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You do realize that you kept the previous bonus, reduced scan profile, right? Only now it is innate to the suit, rather than the skill.

That makes the cloak bonus far superior to having a 45 dB Scout and 33 dB Gallente Scout.

My question is should all scouts have similar fitting issues to the minmatar or should minmatar be brought up to the rest of the class?

De-Cloaking Animation needs to be fixed. As much fun as it is.

Shimmering needs tweaking. Full shimmer for Sprinting, Less Shimmer for walking... And Standing still Shimmer for crouch walking. Cloak needs to reward stealthy activities.

People not being able to see the cloak.. Is more Due to it not being a main feature offered in a Majority of FPS games.

Players from Crysis are already picking cloakers out like a sore thumb... Even stationary camping ones.

After 2-3 weeks players will start knowing exactly what to look for... And the run spots, Hide spots... and learn the corners of the maps scouts could be waiting for them.

Stray bullets On the battlefield are everywhere... If damage altered the cloak in anyway it would render the entire item so situational, it would obsolete it. Where I would love to see the cloak become a balance point and staple of DUST. And could be a very unique successful mechanic, That Future developers in the field would refer too.

-With more performance increases to DUST 514.. with consistent frame rates and Server/client updates while partaking in full 16 vs 16 gunfights of players from all over the world..., Will only improve peoples ability to use and counter the Cloaking device.

proof that our cloak isnt OP

stop complaing about cloaks.
other games have better cloaks than ours and they somehow dont consider it OP but for some reason we complain about anything new or "powerful" to be OP

My take since running a proto minja since 1.8

I don't run other racial scouts and my minmatar is squishy. If I fail to plan my attacks, or get sloppy with my tactics then I will die. Scouts rocking cloaks should feel squishy. And yes fitting a minja is terrible compromise.

Fluxes should knock shields out and require a full recharge.

The activation of the cloak is hit and miss. Its slow and I've had issues with activating it while running. Activating it while running should be available.

The ability to re-cloak after an action is necessary. If I am planting REs on a point and the enemy is on their way I shouldn't have to wait 30 seconds before I can re-cloak. I think the timing on the cloak is perfect. I have been caught in multiple occasions where my cloak was about to be depleted and had to decloak in less than strategic places.

Seriously the timers are golden. I can see them becoming terrible very easily through adjusting them for the worse.

Cloaks are amazing. The entire playstyle is different and requires recon and planning to be good at.

Being able to fire my gun while cloaked is not a good bug. I've done it once by accident and then noticed it was repeatable. That need fixed before a QQ storm has cloaks demoted to flaylock status.

p.s.

Scanners are awful now. They need some love.
The noises assiciated with cloaks, albeit a bit buggy, are amazing.

And herein lies the problem. What are you doing dropping a cloak in the middle of a swarm of enemies?!

Before any solution to the 'cloak issue' can be realized, the developer needs to actually figure out what the cloak is designed to be. As it was being discussed, I was under the impression it was being added to the game as a means of giving Scouts a better infiltration role. They are squishy, so give them the ability to traverse a hostile field of battle with more security so that they will not be detected. It was a stealth ability, period.

If the mechanic had been billed as this great offensive tool, then I am pretty sure much of the Community would have voiced out against it. There is nothing inherently stealthy about coming up and ganking three dudes from behind with a shotgun. Anyone adept at flanking should be able to pull that off, without a cloak. There is nothing stealthy about decloaking in a group of enemy, setting off a few remotes, cloaking again in the midst of chaos and then running away. Shotgunning and blowing things up are pretty much the exact opposite of being stealthy. Some might even say it's a pretty cheap approach but 'all's fair'. Honestly, why don't we just expedite the process and give the Scout a teleport ability to boot?

Our friend above is apparently decloaking 'surrounded by enemies'. Nothing stealthy about that either. Now I am not saying that a cloaked Scout should not have the ability to strike from the shadows, but the decision to do so must have consequence. Exposing yourself should have risk that goes with your reward. And the inability to recloak right away seems like a fair trade. You can pick off the lone wolf or straggler (shame on them for not sticking with the team) but you cannot run into the fray of a hotly contested objective and expect to get out alive.

I would much rather see a cloaked Scout be able to hack a Null Cannon without causing it to alert the enemy. That is a benefit of cloaking I can get behind in an objective based game. That puts the infiltrator role front and forward and makes 'The Assassin' a secondary, albeit more risky, vocation.

The ONLY reason why the cloak is currently OP is because you can perform certain actions like switching weapons and shooting, throwing grenades, meleeing, or switching to equipment, before the decloak animation is complete.

This could be easily solved by forcing you to go through the decloak animation before performing such actions, either by making it so only the FIRE button decloaks you, or making the animation mandatory before any of the other actions are initiated.

Therefore you could no longer kill an enemy who has line of sight on you unless he realizes you are there, as you MUST become visible prior to using your weapon/equipment/whatever.

Scouts are currently using the "shoot before decloak" to successfully surprise attack from the front. The above change forces them to attack from the back, which is how a scout should attack. But let's be real; in many cases where a frontal assault worked, the scout could simply have waited for you to pass by, decloaked, then killed you. You should not have a problem with this; this is good strategy, not an exploit or an OP tactic.

I feel cloaks should behave more like camouflage, easy to miss if your not actually looking for it but totally recognizable if you are looking for it. Kind of like the Predator's cloak.

I'm not fond of how you're essentially invisible when you stand still cloaked. No one is going to spot the virtually non-existent distortions, especially on dark maps. I feel cloaks should create a noticeable distortion when both standing still or moving without any shimmering, like the predator's cloak.

As for cloaks persisting too well through damage, have to agree with Iron Wolf Saber. It's not fair to the guy who spots and shoots at a cloaked enemy. But it isn't fair for cloaked players who get hit by stray bullets either.

There are some annoying bugs like where players can use their weapons while being cloaked indefinitely and being able to fire shots off before actually de-cloaking.

I want cloaks in Dust514, but they could have done with more time in Santa's workshop getting it right.

Oh ffs, so that's your logic? That's a **** poor train of logic and you should feel bad. "No one has ever done it so we can't do it either because if no one has done it then it must be bad!" That makes absolutely zero sense.

And if it's so incredibly important to you to know of a game that's done it like that, planetside 1 did.

Just because planetside 2 does it one way does not mean a single damn thing in a completely different game.

Bricked tanked assault scouts with cloaks has to go.

Cloak is nearly perfect as is except the bugs

Adding any sort of disruption to the cloak will cause people to stop using it. A lucky tossed flux nade shouldn't do anything but ruin a scouts shields. Creating a new grenade to do so would be fine, but you shouldn't be getting two things for one grenade.

Weapon swap speed increases would just make it more cumbersome to use the cloak. It actually wouldn't probably effect ambush style tactics regardless of how long the swap length is....it would only effect the ability of scouts to "strike back" if someone starts shooting them while cloaked. Perhaps a "delay" should only happen when they are taking damage.

The cloak is more classified as an 'active module' than a piece of deployable equipment. As stated, it falls under the same category as the active scanner, repair tool or nanite injector. I do agree that a flux should knock out its functionality though which would require to wait for cooldown.

You're never 100% invisible even standing still if you look close enough it's like seeing the heat rise from pavement or off the hood of a car.

Against the right background you can be 100% invisible. If there was more than one color in the shimmer at a different brightness then your statement would be true.

even if it were true....is that what this fps has come to? We have to run around an entire objective looking for steam emanating from the ground before we hack an objective?

1) Cloaks have glitches associated with them which leads to invisible weapon usage and vehicles
2) Cloaks are a bit hard to spot
3) Cloaks persist too well through damage or flux
4) Cloak Noise
5) Decloak to weapon swap speed
6) Cloak timer at prototype
7) Cloaked hacking
8) Brick Tanked Cloakers

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1) Agree. Fix bugs.
2) Disagree. Painfully easy to spot unless stationary and/or in shadows.
3) Disagree. Blue shimmer. Red reticule. Shoot. Get +50.
4) Disagree. On / Off is sufficiently noisy.
5) Don't know yet, but instantaneous would be bad.
6) Who uses Prototype Cloak? Little point beyond Advanced.
7) No problem here.
8) * Possibly a problem ...
9) Shimmer isn't bound to movement speed; its either slight or severe (lacks gradation).

* Would advise against adjusting cloak fitting costs. Fitting decent gear alongside a cloak is already tough. If a tweak proves to be in order, I'd recommend binding degree of shimmer effect to armor value such that Less Armor = Less Shimmer.