I believe the swarm changes are meant to make low-end swarms less effective, but make dedicated AV players who have proto swarms more effective. All the tankers complained about militia swarms dominating them, so CCP made it so they are less useful than they are now, but more rewarding if you spend the SP to get higher end swarms.


Also this may be a hint at what is coming in 1.5, we might need all the AV firepower we can get when these tank scrubs get their proto tanks back (and probably several other buffs to their modules and whatnot).

If we don't know the details we can't point out flaws with it.

As a dedicated Swarm user, this is exactly what I want. If I've dumped millions of SP into killing tanks, I should be able to eat militia HAVs for breakfast. If someone has invested as much into protecting their HAV as I have into killing it though, I should only be able to win if A) he just sits there while I shoot him over and over, or B) I have help. When prototype HAVs become a thing, it really should take a full squad of AV (or an equally well fit HAV) to bring it down.

Really? Are you that ignorant? It was already stated that a lav going full speed will kill. What this means is you can't crash into a wall next to someone then back up 1 meter and turn a bit then kill them. That don't work in real life and not here either.

Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you. But as far as Rubber bands go, I've been told it's pretty rubber band proof (and if you do find the right arrangement to make them work, please tell us via support ticket so we can fix it.)

Hey guys, I'll try to get some more hard details on the AFK system for you.

Really? Are you that ignorant? It was already stated that a lav going full speed will kill. What this means is you can't crash into a wall next to someone then back up 1 meter and turn a bit then kill them. That don't work in real life and not here either. I'm betting torc increase mods will see an increase in use now.

Pretty happy with this update BTW ccp good job.

Please don't. I'm evidently in the minority on this one, judging by the thread, but I don't see any good resulting from releasing this info at the moment. I mean, they will all figure it out eventually, but I don't see any reason to make it easier for them from the get-go. Let us at least enjoy a week or so of non-AFK matches (yeah, I know, probably way less).

And thanks for the heavy rotation buff, that's perfect. It's been irritating me for a while now that, if I'm the king of CQC, how come i can't track scouts doing the bunny hop around me? Good buff.

I'm please overall... looks like you guys have been hard at work, which encourages me, but the KB/M buff worries me a bit. I really hope you haven't made this game unplayable for DS3 users, but I'll reserve judgement until after playing.

With proto SL you eating Madrugars by now, and all you have to dumped was something like 1,6kk SP. HAV drivers can not see you for most of the time because of poor draw distance, many times I die because of invisible swarmer - someone constantly shooting you, and all you can see is explosion on hull till you die(detection system is useless).

Swarmers completely did not require this buff, yet they got it.

Why increase strafe speed I think we're fast enough as it is

Even other game strafe speed isn't this fast

I do eat Madrugers; most of them are poorly equipped and many are driven by people who think "I'm in a tank, I'm invincible!" and haven't spent anything past the 400,000 SP to sit in them. I have spent a million SP on the Swarm launcher skills alone; the Weaponry, handheld weapon upgrades, and light weapon operation skills put me up to 1.8 million invested before I even get into the dropsuit command/upgrades skills to fit these swarm launchers on the suits, and all the other weapon skills I've invested into so I can fight my way to a position to get a lock on. When I've invested 2 or 3 times as much into killing tanks as the tanker has into surviving, yes I should come out on top.

A well fit Madruger can still get away from me; a poorly fit madruger with a good driver can still get away from me. These are standard tier, non-specialist HAVs; they are not the be-all, end-all of tanks. I can only ever kill a Falchion or Vayu with help from other AV players, and these are still standard tier tanks going up against proto AV.

This update will make swarms deal damage faster, but it will only increase our damage output in the sense that you will have less time for your shields/armor repairers to kick in between shots. That "Damage Taken" stat at the end of the match won't be going up, and it never will because the damage per shot of AV has already peaked; your tanks, on the other hand, WILL get better, and I will have a much harder time killing you. Your time is coming, be patient.

Also, I actually agree that the invisible missile thing is garbage and needs to be fixed; if you guys get a warning when you are close to a mine, you should get a warning that someone has locked onto you or that missiles are headed your way.

This doesn't achieve anything. A losing team is still going to lose. What kind of results do people expect from forced participation?

What?! That's bogus! So if I come barreling down the road at like 60 mph, and hit a guy, it just moves him out of the way? That's ridiculous. So much for real world physics.

As for all you whiners who cried about this to the point we had to bend the laws of physics, I'm roadkilling every last one of you this weekend GTA style.

My tank alt has 7 million into vehicles, and that is midlevel, swarms eat him alive. I've spent most of my time on this char taking out tanks on foot so I in no way feel invincible in my tank. I use cover and and never venture farther than my team can support me. I run from lone foot solders as I know they will easily drop me with a nano and AV nades. Rarely do I die from other tanks as they are my main targets. Now I get to get hit by the first flight of likely invisible swarms activate my repper and get destroyed before it ever activate as the two other flights of swarms were already in the air by the time I was hit to begin with. Yes the easiest AV weapon of them all needed to be buffed.