Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

* Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game

*Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

As a swarm user and rarely a vehicle driver I still feel this is HOLY BALLS THIS IS NOW OP!

The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5%

*Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

As a swarm user and rarely a vehicle driver I still feel this is HOLY BALLS THIS IS NOW OP!

Have fun reloading more often

*Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

As a swarm user and rarely a vehicle driver I still feel this is HOLY BALLS THIS IS NOW OP!

isn't the clip size reduced through the skill change?

(...)Shared passive scanner vision for squads disabled (results of active scanners are still shared with squads)(...)

(...)HP bars and name tag visible only for what you are aiming/firing at(...)

Does it mean less feedback from tacnet?

Does it mean i will not be able to see who is low on armor and who to shoot first or who needs repp quickly? If so i don't like it Any chance to bring it back in next patch? Or make it an option to toggle in system settings... Like aim-assist...

That's a nice wall of text you have there. It's a shame you didn't actually read before posting, isn't it?
This entire patch is focused on fixing the core. What on earth would shutting dust down achieve? Making you feel slightly better about your mindless rage on the forums?

Get lost.

Can you please specify "PvP Action"? Will I be kicked for running around the battlefield and taking cover from enemy fire because I don't perform a "PvP Action"?



If we alreay got the skills will we get the difference between new and old refunded? Or is this just SP down the drain?

If I've done my math right, that makes 6 maps with rotating sockets and 3 with static/no/ or medium sockets. And with 4 outposts/large sockets...

In skirmish that's 27 different map combinations if you don't count medium socket variety. This build we had 12.

IOW you will play the same map in a row half as often, and even then, it probably won't look quite the same given moods (which aren't in the notes), skyboxes, and medium sockets.

Still no WP for using active scanner huh?
So basically why use them?
Just so your squad can see enemy now but you still are not rewarded for using them, booooo!

"* The Scrambler Rifle Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing charge time to increasing cooldown speed by 5% (does not affect overheat cooldown speed). This affects the base and Assault variants"

Hmm... I can shoot more in the same time, but it takes full 2 seconds to charge now.... Not sure if... I like it... Let me think.

WP changes are coming in 1.5, this includes WP for scan assists.

yes less feedback, less clutter. You only need to know the HP of people you can get to safely, and even then inside your squad, you will still see their chevrons, letting you aim, and then see their HP.

Also, I have found for sure that when a blue-dot turns yellow on the overview that means they have lost HP in some way. They could be under fire, or just hit by their own grenade or fall damage.

Lots of excellent changes. A couple of questions...

Does the skill point bonus count against or add to the weekly skill point cap?

Are there any SP rewards for active scanners to offset the cost of taking up a slot to return squad awareness to its current level? If there are not in this update will there be SPs for this in later updates. If there will be, which update?

I'm.... SOCK Could it be ? ... an update that actually looks... "SERIOUS" ? Everything looks great in the Patch notes, i actually very exited about all this.... Just don't have any panic attacks in the last moment CCP... PLEASE !! Lets keep moving forwards now...

Well, I agree but sometimes people forget that this is something really new, a MMO on a console that is working towards a full connection with another MMO on a different platform. So this is something akin to getting a man on the moon, and there were problems along the way there. Did people troll the NASA space program when things didn't go according to plan? Or did they get back on the horse and help provide solutions?

We do listen to player feedback and some of them do make it into the game. It would be a lie to say that is not so. I know that it's taken longer than most of you on the forums would like, but it does take time to workout a solution when one is trodding down a path never traveled. A few of you on the forums have been with us all this time, so I am just asking you guys to keep on providing helpful feedback and a little less hate. Hope that's not too much to ask.

Wait...so how many rounds does my swarm launcher have before having to reload?

In that case it's ok. The only issue i have with HP/name tags nerf is change to sequential access to the info. Ie. instead to just do "passive" look around the screen with your eyes (faster) you will have to do an "active" weapon scan (slower) . This is impairing on decision making imho.

See, but that's my point- these small monthly updates should not still be tinkering with the 'core' of a fully released Triple A shooter 3 months after full release and after a year and a half in beta, that's what beta is for, to perfect the core before release. Nothing in a full release Triple A shooter should still need to be "rebuilt from the ground up" especially something as basic as matchmaking.

Right now there is no 'core' because in 5 updates from now the way aiming works and the way hit-detection works will be completely different. Therefore, the weapon balances released here in 1.4 will become unbalanced again when aiming, hit-detection, and movement are inevitably "rebuilt from the ground up".

Well, you can still release the charged shot at any time in those 2 seconds - it'll just take you 2 seconds to reach full charge (rather than the 1.5 seconds it would have been at level 5).

... stuff...

If I've done my math right, that makes 6 maps with rotating sockets and 3 with static/no/ or medium sockets. And with 4 outposts/large sockets...

In skirmish that's 27 different map combinations if you don't count medium socket variety. This build we had 12.

IOW you will play the same map in a row half as often, and even then, it probably won't look quite the same given moods (which aren't in the notes), skyboxes, and medium sockets.

Putting it that way, it's just 0.5 seconds... Feels like forever, but still... Yeah, I think I can get used to this. Also, I noticed its easier to overheat the faster the charge is. Overall, it will be harder to overheat, still have the charge shot and will be able to shoot more times in the same time frame. Yeah, looking good. A little buff it seems. God know it will need it with armor being buffed.

On a side note: yeah, now it's bonus apply to the assault variant. Now you will have to empty 3 clips in a row instead of 2 to make it overheat! Seriously, the heat build up should be a little higher in the assault variant. This would make this new bonus meaningful to it and would make people realize that it actually can overheat. No overheat after a whole clip... does not make much sense... right?

Nice update, nice update, I'm liking it.

That actually makes it 9 maps sir. Here is a list, with links to the skirmish mode for those currently available, along with a list of the Outposts available and the new one added.

Maps:
Ashland
Border Gulch (new)
Fracture Road (new)
Impact Ridge (new)
Iron Delta
Line Harvest
Manus Peak
Skim Junction
Spine Crescent

Outposts:
Biomass
Communications
Orbital Artillery
Research Facility (new)

Doesn't matter, because you can empty you clip and reload faster in 1.4, than shooting you clip without reloading in 1.3.

read... 6 maps with rotating sockets (large) then three Ashland, Line harvest, and manus peak don't have large sockets. 6x4 = 24 + 3 w/o large = 27

If swarms can empty there clip in like a second tanks are ruined. Please break lock or something in between shots.

I had 5 rounds before, and before that I had 4...guess I only have 2 now...

2 rounds into a Maddy...3 sec reload...he kills me or runs away and reps. I don't even wanna talk about shield logi LLAVs...

WP changes are coming in 1.5, this includes WP for scan assists.

If you don't like the game, just **** off and play something else.

When?

When?

Another huge f@#k you to vehicle operatives. Coukd tge swarm buff not have waited untill the vehicle balance or dose ccp really want to turn this into cod514. 1.5 better bring some actual balance as far as vehicles are concerned or else ccp will loose allot more players. Not everyone wants this game to be another cod clone.

* Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game

Skills
* New daily activity bonus: 3000SP for the first day, increasing by 500SP every consecutive day. Daily bonus is capped at 6000SP (attained after 7 days of consecutive logins)

The scanning changes will be a huge buff to vehicle operatives. It will cut both ways though. You will want your squad to find targets for you rather than roaming around solo hoping your team reveals enemies. For the most part though, I think it will work in vehicles favor that even having another squad member looking at you wont actually mean the rest of the squad sees you on their map.

On the one hand it will draw more concentration for the logi, but imagine how it will affect attackers as well. You won't be able to see among 5-6 players who has shields and who doesn't necessarily. I've been saying this for a while, that this is a small nerf to the mass driver, especially since their proper aim does not reveal any target intel. To deal with targets most efficiently, more 'fires direction' will have to be verbal or with squad commands. And we've been told that squad commands are being iterated on here fairly soon.

Have fun reloading more often

A very good solid patch.

I just have a couple of concerns/questions.

KB&M. This looks like it might mean that DS3 users might get royally shafted here. Are you going to carefully monitor the metrics on this and have hot fixes ready if it goes wrong. If you've over buffed KB&M and wait as long as its taken to fix murder taxis, you'll find player numbers dropping like a lead balloon.

AFK fix. Please define non PVP actions. I know you'll not want to tell us so the ****tards that do it don't try and figure out a way to get round it. But some info would be good.

Matchmaking. If there was ever a feature demanding of a very detailed Dev blog, its this one.

This player info hub. Is very any chance that CEO and directors can see this info when processing applicants?


That's all for now but if I think of anything else..

This game has become more work than it already is. Either implement an SP roll over system, some way to automatically gain the active SP, or keep the stupid AFK farming. In order to keep the pace with the reset of the community or EVEN CATCH UP, we are required to play this broken game for 10+ hours every week.

Plus what constitutes as PVP actions? Are Logibros nerfed now and need to fight in addition to providing support?

so no changes to the DS3? but to mouse?? On a console?

Big changes to DS3

First page!

Quick question: What are considered as 'PVP actions'?

Also, loving those skills and armor changes

I play a bit, have a 12m sp account, so I am pretty used to the current DS3 "feel". Having played the 1.4, I am a big fan of the changes, feels more fluid and easier to track and target.

CCP. . . takes away MMC camping? Well, im quiting the game till. . .

Hey Rattati, do you know what is considered a "PVP action" in the AFK fix? And what exactly the idle timer is? Is it 1 minute? 5 minutes?

If not, can you get someone that knows to tell us? Thank you.

I play a bit, have a 12m sp account, so I am pretty used to the current DS3 "feel". Having played the 1.4, I am a big fan of the changes, feels more fluid and easier to track and target.

You guys really need to stop stressing about this. Chances are, if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and PLAYING THE GAME, then you have nothing to worry about. Why should they spell out their system so people can find ways around it?

You guys really need to stop stressing about this. Chances are, if you're doing what you're supposed to be doing and PLAYING THE GAME, then you have nothing to worry about. Why should they spell out their system so people can find ways around it?

CCP screws over scouts so much that they are not worth playing now, THEN takes away MMC camping? Well, im quiting the game till 1.6 or 1.7 or whenever they fix scout suits.

Also thanks for buffing kb/m when gamepads are already **** compaired to them.

If we don't know the details we can't point out flaws with it.

If we don't know the details we can't point out flaws with it.

Scout is my secondary role and I don't have any issues placing in the top three in match using a DS3. I'm also old with slow reactions. What are you trying to do as a scout that you think they are not even worth playing?

Well been poking around about it, and I think they gone as far to test it to see if it was lego mindstorm proof.

Well been poking around about it, and I think they gone as far to test it to see if it was lego mindstorm proof.

Also, for AFK farming, what's the timer on it? Sometimes we have to run to the bathroom, or make something to eat during a redline, or change a baby, or let in/out a dog, things like that.

* Overhauled, retuned and reactivated aim assists for the control pad
*... strafe speeds .......(net result is slower speeds than Uprising 1.3)
* Removed rotation modifier on heavy frames - all frames can now rotate at the same speed
* Adjusted Armor Plate / Ferroscale Plate / Reactive Plate attributes
* All heavy weapon reload skills now provide a 5% bonus, up from 3%
* The HMG Operation skill bonus has been changed from reducing heat build-up to reducing recoil by 5% per level
* More hit detection improvements

* The Amarr Laser Rifle has a new red-dot sight, replacing the old iron-sight
* Increased ADS (aim down sights) aiming speed with the Amarr Laser Rifle

* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3
* The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5%

* Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game

Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.)

I have heard rumour that this update to KB&M will be the last they do for a very long time. Any other work on it now will purely to fix any bugs that come up and when the remapping of your chosen keyboard layout.

All further work on controls will be focused on DS3. There's just too many gaming mice that can be set up to compensate for any aiming nerfs that CCP can bring in to achieve parity between the two control systems.

They should kill KB&M support in my honest opinion. But the genies out of the bottle I suppose now.

Welcome to the forums.

Well it was nice playing with you guys but since mouse is now king and controllers just cant keep up on a mechanical level I think I might be turning in for good now

Inb4 I can haz isk, Im passing it out to some newberries

No scope modules?! No armory?!

I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but when are these coming?! I admit I kind of got my hopes up on these being included.

Also, exactly was done to the murder taxi?

Figures

Do let the door hit you on the way out.

Yeah I honestly don't know why they insist on keeping this info from us.

It's not like it can't be figured out in the first match after the patch drops.

lav will push your around now instead of just runnin your ass over and killing you... so dumb... just like a tank that pushes infantry smh.... you stand in front of a tank and see what happens i dont care how fast you go... another fail by ccp.. good day

No scope modules?! No armory?!

I'm not trying to be ungrateful, but when are these coming?! I admit I kind of got my hopes up on these being included.

Also, exactly was done to the murder taxi?

lav will push your around now instead of just runnin your ass over and killing you... so dumb... just like a tank that pushes infantry smh.... you stand in front of a tank and see what happens i dont care how fast you go... another fail by ccp.. good day

We have to go back and fix the core a bit, thus quite a few set backs, sorry about that.

They should kill KB&M support in my honest opinion. But the genies out of the bottle I suppose now.

What?! That's bogus! So if I come barreling down the road at like 60 mph, and hit a guy, it just moves him out of the way? That's ridiculous. So much for real world physics.

As for all you whiners who cried about this to the point we had to bend the laws of physics, I'm roadkilling every last one of you this weekend GTA style.

And that involved bending the laws of physics and taking away murder taxi's? Not fair. If you'd have buffed swarms like you did, and left murder taxi's alone, that would have been fair to both sides. But now, what's the point in even pulling out my LAV's? I can't use them unless I have a gunner, so if I'm not in squad they're useless, if I end up where I'm the only one driving my LAV, I have no way to kill anyone except stop, get out, and shoot someone. And if they're in a group, that's even worse.

Overall, most of the patch stuff is good, or I don't care about it. But the murder taxi take away is bogus and you know it. It's not even something I do all the time, but it's a part of combat and if people don't like it, stay out of the open. You just took away one more combat option that made this game unique from other FPS.

WeGÇÖve completely overhauled and retuned the aim-assist systems, made extensive changes to the vision system (including disabling shared squad vision), re-tuned most parameters, and added new player icons. We have also dramatically reduced the issues with LAV collision damage; They now do damage based on the speed that a vehicle is traveling. This means it is far more difficult to roadkill infantry, though not impossible. You just have to mean it more! :)

Sigh, read the damn dev blog people



Also, double nerf for murder taxis - completely fair.

What?! That's bogus! So if I come barreling down the road at like 60 mph, and hit a guy, it just moves him out of the way? That's ridiculous. So much for real world physics.

As for all you whiners who cried about this to the point we had to bend the laws of physics, I'm roadkilling every last one of you this weekend GTA style.

The new Logistics skill bonus isnGÇÖt ideally suited to the Logistics role and is a short-term alteration until proper equipment bonuses come online. Once they do weGÇÖll outline the full skill changes in another blog.

Here are some figures in the form of a table!

http://i.imgur.com/tLiMw1K.png?1

Pre-patchPost-patch
clip53
ammo (max skills)88
lock on time (max skills)1.21.05
fire interval20.3
reload (max skills)3.8253.825
Time to exhaust clip14.83
Time to exhaust clip + reload20.6257.125
Time to exhaust ammo (inc. reloads)27.42518.15Boost
Burst ROF (single clip)0.341.00194%
Exhaust ammo ROF0.290.4452%

So a 194% boost to burst ROF and a 52% ROF increase to exhausting all your ammo.

And that involved bending the laws of physics and taking away murder taxi's? Not fair. If you'd have buffed swarms like you did, and left murder taxi's alone, that would have been fair to both sides. But now, what's the point in even pulling out my LAV's? I can't use them unless I have a gunner, so if I'm not in squad they're useless, if I end up where I'm the only one driving my LAV, I have no way to kill anyone except stop, get out, and shoot someone. And if they're in a group, that's even worse.

Overall, most of the patch stuff is good, or I don't care about it. But the murder taxi take away is bogus and you know it. It's not even something I do all the time, but it's a part of combat and if people don't like it, stay out of the open. You just took away one more combat option that made this game unique from other FPS.

*Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

As a swarm user and rarely a vehicle driver I still feel this is HOLY BALLS THIS IS NOW OP!

... you fail at running over people in an HAV. I run over LAVs for crying out loud.

And that involved bending the laws of physics and taking away murder taxi's? Not fair. If you'd have buffed swarms like you did, and left murder taxi's alone, that would have been fair to both sides. But now, what's the point in even pulling out my LAV's? I can't use them unless I have a gunner, so if I'm not in squad they're useless, if I end up where I'm the only one driving my LAV, I have no way to kill anyone except stop, get out, and shoot someone. And if they're in a group, that's even worse.

Overall, most of the patch stuff is good, or I don't care about it. But the murder taxi take away is bogus and you know it. It's not even something I do all the time, but it's a part of combat and if people don't like it, stay out of the open. You just took away one more combat option that made this game unique from other FPS.

What?! That's bogus! So if I come barreling down the road at like 60 mph, and hit a guy, it just moves him out of the way? That's ridiculous. So much for real world physics.

As for all you whiners who cried about this to the point we had to bend the laws of physics, I'm roadkilling every last one of you this weekend GTA style.

Delicious tears already!! GREAT JOB CCP!!

Oh, and hey Reimus. Guess what! There is already a way to automatically gain the active SP--PLAY THE GAME! The fact that you'd directly ask to keep AFK farming makes your tears SO MUCH BETTER!

On the one hand it will draw more concentration for the logi, but imagine how it will affect attackers as well. You won't be able to see among 5-6 players who has shields and who doesn't necessarily. I've been saying this for a while, that this is a small nerf to the mass driver, especially since their proper aim does not reveal any target intel. To deal with targets most efficiently, more 'fires direction' will have to be verbal or with squad commands. And we've been told that squad commands are being iterated on here fairly soon.

* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3
* The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5%

I play a bit, have a 12m sp account, so I am pretty used to the current DS3 "feel". Having played the 1.4, I am a big fan of the changes, feels more fluid and easier to track and target.

* Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3

* Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game

yes less feedback, less clutter. You only need to know the HP of people you can get to safely, and even then inside your squad, you will still see their chevrons, letting you aim, and then see their HP.

Also, I have found for sure that when a blue-dot turns yellow on the overview that means they have lost HP in some way. They could be under fire, or just hit by their own grenade or fall damage.

"Implemented idle timer to prevent AFK farming in battle ground or MCC. Players not performing any PVP action in a certain period of time will be kicked out of the game"

Holy crap you just fixed Dust 514

Bravo!

Looks like an awesome set of updates.

Only one I am scratching my head on is the swarm buff. But unlike the freakoutery I read here, I will take a wait and see on that one, and would encourage others to do the same.

Thanks for the early patch notes.

I believe the swarm changes are meant to make low-end swarms less effective, but make dedicated AV players who have proto swarms more effective. All the tankers complained about militia swarms dominating them, so CCP made it so they are less useful than they are now, but more rewarding if you spend the SP to get higher end swarms.


Also this may be a hint at what is coming in 1.5, we might need all the AV firepower we can get when these tank scrubs get their proto tanks back (and probably several other buffs to their modules and whatnot).

If we don't know the details we can't point out flaws with it.

As a dedicated Swarm user, this is exactly what I want. If I've dumped millions of SP into killing tanks, I should be able to eat militia HAVs for breakfast. If someone has invested as much into protecting their HAV as I have into killing it though, I should only be able to win if A) he just sits there while I shoot him over and over, or B) I have help. When prototype HAVs become a thing, it really should take a full squad of AV (or an equally well fit HAV) to bring it down.

Really? Are you that ignorant? It was already stated that a lav going full speed will kill. What this means is you can't crash into a wall next to someone then back up 1 meter and turn a bit then kill them. That don't work in real life and not here either.

Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.)

Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you.

Really? Are you that ignorant? It was already stated that a lav going full speed will kill. What this means is you can't crash into a wall next to someone then back up 1 meter and turn a bit then kill them. That don't work in real life and not here either. I'm betting torc increase mods will see an increase in use now.

Pretty happy with this update BTW ccp good job.

Please don't. I'm evidently in the minority on this one, judging by the thread, but I don't see any good resulting from releasing this info at the moment. I mean, they will all figure it out eventually, but I don't see any reason to make it easier for them from the get-go. Let us at least enjoy a week or so of non-AFK matches (yeah, I know, probably way less).

And thanks for the heavy rotation buff, that's perfect. It's been irritating me for a while now that, if I'm the king of CQC, how come i can't track scouts doing the bunny hop around me? Good buff.

I'm please overall... looks like you guys have been hard at work, which encourages me, but the KB/M buff worries me a bit. I really hope you haven't made this game unplayable for DS3 users, but I'll reserve judgement until after playing.

With proto SL you eating Madrugars by now, and all you have to dumped was something like 1,6kk SP. HAV drivers can not see you for most of the time because of poor draw distance, many times I die because of invisible swarmer - someone constantly shooting you, and all you can see is explosion on hull till you die(detection system is useless).

Swarmers completely did not require this buff, yet they got it.

Why increase strafe speed I think we're fast enough as it is

Even other game strafe speed isn't this fast

I do eat Madrugers; most of them are poorly equipped and many are driven by people who think "I'm in a tank, I'm invincible!" and haven't spent anything past the 400,000 SP to sit in them. I have spent a million SP on the Swarm launcher skills alone; the Weaponry, handheld weapon upgrades, and light weapon operation skills put me up to 1.8 million invested before I even get into the dropsuit command/upgrades skills to fit these swarm launchers on the suits, and all the other weapon skills I've invested into so I can fight my way to a position to get a lock on. When I've invested 2 or 3 times as much into killing tanks as the tanker has into surviving, yes I should come out on top.

A well fit Madruger can still get away from me; a poorly fit madruger with a good driver can still get away from me. These are standard tier, non-specialist HAVs; they are not the be-all, end-all of tanks. I can only ever kill a Falchion or Vayu with help from other AV players, and these are still standard tier tanks going up against proto AV.

This update will make swarms deal damage faster, but it will only increase our damage output in the sense that you will have less time for your shields/armor repairers to kick in between shots. That "Damage Taken" stat at the end of the match won't be going up, and it never will because the damage per shot of AV has already peaked; your tanks, on the other hand, WILL get better, and I will have a much harder time killing you. Your time is coming, be patient.

Also, I actually agree that the invisible missile thing is garbage and needs to be fixed; if you guys get a warning when you are close to a mine, you should get a warning that someone has locked onto you or that missiles are headed your way.

This doesn't achieve anything. A losing team is still going to lose. What kind of results do people expect from forced participation?

What?! That's bogus! So if I come barreling down the road at like 60 mph, and hit a guy, it just moves him out of the way? That's ridiculous. So much for real world physics.

As for all you whiners who cried about this to the point we had to bend the laws of physics, I'm roadkilling every last one of you this weekend GTA style.

My tank alt has 7 million into vehicles, and that is midlevel, swarms eat him alive. I've spent most of my time on this char taking out tanks on foot so I in no way feel invincible in my tank. I use cover and and never venture farther than my team can support me. I run from lone foot solders as I know they will easily drop me with a nano and AV nades. Rarely do I die from other tanks as they are my main targets. Now I get to get hit by the first flight of likely invisible swarms activate my repper and get destroyed before it ever activate as the two other flights of swarms were already in the air by the time I was hit to begin with. Yes the easiest AV weapon of them all needed to be buffed.

I play a bit, have a 12m sp account, so I am pretty used to the current DS3 "feel". Having played the 1.4, I am a big fan of the changes, feels more fluid and easier to track and target.

With the change of the reload cost from x6 to x3, can we expect to see SP in our active pool

Thank you for releasing the notes earlier. This patch owns!

I never said they needed to be buffed, only that they aren't as OP as you guys are worrying. I also specifically mentioned that I agree invisible missiles need to be fixed, and that you are still using standard fit tanks against proto AV. Tough it out for 1.4, wait for 1.5 when you get your good toys.

If you are getting killed by teams of AV players, when you have no infantry support to back you up, don't complain when you get ganged up on. 1 on 1, yes a tank should win against a lone guy with a missile launcher. 1 tank against 3 or 4? Not so much.

I do eat Madrugers; most of them are poorly equipped and many are driven by people who think "I'm in a tank, I'm invincible!" and haven't spent anything past the 400,000 SP to sit in them. I have spent a million SP on the Swarm launcher skills alone; the Weaponry, handheld weapon upgrades, and light weapon operation skills put me up to 1.8 million invested before I even get into the dropsuit command/upgrades skills to fit these swarm launchers on the suits, and all the other weapon skills I've invested into so I can fight my way to a position to get a lock on. When I've invested 2 or 3 times as much into killing tanks as the tanker has into surviving, yes I should come out on top.

A well fit Madruger can still get away from me; a poorly fit madruger with a good driver can still get away from me. These are standard tier, non-specialist HAVs; they are not the be-all, end-all of tanks. I can only ever kill a Falchion or Vayu with help from other AV players, and these are still standard tier tanks going up against proto AV.

This update will make swarms deal damage faster, but it will only increase our damage output in the sense that you will have less time for your shields/armor repairers to kick in between shots. That "Damage Taken" stat at the end of the match won't be going up, and it never will because the damage per shot of AV has already peaked; your tanks, on the other hand, WILL get better, and I will have a much harder time killing you. Your time is coming, be patient.

Also, I actually agree that the invisible missile thing is garbage and needs to be fixed; if you guys get a warning when you are close to a mine, you should get a warning that someone has locked onto you or that missiles are headed your way.