I am going to agree with minmatar scout being worse off scout for now on grounds of fitting and will relay the message.

I am going to agree with minmatar scout being worse off scout for now on grounds of fitting and will relay the message.

I am going to agree with minmatar scout being worse off scout for now on grounds of fitting and will relay the message.

Does this mean that you are only relaying messages that you agree with???

Before every one used a scanner to see everyone through walls hill etc in a arc of 100m did this take any skill? The thing is as long as there is a stealh suit we need stealth play.

And your recticle still turns red when you move over a cloaked scout. And to be honest I rarely had issues with them. Most tomes a cloaked scout killed me they outplayed me and I deserved the death. I I got eye on them they normally die...

Does this mean that you are only relaying messages that you agree with???

You troll.

No. Just those in agreement get put into queue faster. Those in disagreement takes more evidence, reasoning and time to override my opinion. Most of those I have disagree with have generally failed to meet criteria, such as prototype tanks. Ones meeting criteria, Respecs for 1.8.

It's a serious question....I'm dead serious because I wonder what these CPMs are actually saying to these devs. I feel like they are only pushing for **** that they agree with even if most of the community doesn't.

CCP should just leave everything to a community vote like they did with the current sp system.

You mean the roll over system everyone voted for and still not implemented?

LOL

Still pushing for that by the way.

UNBELIEVABLE.........so you have confirmed my suspicions!

So quick question should decloaking consume some of the 'fuel'

Sorry but there are those in the community who:

wanted tanks to die in one plasma cannon shot,
think that prototype suits need immunity from militia,
keyboard controls are fine, (they're not),
wants prototype tanks despite how unkillable before hardener change previous vehicles could achieve,
thinks dom 1.0 is perfect,
Planetary Conquest was fine,
wants cloaks removed,
wants heavies removed,
wants all vehicles removed,
list goes on.

Trust me I can easily be the worst cpm pushing all the worst of ideas available.

You don't push every single idea to the CPM....you just push what the majority agrees on whether you agree or not. Your opinion is just one of the many as a regular player. Everyone's vote shouldn't equate to 1 while yours or any other CPM's vote equates to 1000

u ignoring my post IWS

*for one, flux's shouldn't disturb the cloaks timer or make it disappear completely, i think it should make the cloak shimmer for a certain amount of time like 5-10 seconds.
*also dmg should not unlcoak a scout

Forums are a super minority vs the entire player base though and that's fact.

Secondly; who's side do I take? the loudest or most reasonable? They prototype hav committee makes more trash posts and threads demanding for such devices and nobody has ever really started a thread saying no to prototype tanks, it just doesn't happen.

u ignoring my post IWS

The innate fitting skill reduction looks really good. It could mess with fitting mobility mods on my Minja but I can live with that. I'm not sure if it is possible but splitting the bonus into two could work. Keep the current saved value for CPU, slash x percent from the saved PG. It could work so long as neither extenders or plates get pg reductions in the future.

If there is a goal to restrict cloaks from other classes then increase the all cloak fitting costs. If it isn't then don't do it. The current CPU/PG feel right when I look at them with a Medium Frame.

Thanks for the heads-up. I don't even run Assaults and it's a concern.

Couple dozen threads an hour is making it hard for me to keep up with so here's where I am garnering so far.

*Cloaks have glitches associated with them which leads to invisible weapon usage and vehicles

I will agree these need to be fixed.

*Cloaks are a bit hard to spot

I am a slight disagreement with this, a moving scout can be spotted quite a bit far away (my longest spotting is about 90 meters out) it is just difficult for me on controller to put fire on them.

*Cloaks persist too well through damage or flux

I agree but a full disruption punishes pure blind luck of stray shots that can happen as well. I rather see a few tweaks instead such as cloak timer draining because of damage and longer lasting cloak scattering because of damage.

As for flux, I would like to see a massive chuck eaten out of the timer with it (scaled to the flux damage maybe?)

*Cloak Noise

Maybe for self sound its a bit too loud and out of balance but as a third person its balanced.

*Decloak to weapon swap speed

Seems a bit fast for my own tastes but we don't need to bring this far too high it becomes a frustration and cumbersome and ruin the edge of a surprise attack. 2.5 sec max and lets try it 0.5 increments at a time.

*Cloak timer at prototype

80 seconds is an eternity waiting for it to recharge. I think a second variant of cloaks is warranted, something with 30 second timer across all tiers and faster cooldown efficiency.

*Cloaked hacking

I see no problems currently with this.

*Brick Tanked Cloakers

There is a problem but not sure how best to deal with it outside of ramping up cloak fitting more which means either increasing the fit cost of the cloak or decreasing scout innate bonus. While we could go after the tanking modules themselves that's going to effect ALL classes and that would get more messy than needed.

=Anything else did I miss?=
Will update points and discussion if new things are brought to my attention. I know with the 1.8 patch then 1.8 hotfix this week and the follow up tonight and possibly more on the way lots of crap flying around and my time is split between paying attention to you guys and working with fanfest build. My opinion on cloaks right now is not hardline and easily subject to change which is why I am striking up this conversation.

OT posts will not be tolerated. I know vehicle rebalancing just hit but I feel that there hasn't been enough time to adapt around it yet to see if more follow ups are needed or if they went overboard.

As for Assaults there are discussions on how to buff them but the development team isn't ready to share them yet. Other balance issues are on the fire still but rather focus on this before we get too far away from 1.8 hotfix mood and far too deep into the next patch cycle.

Cloaks are not intended to be scouts only according to CCP.

^ this I fully agree with!

As stated earlier in the thread, I also think a small cloak activation cost will make the Rambo rapid cloak -> firing -> cloak (etc) still possible but very inefficient. It would not penalize single use like dropping uplinks, take out a straggler or traverse an area.

Cloaks are not intended to be scouts only according to CCP.

It doesn't matter what you post.....cause if he disagrees, he's not pushing for it.

If a lucky flux kills my cloak and my shields I'm left with 70 armor and no cover.. That's enough to last 1/10th of a second of fire from any weapon. Might as well have it finish me and save me the stroke.

One thing about IWS, he does listen to and for reasonable discussion. He spent a lot of time with us scouts, and it was greatly appreciated. Plus, he's actually a fun dude to have chip in on the inanity.

BUT~! I really wish he'd change his focus to getting bugs fixed and improving UI vs nerf campaigns. One thing that has been proven time and time again, is that CCP doesn't even really listen to the CPM anyways.

I think CCP is on a really good path finally, and 1.9 is looking up. I hope they move forward versus too much tinkering with stuff they get right.