If anything, the cloak is too easy for other suits to fit. It is not easy for a scout to fit a proto cloak unless you are proto and fully skilled out.

If you aren't max core skills and lv 5 scout, you are not going to have an easy time fitting a cloak without making a sacrifice. The ninja scout in particular can either speed tank, or stealth tank. You can't do both, and this is with core skills 5.

The real problems here are unfinished assault suit stats, and armor plating usage.


Other than that- the cloak QQ is just that.. QQ. There is no question that the cloak is very visible to visual ID, and that using your reticule to sweep an area makes it bang on easy to find cloakers. If you can't see or find a cloaker, then you have to readjust how you pay attention to your surroundings in game. That is the only other problem aside from the glitches. Players being too lazy to use their eyeballs.


It is way too soon to talk about changing the cloak. This is just a hysterical response to something that is new, and also glitched right now. Fix the bugs first.

Nerfing is OP, bug fixing is UP. Way too UP.

If you get shot in the face from a cloaked- You could have seen him if you were looking and really should pay more attention to your surroundings. You can easily visibly ID cloaked and moving targets. Your reticle is also a key and powerful tool in sweeping for cloaked enemies.

People just need to relearn tactics. This cloak QQ is born of laziness to adapt to a changing battlefield. Get in a squad, unless you know how to solo, and have a scout in your squad to help you ID threats.

That's actually a good point. But then one must pose the question, why is there a shimmer when you get shot? I'm going with the possibility that when you shoot at someone, you do damage to the actual device that creates the cloaking field. And with that, they should decloak.

Well the stealthing issue itself is pretty bad overall because other classes is incapable of countering and it does require swapping classes in order to counter. This could be solved in maintaining diversity by having players squadding up but this leads to the unhealthy behavior of command mandating a squad member MUST run a cal scan scout and chances are they're not going to recruit a new scrub to do this. Instead they're going to force one player of the squad to change careers.

As for the whole domino effect the way I see things is more of a ripple in a small pond, eventually the ripples will hit the outside and make their way back in. The way back in is what concerns me the most because this is what the player adaption turns into; the FOTM syndrome. Right now the ripples are still expanding with very few parts of the ripple hitting back; but based on previous player behavior there will be a shift; it hasn't happened yet, and when it does the number of complaints will manifest that may result in a unhealthy nerf overall as players are going to call for an unreasonable altercation.

In observatorium, the number of complaints about people getting shot while cloaked are near nil and it is impossible to believe all cloakers are reasonable sort of folk able to accept getting shot while cloaked was their fault. Thus frequency of the incident is not high enough to trigger the complaints.

Now basing everything on complaints isn't the best way of going about doing things but it does paint pictures if you base the frequency of said complaints. It generally means the player is feeling like they're being punished most fo the time and its well above and beyond their control; of course there is always the scrubs. Frequency of complaints means also goes inversely meaning that eventually you will have reasonable people complaining about the issue as well.

But like I said the ripple hasn't fully reverberated yet. Not everyone went with cal scout; not everyone has max scanner skills; but chances are if cal scout does oddly get popular; you will see the complaints about getting shot while cloak picking up hopefully. To which I still think the lack of suit teiricide is compounding the issue massively on the simple grounds that the basic tech level suits simply don't have the slots to deal with the issue.

I mean all this talk about 'weapons x should do less damage with cloak equipped' and the similar scares me and I rather not have it go that way at all if possible.

If you think the cloak is invisible it is likely a TV issue. On some TV's may find it difficult to notice them, but to others they are bright shimmering targets that get shot at from a distance.

Even with profile dampeners, and not being scanned, just see you as an obvious target ad kill you from far away.

Cloaks require you to stand still if you really want to stay hidden, and they are vulnerable to scans. I see cloaked players standing still often enough with my passive scan alone. Often trying to bad tanked fit... There are easy tactics to making cloaked players exposed. Try a grenade if you are unsure, just as if you thought there might be some RE's hidden. They do run out, you could try standing still like a person did with me yesterday. He just waited out my cloak time.

Plain and simple, there are work around and tactics to use. Quit crying for hand holding and try thinking and figuring out the balance.