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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I need to balance feature development with revenues, that's simply my job.

The problem I have can be simplified down to a disagreement with your balancing of this.

All of your features are designed as revenue generators, rather than actual content features.

Fundamentally untrue, and malicious. When that happens, I simply stop listening.

Arkena is right.

Warbarges are not real content, just a pretty menu where you farm components and upgrade stuff. It's basically one of those freemium mobile games, and like a mobile game, it's not fun, and heavily monetized to the point of being obnoxious. Wait an unreasonable amount of time to get what you want, or spend a lot of money and speed things up, and to even claim some items created by a subsystem costs even more time/money. People paying money to get access to the damage bonus (while everyone else lags behind, and can't be comparatively competitive) is straying into serious P2W territory.

I was fine with the instant boosting, booster stacking, respecs, BPOs returning to the market, Apex suits (though colors are gaudy and unfashionable). I could tolerate loyalty ranks despite them counting AUR spendings massively more than any other factors. I didn't like strongboxes because they manipulatively prey on human psychological susceptibilities regarding the addictive nature of unknown rewards, and the rarity of keys under normal circumstances was excessive, but ultimately I could tolerate strongboxes. Warbarges cross a line, and frankly I find it insulting that this is the central "content" of an "expansion".

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Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14971	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:00:00 - [28771] - Quote Rattati, might I suggest making another module slot called "Assistance Computer" or however you want to call it, that basically reduces the usage requirements of the gear by 2 levels? So PRO requires 3, ADV requires 1 and STD doesn't require anything, just like Aurum gear does now. This would allow you to also remove AUR gear from the market, further reducing memory load but still keeping the skill requirements reduction a thing. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
noob cavman Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2113	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:09:00 - [28772] - Quote Haaaah... 35 kills 2512 war poimts Top of the board 230k isk T_T I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 2131	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:27:00 - [28773] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Willful ignorance, malicious representation and/or lying. That's the end of the line for me. While I do enjoy your time in the shop it does bring out the blue tag chasers. Mayhap there is a way to mask those in the feed so we can have a more production discussion :) Anyway, here is a fun fact. Have been playing PS2 on PC for this whole week and its garbage. I really hope they do some major improvements to it before it finished beta on PS4. I can only imagine how newbros feel when they play Dust for the first time. Vets make these F2P games so difficult to really get a grasp of how best to play. I don't remember having a hard time playing dust the first time, but that was when it was still in closed beta and frankly no one know what they were doing at the time. PS2 has a major downfall in that the maps are SO huge, multiple planets and the fact that sockets are so large, its going to be really difficult to get a decent battlefield awareness before you give up on the game. In retrospect I think Dust could use a greater set of game modes, especially of the smaller player size variety. Currently, the player sizes are similar across all the game modes. It would be nice for newbros under a certain SP level to be unable to Q into the larger game modes so they can get a handle on smaller scale battles (limited to a single socket) first. This allows them to really explore the sockets and get comfortable with them before they are thrown into a huge battle (multiple sockets) in which they don't know where they are getting shot from, or what is causing them to die. I say this because in PS2, there is a huge discrepancy (personally) in "fun factor" once you hit a certain player size in a battle. I have much more fun when its in the 24ish range because I feel like I am not dying from someone I don't even see (24-96+ battles). In the smaller scale battles I feel much more aware. I imagine this is similar in Dust. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16711	Posted - 2015.02.06 14:56:00 - [28774] - Quote I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 861	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:06:00 - [28775] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. these cant possibly be the same heavies in lavs from , well, since forever? the same ones forums are littered with threads about? the same heavies CCP doesnt seem to know anything about? those heavies? about f'ing time. god it feels like it takes years to fix things around here. great work on a lot of other things though.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 6707	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:07:00 - [28776] - Quote finally got the time to put in for some keys Quafe Combat Rifle MOAR Ladders
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2024	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:07:00 - [28777] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. May I suggest joing a corp,it'll help. The pirates doors are open XD serious note been seeing a bug with people in cloaks. And it makes me giggle everytime. TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3559	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:08:00 - [28778] - Quote I say bring back two shot AV nades god those where days. Or AV mines they where even better.... i miss closed beta so much =ƒÿò You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16728	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:21:00 - [28779] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. these cant possibly be the same heavies in lavs from , well, since forever? the same ones forums are littered with threads about? the same heavies CCP doesnt seem to know anything about? those heavies? about f'ing time. god it feels like it takes years to fix things around here. great work on a lot of other things though. Heavies are not the problem, they are dealt with easy enough. It's the knowhow and experience of veterans harvesting new players, for I guess fun. Rollng an alt, just to go relentlessly 30/0 in the academy is frankly, disgusting behaviour. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3561	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:26:00 - [28780] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. these cant possibly be the same heavies in lavs from , well, since forever? the same ones forums are littered with threads about? the same heavies CCP doesnt seem to know anything about? those heavies? about f'ing time. god it feels like it takes years to fix things around here. great work on a lot of other things though. Heavies are not the problem, they are dealt with easy enough. It's the knowhow and experience of veterans harvesting new players, for I guess fun. Rollng an alt, just to go relentlessly 30/0 in the academy is frankly, disgusting behaviour. However it's been a long standing issue on FPS gaming since quake Lan partys =ƒÿò. I would put down good isk these guys will simply make new psn accounts to get around any lockout you do =ƒÿò You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance

J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2025	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:30:00 - [28781] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. these cant possibly be the same heavies in lavs from , well, since forever? the same ones forums are littered with threads about? the same heavies CCP doesnt seem to know anything about? those heavies? about f'ing time. god it feels like it takes years to fix things around here. great work on a lot of other things though. Heavies are not the problem, they are dealt with easy enough. It's the knowhow and experience of veterans harvesting new players, for I guess fun. Rollng an alt, just to go relentlessly 30/0 in the academy is frankly, disgusting behaviour. Not that I've put thought into this but it would be an easy and pretty quick way of boosting a corp onto the top of the leaderboards. Corp kdr atleast TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1111	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:35:00 - [28782] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. I created 2 new mercs with warlords to see how being a noob is. One match in academy I went like 50/4. Yeah, I know many of you proto stompers do that daily but this is me. Agree, I should not be in the academy at loyalty rank 10. 11 on my main but new char are 7k from 11 But will we be granted the SP based on the WP it takes to get out of the academy? That is some sp for a few skills. Heavies in LAVs, lol. This is finally an issue. Thanks and look forward to you sharing more.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 303	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:42:00 - [28783] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Maitue Mae wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Dropsuit BPOs really should be skins that you can apply to any tier of that type of suit, not STD level free suits IMO. I'd pay money to purchase one of those Brutor skins if it was permanent and I could apply it to an unlimited amount of my suits. I hate spending money on stuff that I can lose to some BS accident like the way the current AUR suits work. This may be closer than you think, born out of performance discussions as these BPO's are using up memory. There are interesting things happening. Please... go on. You have every one's attention. Since you said please :) So, I am jumping the gun a little, it's theoretically working but the idea is to create skin modules, that dynamically alter the skins, much like damage modifiers, treating colors like actual attributes. Currently, the dropsuits just reference a material instance that tells it what it should look like. That means every dropsuit is unique, not a copy of a parent, which means when 32 dropsuits are fighting, there may be 32 unique dropsuits on the field, taking up memory. The idea is to replace all colored variants with skin modules that look the same. That will allow us to "remove" dropsuit types from player inventories, and refund with modules and normal bpo's of the same type. No loss of utility or worth. Thereby improving memory, decreasing clutter in dropsuit fittings, and allowing players to use the skin module on adv and proto suits as well. I am just so excited about this, that I had to share with others than CPM. No promises though! Wonderful! Also, somewhere down the line we could add a paintbucket tool for players to adjust these values themselves and then pay Aurum for that BPO. Letting players 100% customize their look would be fun. But also imagine a corp distributing skin BPO's as designated corp uniforms; showing off membership or even special ranks in the corp.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 16739	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:46:00 - [28784] - Quote Celus Ivara wrote: But also imagine a corp distributing skin BPO's as designated corp uniforms; showing off membership or even special ranks in the corp. yah dennie has never mentioned that dream ever... "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

BAMM HAVOC Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 730	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:54:00 - [28785] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Celus Ivara wrote: But also imagine a corp distributing skin BPO's as designated corp uniforms; showing off membership or even special ranks in the corp. yah dennie has never mentioned that dream ever... Rat man, can I have bacon flavoured drop suits please? *YOU TUBEZ* *BLOGZ*
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1111	Posted - 2015.02.06 15:57:00 - [28786] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: DeathwindRising wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. these cant possibly be the same heavies in lavs from , well, since forever? the same ones forums are littered with threads about? the same heavies CCP doesnt seem to know anything about? those heavies? about f'ing time. god it feels like it takes years to fix things around here. great work on a lot of other things though. Heavies are not the problem, they are dealt with easy enough. It's the knowhow and experience of veterans harvesting new players, for I guess fun. Rollng an alt, just to go relentlessly 30/0 in the academy is frankly, disgusting behaviour. It don't take a heavy in an LAV to do that in the Academy. It just takes knowing the game and watching all the newberries run straight for the ONE objective as you sit behind them blasting them with a RR from 80m away.
Hawkings Greenback Dead Man's Game RUST415 301	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:11:00 - [28787] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. Everyone should start an alt and start from scratch occassionally. It lends a little balance to how you see the game. Props to you for doing this. But every night I burn. Screaming the animal scream. Every night I burn. Dreaming the crow-black dream.
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2475	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:11:00 - [28788] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I need to balance feature development with revenues, that's simply my job. The problem I have can be simplified down to a disagreement with your balancing of this. All of your features are designed as revenue generators, rather than actual content features. Fundamentally untrue, and malicious. When that happens, I simply stop listening. Arkena is right. Warbarges are not real content, just a pretty menu where you farm components and upgrade stuff. It's basically one of those freemium mobile games, and like a mobile game, it's not fun, and heavily monetized to the point of being obnoxious. Wait an unreasonable amount of time to get what you want, or spend a lot of money and speed things up, and to even claim some items created by a subsystem costs even more time/money. People paying money to get access to the damage bonus (while everyone else lags behind, and can't be comparatively competitive) is straying into serious P2W territory. I was fine with the instant boosting, booster stacking, respecs, BPOs returning to the market, Apex suits (though colors are gaudy and unfashionable). I could tolerate loyalty ranks despite them counting AUR spendings massively more than any other factors. I didn't like strongboxes because they manipulatively prey on human psychological susceptibilities regarding the addictive nature of unknown rewards, and the rarity of keys under normal circumstances was excessive, but ultimately I could tolerate strongboxes. Warbarges cross a line, and frankly I find it insulting that this is the central "content" of an "expansion". I largely agree with Kage. This agreement is not born of maliciousness or deceit(@ Rattati: I shouldn't have to make this disclaimer and neither should Arkena or Kage). The additions of loyalty ranks, daily missions, strongbox salvage and the warbarge to the game are not additions to Dust's gameplay. They're 'wrappers' around the core gameplay and do not add or detract from the experience of actually loading into a match and playing DUST. For lack of a better word, i'm going to call this 'meta' content. Meta content can be tremendously valuable to a game and can function as an elegant tool for world building, creating immersion and engaging players, so there are no disagreements, in principle, to the type of content that has been added to DUST lately. But it does raise several concerns for the well-being of DUST, which i will try to communicate below: New Player Retention These meta-systems do nothing to change/remove the frustrations that new players experience when trying out DUST for the first time. Those frustrations are born primarily of flawed core mechanics, matchmaking, overwhelming complexity. The new systems increase the perceived complexity of DUST, but more damningly the new systems are obvious RMT tools. That raises a flag with new players: One of the first things i do in any f2p game, even before sampling the gameplay, is to go through every menu and estimate how much of the gameplay is squeezed through RMT 'gates'. The other thing i'm looking for is the counterbalance to the RMT channel: is it skill or intelligence based difficulty or is it soul-destroying, time-consuming grind? If i see too much RMT and the grind is obvious i prolly won't even sample the gameplay. If i really like the idea of the game then i'll play it a bit to get a better handle on just how much grind/RMT is required. If i encounter bad/sloppy mechanics/gamedesign in those trial playthrough then it's over almost immediately - the game isn't worth investing in. I think if i was encountering DUST for the first time today, and didn't have a love affair with New Eden going on, i would dismiss it in short order based on RMT impression and mechanics/match balance. Veteran Experience Irrelevant. The meta additions are virtually invisible to me and prolly many other players, and are only worthy of attention out of concern for the game itself. My personal impression of the new content is as cobwebs i have to brush aside to get a better view of the battlefield. I suppose with the warbarge damage bonus it's as if those cobwebs bite back. The new meta content address none of my concerns/frustrations with DUST, with the possible exception of resolving alt-corps in PC.....but we'll have to wait and see about that. There's more but work beckons... PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2475	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:15:00 - [28789] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I have been playing as a new player in the last weeks, start an alt every day. There are quite a few things that can be done. One, instead of character WP throwing you out, account WP should throw you out. Multiple heavies in LAVs redlining newbs, constantly. I will share more soon. Well done, every good king has to go out among his people and shovel pigshit for crusts of bread. It's the only way to wipe the lies of the retainers and sycophants out of the royal eyes. PSN: RationalSpark
Balistyc Farshot The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 50	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:19:00 - [28790] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Celus Ivara wrote: But also imagine a corp distributing skin BPO's as designated corp uniforms; showing off membership or even special ranks in the corp. yah dennie has never mentioned that dream ever... I would also put out there that we could organize better with those skin colors. Internal point squad is gold, external squad is black, fast attack squad is purple. Then we can coordinate better. People wear uniforms for a reason. Also it could reduce friendly fire. Heavy with a massive bullet hose called Lola (Burst HMG).

noob cavman Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2114	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:26:00 - [28791] - Quote Follow my leader leader leader! Follow my leader! I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Celus Ivara DUST University Ivy League 303	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:41:00 - [28792] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Celus Ivara wrote: But also imagine a corp distributing skin BPO's as designated corp uniforms; showing off membership or even special ranks in the corp. yah dennie has never mentioned that dream ever... Haha! Listen, the D-Uni bunnies just wanna teach new players while looking fabulous! Is that so wrong? ;D
Jebus McKing Nos Nothi 1426	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:56:00 - [28793] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Heavies are not the problem, they are dealt with easy enough. It's the knowhow and experience of veterans harvesting new players, for I guess fun. Rollng an alt, just to go relentlessly 30/0 in the academy is frankly, disgusting behaviour. I have to admit, I too went to the Academy once. And what made me even more sad was to imagine these people coming out of the academy a few matches later, still in their low level gear and without even the basic skills needed to fight 6 assholes like myself which will now have 2-3 times the hp and damage output. Jebus still hates scans.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6416	Posted - 2015.02.06 16:58:00 - [28794] - Quote Killboard online downstairs. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21864	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:15:00 - [28795] - Quote Guess which continent is ahead on the killboard? :Bittervetting intensifies:
noob cavman Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2114	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:18:00 - [28796] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Guess which continent is ahead on the killboard? Shanking ability over gun game I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6419	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:18:00 - [28797] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Guess which continent is ahead on the killboard? If we subtract Asia values from Eurasia, your scores are more in line with Oceania :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 21864	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:19:00 - [28798] - Quote Add me to the board so I can carry the other scrubs then. :Bittervetting intensifies:
noob cavman Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2114	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:21:00 - [28799] - Quote why no noob on list? I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 2026	Posted - 2015.02.06 17:22:00 - [28800] - Quote I guess everyone looking the same could help unity. Saying it will help tactics sounds alittle funny to me though. hey guys where am I suppose to be?!? -Um dude what color are you uhhh* -look down man ohhhh! I'm blue! what's that mean. City? I think that's city right -no dude blue is home point and av Or something along those lines, I will say proto suits not being black would get me killed a few times from mistaking it for someth ng else. TLDR : I lied, I have at least 3 more.



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