have similar fitting issues to the minmatar or should minmatar be brought up to the rest of the class?

You QQers do realize your crying about being killed in shotgun range by a shotgun. Cloak is only used to get into shotgun range.

Why is everyone suggesting to pay attention to the crosshair turning red as the counter for spotting cloaks. It sounds good in theory but practically, you can't afford to be concentrating on your crosshair all the time.

Anyone who thinks the cloak makes you invisible is just not paying attention. Far too many people see me pretty easily at range. If any change needs to happen to the cloak it is to reduce the shimmer, at least when crouched. We have the most visible cloaked players in any FPS that I have played.

Anyone who thinks the cloak makes you invisible is just not paying attention. Far too many people see me pretty easily at range. If any change needs to happen to the cloak it is to reduce the shimmer, at least when crouched. We have the most visible cloaked players in any FPS that I have played.

IWS of CCP:
''On the table
*Cloak fitting is on the table still.
*Cloak decloak speed.
*Cloak charge rate internally
*Cloak electronic stealth value''

Dont waste your time.
Fitting is OK.Scout bonus is ok.
Decloak speed could be immediate.As soon as one presses the change weapon button the cloak is removed before one can shoot.BUT I GUARANTEE YOU 100%, this wont stop the complaints at all. This is just some random excuse people are using to call the cloak OP, but the truth is, 90% of the times a scout attacks from behind,where making visual contact is impossible for the victim even without cloak,
Charge rate and duration are fine
Removal of 25% profile damp might go, but not important.

Dont waste your time nerfing the only thing you guys at CCP have released that actually works. Concentrate on the next equipment, the next vevhicles the next whatever and ignore the few inconsistent complains of a minority trying to justify their deaths.

thats all.

Time wasn't wasted.

The fitting issue is separate topic at this moment and needs it own discussion.

Decloak speed wont alter much of the game play still as scouts will quickly learn on how to covertly decloak out of earshot and still put two fresh plasma slugs into the back.

Stealth Value is looking like a more acceptable nerf by the day. If scouts want to really go unseen they should look towards fitting damps. This is currently based on how people have nearly stopped using scanners; how even some super fitted scan scouts still can't see these guys cloaked.

Management of charge right now is nearly mindless. The time cloaked can be nearly equal to the time spent engaging making running out of cloak or waiting on the cloak a non issue with the weaker cloaks (which is probably discouraging the use of the prototype)

Rest of the things are going to require a patch if ever seriously considered.

Cloaks have to be fun for the people who are not cloaking, currently its not; not by a long shot.

Time wasn't wasted.

The fitting issue is separate topic at this moment and needs it own discussion.

Decloak speed wont alter much of the game play still as scouts will quickly learn on how to covertly decloak out of earshot and still put two fresh plasma slugs into the back.

Stealth Value is looking like a more acceptable nerf by the day. If scouts want to really go unseen they should look towards fitting damps. This is currently based on how people have nearly stopped using scanners; how even some super fitted scan scouts still can't see these guys cloaked.

Management of charge right now is nearly mindless. The time cloaked can be nearly equal to the time spent engaging making running out of cloak or waiting on the cloak a non issue with the weaker cloaks (which is probably discouraging the use of the prototype)

Rest of the things are going to require a patch if ever seriously considered.

Cloaks have to be fun for the people who are not cloaking, currently its not; not by a long shot.

1) The fitting issue is separate topic at this moment and needs it own discussion.

2) Decloak speed wont alter much of the game play still as scouts will quickly learn on how to covertly decloak out of earshot and still put two fresh plasma slugs into the back.

3) Stealth Value is looking like a more acceptable nerf by the day. If scouts want to really go unseen they should look towards fitting damps. This is currently based on how people have nearly stopped using scanners; how even some super fitted scan scouts still can't see these guys cloaked.

4) Management of charge right now is nearly mindless. The time cloaked can be nearly equal to the time spent engaging making running out of cloak or waiting on the cloak a non issue with the weaker cloaks (which is probably discouraging the use of the prototype)

5) Rest of the things are going to require a patch if ever seriously considered. Cloaks have to be fun for the people who are not cloaking, currently its not; not by a long shot.

Cloaks have to be fun for the people who are not cloaking, currently its not; not by a long shot.

Management of charge right now is nearly mindless. The time cloaked can be nearly equal to the time spent engaging making running out of cloak or waiting on the cloak a non issue with the weaker cloaks (which is probably discouraging the use of the prototype)

This part struck a cord with me.

Exmaple wrote a few months back that what he missed most was the time when dang-near everything was deadly. In Chromosome, there was a distinct lack of "best" options. From suits to weapons, a merc had a number of extremely effective things to choose among. This fact made for a diverse battlefield, and it made combat more interesting.

Uprising has had its ups and downs, but for the better past of a year it has not been diverse. For months on end, 9/10 mercs in any battle ran Rifles. And until just recently, 9/10 mercs in any battle ran Med Frames.

Look at the battlefield around you. There are Heavies, Scouts, Tanks, Dropships, Logis, Assaults. Look at the killfeed. It no longer reads Duvolle, Gek, Duvolle, Exile.

Indeed, certain items could use some polish, but the changing landscape is clear indication that we are moving in the right direction.

Thank you, CCP, for reshaping the battlefield.

Well the stealthing issue itself is pretty bad overall because other classes is incapable of countering and it does require swapping classes in order to counter. This could be solved in maintaining diversity by having players squadding up but this leads to the unhealthy behavior of command mandating a squad member MUST run a cal scan scout and chances are they're not going to recruit a new scrub to do this. Instead they're going to force one player of the squad to change careers.

As for the whole domino effect the way I see things is more of a ripple in a small pond, eventually the ripples will hit the outside and make their way back in. The way back in is what concerns me the most because this is what the player adaption turns into; the FOTM syndrome. Right now the ripples are still expanding with very few parts of the ripple hitting back; but based on previous player behavior there will be a shift; it hasn't happened yet, and when it does the number of complaints will manifest that may result in a unhealthy nerf overall as players are going to call for an unreasonable altercation.

In observatorium, the number of complaints about people getting shot while cloaked are near nil and it is impossible to believe all cloakers are reasonable sort of folk able to accept getting shot while cloaked was their fault. Thus frequency of the incident is not high enough to trigger the complaints.

Now basing everything on complaints isn't the best way of going about doing things but it does paint pictures if you base the frequency of said complaints. It generally means the player is feeling like they're being punished most fo the time and its well above and beyond their control; of course there is always the scrubs. Frequency of complaints means also goes inversely meaning that eventually you will have reasonable people complaining about the issue as well.

But like I said the ripple hasn't fully reverberated yet. Not everyone went with cal scout; not everyone has max scanner skills; but chances are if cal scout does oddly get popular; you will see the complaints about getting shot while cloak picking up hopefully. To which I still think the lack of suit teiricide is compounding the issue massively on the simple grounds that the basic tech level suits simply don't have the slots to deal with the issue.

I mean all this talk about 'weapons x should do less damage with cloak equipped' and the similar scares me and I rather not have it go that way at all if possible.

The scanner system needs a massive overhaul imo ><

Sensors should not be a game of absolutes where if you don't have x fitting number you get detected.

Should be more like because you have this number would determine the possibility of getting detected at this range.

Sensors play a part, but whether or not an act goes undetected is already a complicated calculus.

Sight, Sound, Squadsight, Coms, Friendly Action, Hostile Action, Distraction, Orientation, Elevation, Fields of Vision ... there's generally alot more at play than what one may gather should he focus solely on his minimap.

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Yes but lets say I sensor out my heavy for point defense, because currently the sensor field is a game of absolutes I can still never see some targets on my minimap because the rule doesn't allow for it.

But if the sensors where to turn into a game of time and range; things get interesting.