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Llast 326 wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

XxBlazikenxX wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

I would agree to an extent.

It was probably more evident pre EWAR circles and Medium EWAR changes, but now that EWAR itself has been diminished, its lack of any bonus to it is less of an issue.

Knifing and hacking I think are significant enough.

The cloak changes really hurt us as much as anything, as we were more dependent on it because of EWAR.

We'll see how it handles when backpedal speed is reduced.

Amarr is the one that really needs help as it has no role.

True, perhaps Amarrian needs to get rid of its EWAR bonus and increase its stamina bonuses.

Increased Stamina will not really help. Only because stamina caps out in usefulness, unless we make changes to how stamina affects gameplay.
1. Stamina should be the first "Health Bar" to take damage from falling
2. Change how much Stamina is depleted from jumpsGÇª Currently it takes about 1/3 of you bar to jump (regardless of how high the stat is). This was implemented to counter hipity hopy hit detection issues or something like that, so changes to this would need to be carefully implemented.
3. Melee stamina drain changesGÇª could be problematicGÇª don't know.

The extra stamina might make the Amarrian Scout a good wandering suit for going from place to place.

Aye
It does excellent with that aspect now though, so either changes to how existing stats work or a whole new bonus may be in order.
Another option would be to increase Range Extenders effectiveness to make the precision bonus cover a useful area, and/or one of the stamina changes.
Personally I think range extenders are almost useless in their current form, and Fall damage needs a looking at so I lean towards those changes.
As a note I run all four scout suitsGÇª Amarr is in the worst place, but is not as bad off as the Minja once was. It is a closer fix to balance at this point in the game than we have ever seen. Or so I see it.

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XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 320	Posted - 2015.02.25 03:59:00 - [29821] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Llast 326 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I would agree to an extent. It was probably more evident pre EWAR circles and Medium EWAR changes, but now that EWAR itself has been diminished, its lack of any bonus to it is less of an issue. Knifing and hacking I think are significant enough. The cloak changes really hurt us as much as anything, as we were more dependent on it because of EWAR. We'll see how it handles when backpedal speed is reduced. Amarr is the one that really needs help as it has no role. True, perhaps Amarrian needs to get rid of its EWAR bonus and increase its stamina bonuses. Increased Stamina will not really help. Only because stamina caps out in usefulness, unless we make changes to how stamina affects gameplay. 1. Stamina should be the first "Health Bar" to take damage from falling 2. Change how much Stamina is depleted from jumpsGÇª Currently it takes about 1/3 of you bar to jump (regardless of how high the stat is). This was implemented to counter hipity hopy hit detection issues or something like that, so changes to this would need to be carefully implemented. 3. Melee stamina drain changesGÇª could be problematicGÇª don't know. The extra stamina might make the Amarrian Scout a good wandering suit for going from place to place. Aye It does excellent with that aspect now though, so either changes to how existing stats work or a whole new bonus may be in order. Another option would be to increase Range Extenders effectiveness to make the precision bonus cover a useful area, and/or one of the stamina changes. Personally I think range extenders are almost useless in their current form, and Fall damage needs a looking at so I lean towards those changes. As a note I run all four scout suitsGÇª Amarr is in the worst place, but is not as bad off as the Minja once was. It is a closer fix to balance at this point in the game than we have ever seen. Or so I see it. Wait, the Minja was bad once?! Tell me more. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment Guide Writer
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 9909	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:02:00 - [29822] - Quote Found Ratatti. Also: He was playing around with 3x Jump Mybofybrils https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2644814#post2644814 Born Deteis Caldari. Rejected by my Kinsman. Found a new family in the Vherokior Tribe. Nobody messes with my family
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 320	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:08:00 - [29823] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Found Ratatti. Also: He was playing around with 3x Jump Mybofybrils https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2644814#post2644814 I am excited for this, will my sentinel finally be able to jump over one inch rails now? Will scout suits leap over buildings in a single hop? Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment Guide Writer
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6808	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:38:00 - [29824] - Quote XxBlazikenxX wrote: Wait, the Minja was bad once?! Tell me more. Well a lot of factors played into it. Bullet slowdown made being a fast suit with low EHP essentially useless. Couple that with permascanning and Installations that gave away your position to everyone Fitting was tighter than it was now Had one less low slot Really you were better off with the Gal Scout (which was the only other scout at the time) for almost any scout roleGÇª except perhaps knifing and even that was debatable. Minja was still more fun than anything though MOAR Ladders
XxBlazikenxX Y.A.M.A.H 324	Posted - 2015.02.25 04:40:00 - [29825] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: XxBlazikenxX wrote: Wait, the Minja was bad once?! Tell me more. Well a lot of factors played into it. Bullet slowdown made being a fast suit with low EHP essentially useless. Couple that with permascanning and Installations that gave away your position to everyone Fitting was tighter than it was now Had one less low slot Really you were better off with the Gal Scout (which was the only other scout at the time) for almost any scout roleGÇª except perhaps knifing and even that was debatable. Minja was still more fun than anything though Woah, I missed a lot in the 4 month brake I took from Dust. Terrestrial Combat Officer of Y.A.M.A.H Recruitment Guide Writer
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1846	Posted - 2015.02.25 06:00:00 - [29826] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Found Ratatti. Also: He was playing around with 3x Jump Mybofybrils https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2644814#post2644814 CCP Rattati wrote: This morning, however, I spent playing on a devkit with 3X jump height myofibs, and it was awesome. HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE Edit: HYPEHYPEHYPE Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Soul Cairn Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 63	Posted - 2015.02.25 06:09:00 - [29827] - Quote Need dem Min scout fits. Yes, I am already a masochist. Don't be fooled, I'm Caldari Vehicular Specialist Grandmaster Bump

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17637	Posted - 2015.02.25 06:40:00 - [29828] - Quote Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 298	Posted - 2015.02.25 06:54:00 - [29829] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. Or star wars battlefront 2? Dark troopers. Molestia approved
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2401	Posted - 2015.02.25 06:57:00 - [29830] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked pIto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. I believe planetside 2 has something similar with light assaults. Allows for some more interesting gameplay. Perhaps assaults could get a bonus to it. Just make sure things like plates will work against its usefulness. 1000+ hp flying bricks really won't help things. Has there been any word on getting sprint speeds up over 11m/s? There's still not enough of a difference in the haves and the have nots when it comes to speed. I think if assaults could get up over 9.5 m/s comfortably + your myos they'd have good reason to run something other than HP. And king hp could do with being a little less useful. We'll bang, OK?


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 17642	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:01:00 - [29831] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked pIto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. I believe planetside 2 has something similar with light assaults. Allows for some more interesting gameplay. Perhaps assaults could get a bonus to it. Just make sure things like plates will work against its usefulness. 1000+ hp flying bricks really won't help things. Has there been any word on getting sprint speeds up over 11m/s? There's still not enough of a difference in the haves and the have nots when it comes to speed. I think if assaults could get up over 9.5 m/s comfortably + your myos they'd have good reason to run something other than HP. And king hp could do with being a little less useful. jump height is a factor of speed, which is a factor of plate stacking, therefore, bricks jump lower "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22291	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:02:00 - [29832] - Quote Minscouts jumping on top of big containers is the most glorious idea. This would mean that you'd be able to jump onto the walkways in the Caldari production facility cliff building, or jump up from the Gal facility up to where people normally camp the two reactor things, or get onto the roofs on line harvest without using hte ladders, or allow jumps up onto the central walkway in Ashlands, etc. Myofibrils will reduce fall damage as well right? Jadek Menaheim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. That also make jumping onto a friendly dropshop roof from ground park much more feasible. This could open up interesting things indeed, particularly if you pair it with jump packs. Time to polish up my dropship hopping skills. True fear is when your ADS gets boarded by a knifer. A comprehensive Gallente guide
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 5474	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:03:00 - [29833] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. That also make jumping onto a friendly dropshop roof from ground park much more feasible. This could open up interesting things indeed, particularly if you pair it with jump packs. Time to polish up my dropship hopping skills. Neckbeard for Good charity shave
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22291	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:04:00 - [29834] - Quote On the topic of biotics, what do you think of kincats? A comprehensive Gallente guide
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18717	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:05:00 - [29835] - Quote PS2 has float packs (dont hit the ground has hard jump jets) and jump jets basically CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2402	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:06:00 - [29836] - Quote I thought that would be the case but I'm also meaning the proposed jump pack. And you're dodging the question re:sprint speed hard cap XD I tried damp and speed tanking a proto gal assault, terrible for anything except shotgun if lucky. Couldn't take on other assaults with a rifle or anything because the speed differences were too low. I couldn't get out of dodge if needed. Was really only a threat to scouts. (Speed + Plates worked fine though, no surprises there). We'll bang, OK?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback 22291	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:08:00 - [29837] - Quote I was of the understanding that the 11m/s speed wasn't so much a hard cap as it was the natural cap from stacking penalties. A comprehensive Gallente guide
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1846	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:18:00 - [29838] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. marry me Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8834	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:21:00 - [29839] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked pIto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. I believe planetside 2 has something similar with light assaults. Allows for some more interesting gameplay. Perhaps assaults could get a bonus to it. Just make sure things like plates will work against its usefulness. 1000+ hp flying bricks really won't help things. Has there been any word on getting sprint speeds up over 11m/s? There's still not enough of a difference in the haves and the have nots when it comes to speed. I think if assaults could get up over 9.5 m/s comfortably + your myos they'd have good reason to run something other than HP. And king hp could do with being a little less useful. All of my yes. I would love it if my Gallente Assault was a bit more mobile considering the range implications of Gallente weaponry. Would totally fit some kind of active jump boost module if such a thing existed just so I never had to kitten with ladders ever again (the #1 reason of stupid deaths). Exciting times if Assaults get a bonus to Myrofibrals. Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I was of the understanding that the 11m/s speed wasn't so much a hard cap as it was the natural cap from stacking penalties. If memory serves it's because the animation will break if the model goes any faster. EDIT: Would also like to take the opportunity to mention that we should probably put some clarification that Myrofibrals do not apply to Nova Knives, despite them technically being melee weapons. This is sort of confusing to players who are a bit newer to their use. Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2402	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:25:00 - [29840] - Quote My understanding is that kincats used to have a higher value but it broke HD. This was way back in one of the betas so it got nerfed. An old vet will have to confirm this as it may be a urban legend. We'll bang, OK?

Bayeth Mal Nos Nothi 2402	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:30:00 - [29841] - Quote The reason I raised it being targeted to assaults (as much as I'd love it on my scout) is that most games have a speed or stealth divide. Not both. And I think it may be a good principle to run on. But again, I raise my concerns on it becoming speed+tank. I'm glad sentinels don't have an equipment slot for the proposed jump pack. We'll bang, OK?
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8834	Posted - 2015.02.25 07:32:00 - [29842] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: My understanding is that kincats used to have a higher value but it broke HD. This was way back in one of the betas so it got nerfed. An old vet will have to confirm this as it may be a urban legend. Chicken or the egg sort of thing. Kincats breaking the broken HD or broken HD being multiplied by Kincats? Replication had issues with scouts because they could literally become invulnerable through strafing and I don't think that Kincats affected strafe-speed then... Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1849	Posted - 2015.02.25 08:03:00 - [29843] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: The reason I raised it being targeted to assaults (as much as I'd love it on my scout) is that most games have a speed or stealth divide. Not both. Huh? So many multiplayer games I've played have had a speed and stealth rogue-style character. It's my go-to archetype in a mutliplayer game. I mean, what else are you gonna pair speed with? Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 300	Posted - 2015.02.25 08:03:00 - [29844] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. marry me KILL THE HUSBONDO STEALER!!! Molestia approved
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 8835	Posted - 2015.02.25 08:10:00 - [29845] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: The reason I raised it being targeted to assaults (as much as I'd love it on my scout) is that most games have a speed or stealth divide. Not both. Huh? So many multiplayer games I've played have had a speed and stealth rogue-style character. It's my go-to archetype in a mutliplayer game. I mean, what else are you gonna pair speed with? Armor. Duh. /sarcasm Have a suggestion for the Planetary Services Department? *Founder of AIV*
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6808	Posted - 2015.02.25 08:56:00 - [29846] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. marry me KILL THE HUSBONDO STEALER!!! Duster... Nooooo You don't know what you are sayin You are going to get Fifty Shades of Pseudowned You will drown in WP MOAR Ladders
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7737	Posted - 2015.02.25 09:02:00 - [29847] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked pIto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. I believe planetside 2 has something similar with light assaults. Allows for some more interesting gameplay. Perhaps assaults could get a bonus to it. Just make sure things like plates will work against its usefulness. 1000+ hp flying bricks really won't help things. Has there been any word on getting sprint speeds up over 11m/s? There's still not enough of a difference in the haves and the have nots when it comes to speed. I think if assaults could get up over 9.5 m/s comfortably + your myos they'd have good reason to run something other than HP. And king hp could do with being a little less useful. jump height is a factor of speed, which is a factor of plate stacking, therefore, bricks jump lower Would it be enough for say a heavy to jump on those odd 3 foot ledges with just one? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Sinboto Simmons Dead Man's Game RUST415 7737	Posted - 2015.02.25 09:07:00 - [29848] - Quote On the topic: been running a complex melee mod on a scout, even melee killed a few cocky assault guys, if there's another benefit to them that would be great however the problems with hit detection made er very touch and go. A no damage melee hit is time wasted, time that could have been used to apply more damage via weapons or to escape, ya know. By the way, any updates on that cloak override bug? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2 Born of the Brutor tribe
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4615	Posted - 2015.02.25 09:29:00 - [29849] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. All the likes! Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Pseudogenesis Nos Nothi 1849	Posted - 2015.02.25 09:29:00 - [29850] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Yea, we are scaling at 3 stacked proto myofibs on minmatar scouts being able to jump on top of the big containers. Stacking penalties = on proto jump increase is around 25% at that rate We are also using the opportunity to work on a active duration/cooldown jump pack equipment, like cloaks. Those would be more in the vein of Tribes or a traditional jump-pack ala 40k. marry me KILL THE HUSBONDO STEALER!!! You are going to get Fifty Shades of Pseudowned I should add this to my resume Stabby-stabber extraordinaire Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ I stabbed Rattati once, you know.



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