Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Starts hack in one of those nook capture points;
turn around
wait
profit.

Exactly, its the same with remotes, start hack or throw nade move away then go again, does that make remotes spineless? Lol.
All it takes is a simple 180 or another person to watch your back, that knows that going for the hack points can get u both killed.

Obtaining the objective is better then a 100wp , even if u die protecting the hacker, those few extra seconds make or break the obtained objective.

problem is it works on more often on non cloaked targets.

Scouts with 700armor and 120shields and a clock are OP. A scout(a light frame drop suite) should not have the possibility to tank HP like assaults.

If you think the cloak is invisible it is likely a TV issue. On some TV's may find it difficult to notice them, but to others they are bright shimmering targets that get shot at from a distance.

Even with profile dampeners, and not being scanned, just see you as an obvious target ad kill you from far away.

Cloaks require you to stand still if you really want to stay hidden, and they are vulnerable to scans. I see cloaked players standing still often enough with my passive scan alone. Often trying to bad tanked fit... There are easy tactics to making cloaked players exposed. Try a grenade if you are unsure, just as if you thought there might be some RE's hidden. They do run out, you could try standing still like a person did with me yesterday. He just waited out my cloak time.

Plain and simple, there are work around and tactics to use. Quit crying for hand holding and try thinking and figuring out the balance.

If you think the cloak is invisible it is likely a TV issue. On some TV's may find it difficult to notice them, but to others they are bright shimmering targets that get shot at from a distance.

Even with profile dampeners, and not being scanned, just see you as an obvious target ad kill you from far away.

Cloaks require you to stand still if you really want to stay hidden, and they are vulnerable to scans. I see cloaked players standing still often enough with my passive scan alone. Often trying to bad tanked fit... There are easy tactics to making cloaked players exposed. Try a grenade if you are unsure, just as if you thought there might be some RE's hidden. They do run out, you could try standing still like a person did with me yesterday. He just waited out my cloak time.

Plain and simple, there are work around and tactics to use. Quit crying for hand holding and try thinking and figuring out the balance.

Starts hack in one of those nook capture points;
turn around
wait
profit.

So, wait, it keeps hacking when you turn around?

I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!!!

No but starting the hack tricks people into checking the console out making sure its okay. A variation is to stat the hack walk out of the nook and watch a guy round the corner and blind shoot into the nook thinking there is a scout there.

Cloak helps bad players be decent players...period. There is no other piece of equipment, module, racial bonus, fit, etc. that does that. I don't know what needs to be done but something does need to be changed. I run the cloak myself and have some serious success. A success that I would not have had if I didn't run the cloak and ran normal scout. No, I am not a bad player but I am an average player that is now getting good to great player level results. There is a serious balance issue. not to mention that if you are brand new to the game and skill 1 point into cloak, 3 into light suits, and 3 into scout suits you will barely be able to have a complete fit if you pop on a basic cloak. If you only skill 1 into scout suits and 1 into cloak, you won't be able to fit the cloak AT ALL. So new players getting merc'd by cloaks can't even attempt to emulate it until they hit closer to 2 or 3 mil SP. There are problems with it. I just don't know what the fix should be. Personally, I think a strong start is to reduce the 15% reduction to CPU/PG usage to 7% and then change the cloak skill itself to 7% reduction per skill point. It takes a lot less skill points to get that 5 in the cloak skill then it does to go to level 5 in the scout suit. That means at 3 in the scout suit and having a 4 or 5 in the cloak skill makes having a cloak, if you are newer, much more viable early on. Not to mention that I will be proto min scout soon and only use the basic cloak. I have no need for anything above that. There is no incentive for me to use skill points there.

Lol. Guess what else helps bad players turn into decent players. Armor tanking. Want to take that away too?

I have no idea about you, but the cloak is literally useless if not utilized correctly. I suppose you're a good player if you're having serious success...or was that something you wanted us to say.

Cloak helps bad players be decent players...period. There is no other piece of equipment, module, racial bonus, fit, etc. that does that. I don't know what needs to be done but something does need to be changed. I run the cloak myself and have some serious success. A success that I would not have had if I didn't run the cloak and ran normal scout. No, I am not a bad player but I am an average player that is now getting good to great player level results. There is a serious balance issue. not to mention that if you are brand new to the game and skill 1 point into cloak, 3 into light suits, and 3 into scout suits you will barely be able to have a complete fit if you pop on a basic cloak. If you only skill 1 into scout suits and 1 into cloak, you won't be able to fit the cloak AT ALL. So new players getting merc'd by cloaks can't even attempt to emulate it until they hit closer to 2 or 3 mil SP. There are problems with it. I just don't know what the fix should be. Personally, I think a strong start is to reduce the 15% reduction to CPU/PG usage to 7% and then change the cloak skill itself to 7% reduction per skill point. It takes a lot less skill points to get that 5 in the cloak skill then it does to go to level 5 in the scout suit. That means at 3 in the scout suit and having a 4 or 5 in the cloak skill makes having a cloak, if you are newer, much more viable early on. Not to mention that I will be proto min scout soon and only use the basic cloak. I have no need for anything above that. There is no incentive for me to use skill points there.

Playing against cloaked enemies is as fun as playing with redline snipers. They are so spineless that they still wait until you are hacking and sneak up behind you, cloaked, and then blam.

Double Post, though in response to different point.

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@ Scouts, Bastards, Brothers

Would it be too much if the cloak's reserve were drained when its user is hit by flux grenade?

I can think of any number of scenarios wherein this one change would make things more interesting, for Scout and non-Scout alike. I can think of no scenario wherein it would render neutered every Scout in an area (i.e. old Active Scanners). The measure would address specific QQ scenarios (as in IWS's point defense scenario) while creating for us a new set of challenges and Scout-hunting opportunities.

Please list for me the downsides as you see them. I'd like to explore and discuss counterpoints to this specific measure.

Edit:
This request has been forwarded via crosslink to the Barbershop.
Bastard input and opinions are warmly welcomed. o7

Uh..sure? But if a scout gets hit by a grenade, the he/she is doing something SERIOUSLY wrong.

Also...putting "bastard" in your post doesn't make it any funnier, cooler, or more civil.

Also...putting "bastard" in your post doesn't make it any funnier, cooler, or more civil.

He was referring to a certain group of scouts who go by the term Bastards. Think of it more like a pronoun. He meant no offense, and quite frankly, we enjoy our nickname.

Off the table.
*Cloak Charge bar being externally altered by other players.

I just got here and all but...

Why the **** should this not happen?