Not a good idea
I want to be completely invisible for my sealth fit.

I am also seriously honestly believing that making the whole 'cloak match to action' is not going to change people getting shot by people they are not even going to see in the first place typically from the back. Fixing this is more of a consistency issue but will not resolve complaints.

Cloaks are fun with the exception of a certain bug that make them un-fun. Hunting for cloaked enemies adds a new challenge to the game and feels incredibly gratifying when you down a cloaked enemy.

Now some people are of the opinion that the bug that allows you to fire a couple of shots before you begin to decloak isn't a big deal. And they are partially right. If the bug is fixed and a cloaked player sneaks up on a unsuspecting target, the outcome remains unchanged.

But please consider another scenario: The cloaked player has failed at stealth and the enemy is searching for them. To hide from the enemy, the cloaked player stops moving to make themselves as least visible as possible. But it only partially works, the enemy knows that the cloaked player is somewhere in front of them, but not the exact location. The enemy begins scanning the area with their reticule and checking for visual distortions; it's only a matter of time before the cloaked player is located. But wait, what's this?! The enemy is dead, the cloaked player fired a couple of rounds into the enemy before beginning to decloak thanks to a bugged mechanic.

In this scenario, the enemy should have had a sporting chance to fight the cloaked player. But because of the bugged mechanic, the enemy is downed from a virtually invisible source of gunfire in front of them. The bugged mechanic is rewarding the cloaked player who failed at stealth. This bug is not a small issue.

Edit: Corrected the part about cloaked player being invisible to practically invisible.

Hmm I wouldn't say nerf the cloaks via tiered reduction in sensor damps but maybe provide a line of cloaks that offers the bonus (but gains no charge capacity) in the manner proposed and remove the damp bonus from all other cloaks.

I am also seriously honestly believing that making the whole 'cloak match to action' is not going to change people getting shot by people they are not even going to see in the first place typically from the back. Fixing this is more of a consistency issue but will not resolve complaints.

if its fixed: moving in a complex count to five and Crazy Ivan manuever check your six and nothing , continue moving in a complex and Crazy Ivan manuever check your six and nothing, continue moving in a complex and Crazy Ivan manuever check your six and AHA!!!!!!! got you!!!! +50 dead shotgun scout

versus

if its NOT fixed:

middle finger to dust 514
checks to see if Playstation 4 is in stock

gets Playstation 4 beta Destiny,Playstation 4 beta Doom

Been testing out bpo dragonfly scout suit, fitting even the most basic junk on it and still being able to take out protos, and advanced.

Running basic cloak, militia shotty, militia cpu module. Cost 4k total. No skills into shotguns or scout suits.

It seems scouts have the best of both worlds stealthy and damage, though its the stealth which allows them to get in close to cause the damage. So doing something to one or the other wont work in my eyes.


The problem seems to be that other suits need to lose all the modules they usually use in place of profile amps and precisions just to see them or try to hide from them. They need to either be hard to find, or be able spot enemies easily, not both least not on the same suit. Make 2 suits good at hiding and 2 good at spotting.

I know people are going to say they are scouts and thats there role, but i think taking one advantage away like that may balance them out without taking something that will cripple them away.


Anywho, I dont have much problem with them since Im testing a radarfit which is able to spot any scout cloaked or not, my only downside is i cant hide from them at the same time, which in turn is why im unable to constantly ruin scouts plans, (which is good) I dont want 100% counter to them, though some wps for bring a dedicated radar would be nice, not sure how but yeah.

I tried to keep it short, just my thoughts.


What do scout users think of that?, no need to be nasty about either. Sacrificing either stealthiness, or your scanning precision depending on your scout suit. So that you dont have both, instead of a damage, slot or something else nerf?

I think it sounds reasonable

stuff.

When is CPM1 elections again?

1) Minmatar fittings are fine, actually they have too much CPU. FIX SHIELD EXTENDER FITTINGS. Shield extenders belong on the suits with the most CPU and least PG, why do they take about the same PG as plates? Oh and switch kin-cats and damage mods (make kincats high slots and damage mods low slots).


2)Cloaks make you harder to see visually, dampners make you harder to see on scanners. Why do cloaks get a free dampner? Why do cloaks have no penalty? Plates effect HP, extenders effect recharge time, kincats/EWAR means sacrificing HP, Dampners sacrifice nothing.

3) Brick tanking has everything to do with the tanking modules themselves, not the individual suits. (1 militia mod can add ~40+% HP to a scout, ~25% to an assault or ~10% to a sentinel.) This means that because of similar slot numbers, suits end up with similar eHP. So either nerf the slot number (don't do this) or modify tanking modules so that base eHP values actually do matter.

Note: Edited the OP; the original can be found quoted below in other posts


So TL;DR

Off the table.
*Minmatar fitting underpar should be forwarded, let ccp figure the numbers out for that.
*Brick Tanking is off the table. Better suited for 1.9 discussion due to size and complexity of subject
*Cloak Charge bar being externally altered by other players.
*Potential Shimmer
*Cloak Stealth Mechanics

On the table
1) *Cloak fitting is on the table still.
2) *Cloak decloak speed.
3) *Cloak charge rate internally
4) *Cloak electronic stealth value

Updated Op with change in discussion.

3) Brick tanking has everything to do with the tanking modules themselves, not the individual suits. (1 militia mod can add ~40+% HP to a scout, ~25% to an assault or ~10% to a sentinel.) This means that because of similar slot numbers, suits end up with similar eHP. So either nerf the slot number (don't do this) or modify tanking modules so that base eHP values actually do matter.

I think this is relevant.

By this do you mean; light mods, medium mods, and heavy mods? Reminds me of eve mods, but in a good way. We should have something like this. The fitting Asset window would be a bit of b*tch though.

Problem with that system is it requires an order of fitting in the 1's 10's and 100's to make sense in the same way eve orders it because you don't want everyone in heavy suits and you don't want light suits full fitting the heaviest (and prototype level) reppers.

For example

Light repper 5 pg 1 cpu
Medium repper 50 pg 10 cpu
Heavy repper 500 pg 10 cpu.

Scout under this model would likely only have 40 pg.

Sorry to double post, but one more thing about the profile/scanning situation. I like it now as there are many more options and uncertainty. Before 1.8 it was easy to calculate or look up exactly what level of dampening you need. Now it is situational. Any amount of dampening is useful but not essential. I choose to go from no dampeners to 2. But equally many people might feel happy with the level of protection 1 dampener offers. There is no prescribed correct profile level. This makes the whole scanning meta game much more interesting than it was in 1.7 and I think it would be a real shame to mess it up. The cloak on/off extra dampening just adds to the interesting ewar situation.

leave cloaks as they are, they work well and changing anything will more than likly ruin them forever, They aren broken so dont wast time trying to fix them. How about you CPM get us some new game modes and maps or the rest of the racial vehicles

Number of threads generated a daily suggests otherwise... And the majority if I was to use such base means wants cloaks deleted.

Also I am not a game designer; nor product owner, I cannot dictate development energy.