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Spademan Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4876	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:18:00 - [26161] - Quote By the way @Ghost: Sorry for dropping earlier, switchboard flipped. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 988	Posted - 2014.12.04 22:29:00 - [26162] - Quote Bojo the Mighty: LFS First Prophet: Min FW? Bojo the Mighty: No. And FU.
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1017	Posted - 2014.12.04 23:55:00 - [26163] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: On the topic, I asked Musturd a few weeks back whether or not he ever Raptor Jumped. He said something smooth like "man, I don't mess with that sh*t; jumping wipes out your stamina, and stamina is what you need to get away or get to the next guy." But Musturd is forgetting something very important: Raptor jumping is badass Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15480	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:35:00 - [26164] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: Bojo the Mighty: LFS First Prophet: Min FW? Bojo the Mighty: No. And FU. Cause Bojo knows he's Gal-Amarr-ous! *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1147	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:42:00 - [26165] - Quote What country has a name that is six letters long and fires so many shots a year you'd think an officer saying 'All I did was pew pew pew." would be regular? RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1147	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:43:00 - [26166] - Quote Oh and they worship birds and cats. RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 15480	Posted - 2014.12.05 01:44:00 - [26167] - Quote I wanna point out for reference to all scouts who may visit the Barber's Shop. Amarr kite...not brawl. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2016	Posted - 2014.12.05 02:31:00 - [26168] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Bayeth Mal wrote: TL:DR I came here because the rest of the forums was an insanely negative place filled with dumb-asses, maybe Rattati is doing the same. I'm sorry, but this is hardly a magical haven of rainbows and unicorns where nobody whines. I never claimed as much, I've stated severial times that we have our share of crazies. This place is just the lesser of two evils. We'll bang, OK?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5669	Posted - 2014.12.05 03:18:00 - [26169] - Quote Pseudogenesis wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: On the topic, I asked Musturd a few weeks back whether or not he ever Raptor Jumped. He said something smooth like "man, I don't mess with that sh*t; jumping wipes out your stamina, and stamina is what you need to get away or get to the next guy." But Musturd is forgetting something very important: Raptor jumping is badass Not that mustard is not badass in his own right. But there are a few styles of knifing out there. I like the Side Slash as well as the Raptor, also once you've maxed out the damage potential raptor jump is less of a necessityGÇª Scalpel working is sometimes better, but they work better situationally victims suit, awareness, how many other victims are aboutGÇª MOAR Ladders
Bayeth Mal Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 2019	Posted - 2014.12.05 07:02:00 - [26170] - Quote [quote=True Adamance]I wanna point out for reference to all scouts who may visit the Barber's Shop. Amarr kite...not brawl.[. /quote] And if you can come up with good bonuses to encourage that play style, not only will I support it, I'll spec into Amarr scout (my first non gal suit). As the ranged flanker has been my preferred style for a long time. What if they got a bonus to KinCat efficiency over time? For each 1 second sprinting +1% efficiency or something like that, encourages long distance flanking maneuvers rather than CQC sprint, kill,sprint, kill. We'll bang, OK?

Spectral Clone Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3242	Posted - 2014.12.05 07:47:00 - [26171] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Haerr wrote: So sad... :'-( I have all the MKB threads on my own trello, they would fall under "User Experience" on the Roadmap I hope my research can help you in fine tuning the mouse emulation! EVE: Legion, also known as: Schroedinger's Game, EVE: Limbo, or just "Not-a-game-yet".
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1149	Posted - 2014.12.05 10:25:00 - [26172] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: On the topic, I asked Musturd a few weeks back whether or not he ever Raptor Jumped. He said something smooth like "man, I don't mess with that sh*t; jumping wipes out your stamina, and stamina is what you need to get away or get to the next guy." But Musturd is forgetting something very important: Raptor jumping is badass Not that mustard is not badass in his own right. But there are a few styles of knifing out there. I like the Side Slash as well as the Raptor, also once you've maxed out the damage potential raptor jump is less of a necessityGÇª Scalpel working is sometimes better, but they work better situationally victims suit, awareness, how many other victims are aboutGÇª What techniques are there? I usually just come from above... or below... or beside... anywhere you can run from. RPG!. The Ultimate Forum Passing-Time MetaGame!
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 249	Posted - 2014.12.05 18:29:00 - [26173] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: So a thought just occurred to me... It has been awhile since we talked about charging NKs while sprinting. Previously, I was always dead set against it as it would have made knifing super OP. Quil's comment about Rattati needing to bring down the shotgun a bit (though it affects Knifers despite any suggestion so far that our data similarly shows we are OP), in combination with the new scan mechanics makes me think it needs a second look. Consider Quil's math on having to catch up walk speed vs walk speed regarding other suits. When it comes to lone heavies, a lot of times I charge while walking a few meters away so they don't hear me charge, and so I don't risk Raptor Jumping right past them. Now, I could very well show up on their tacnet even if they don't hear me. Even though they would end up surviving my Charged Ishukones anyways. Do any of you think that a charge while sprinting mechanic in 1.10 and beyond, given what we know so far, would make knifers over perform like it would have pre 1.10? I have to say that I am still against charging while sprinting. It will make us lazy. The leap-kill is still the most efficient way to take someone out, perhaps having a way to streamline that better would be in order. For example: Right now we keep our momentum when we jump, which allows us to charge and swipe at people, often getting at least one swipe in the face of our victim, netting a 150% bonus damage on that swing. This is ideal for taking out heavies in one slash of Ishukones. The problem is that the lack of inertia allows people to literally jitter out of the way without any loss of speed when changing directions. After we've committed to the jump, they can twitch into a different spot and they disappear from our field of view. If the game had deceleration to change vector when moving, leap-kills would become 50% more intuitive. Secondly, what if we reduced jump height? When we jump, we are committed to that jump for the duration we spend in the air. We don't need to jump for a long distance, we just need to be airborn for 0.8 seconds. Often we are flying too high which leads to a much longer commitment to our destination. This is what keeps me from using dual KinCats. If we had a way to jump less high, without reducing our speed, we could have quicker leap kills with shorter periods of commitment without being able to change our destination. This means we could jump at our targets from closer without the risk of flying past them, and if we miss, we spend less time being committed to that mistake, flying through the air. What are others opinions' on the matter?
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 250	Posted - 2014.12.05 19:01:00 - [26174] - Quote IDEA: create a bigger margin of difference between a jump with the button held down and one with the jump only tapped. There already is a small difference I can confirm 100% (though, that difference MAY only be graphical/camera related, but there is definitely a graphical effect the moment you let go of the jump button). I would propose a light tap of the jump button send you less high vertically. this would cater to leap kills that need short jumps at full speed without reducing the ability of jumping over between rooftops.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 19873	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:07:00 - [26175] - Quote Jump over skyscrapers! The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1230	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:10:00 - [26176] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Jump over skyscrapers! Or tunnel under... nevermind. I'm glad bob had life insurance! *[Level 1 Forums] [Level 100 Caldari Loyalist]* *Master of the Calssault*
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1003	Posted - 2014.12.05 20:14:00 - [26177] - Quote @ Kaeru Uncomfortable with a few of the claims presented above. I am going to nitpick the lines in question to ensure that we're on the same page. "The leap-kill is still the most efficient way to take someone out..." I (for one) would be uncomfortable ascribing the label "most efficient" to a largely unreliable maneuver. As you pointed out, even the slightest variation in target trajectory lands you off course. "... often getting at last one swipe in face of our victim, netting a 150% bonus damage on that swing" In my experience, Nova Knife headshots are superbly rare, even on days when I am not drinking. The word "often" implies otherwise. If the game had deceleration to change vector when moving, leap-kills would become 50% more intuitive. Deceleration is a wonderful idea, but this "50% more intuitive" line has my troll detector tinging.
Kaeru Nayiri OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 253	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:13:00 - [26178] - Quote You have every right to nitpik, you make good points. I will try to address them and clarify. ' I (for one) would be uncomfortable ascribing the label "most efficient" to a largely unreliable maneuver. As you pointed out, even the slightest variation in target trajectory lands you off course. ' It is efficient in terms of time to kill. It is the quickest kill timed from the moment you begin to move in on the target to the moment they are dead. If it is unreliable (miss) or undesirable (loss of stamina) that is another discussion entirely. "In my experience, Nova Knife headshots are superbly rare, even on days when I am not drinking. The words "often" and "at least" suggest otherwise." I seem to get them often enough to be worth mentioning, I got second place during the sidearm event in my attempt to name nova knives and I could really tell when I was getting headshot damage boosts by how quickly certain specific suits would go down. I also found out that it has a sound effect, separate from the standard headshot sound (but it's much much quieter and easily gets drowned out by the noise). The way it happens the MOST often is when you leap beside them rather than onto their backs. This way you slash at their face, not the back. Quote: If the game had deceleration to change vector when moving, leap-kills would become 50% more intuitive. "Deceleration is a wonderful idea, but the "50% more intuitive" 'bit has my troll detector tingling." Intuitive was a very poor choice of word. I meant no trolling whatsoever with this. I will try my best to explain through example rather than looking for another word to interpret. Right now, with sharp sudden changes in direction and speed, coupled with hit detection issues. it's easy to attempt a leap-kill, land seemingly on target, blue hit sparks and all, only to find your target is no longer in field of view. Sometimes it's not even clear if they are on your right or left. This is fatal, frustrating and unpolished. With inertia that forced deceleration before changing directions, both the success and failure of the maneuver would feel more natural. If you really messed up, it would be obvious right at the beginning of the jump. If they just moved out of the way after you began to jump, it would be clear where they would be going and how to correct your mistake after you land. Perhaps "natural" would have been a better choice of word. "Please don't take offense. I really like your ideas; just want to make sure you've a solid foundation to support them." I have a lot of respect for you and I will happily take all criticism. If we cannot criticize ourselves we cannot be honest with one another. No offense can be taken from that. EDIT: changed my wording in the headshot paragraph, that didn't come out right
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1406	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:32:00 - [26179] - Quote 2 Weapon maxed out. That means... My ADV CR has evolved into a PROTO CR. I've fallen in love with my Six Kin... *[Level 1 Forums] [Level 100 Caldari Loyalist]* *Master of the Calssault*
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1005	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:36:00 - [26180] - Quote So you were the guy who came in second place for the sidearm event!? Kudos, Kaeru! If Shotty were still here, all your drinks would be on the house. Thanks for the followup and clarification; agreed on all points. o7

sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1406	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:38:00 - [26181] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: So you were the guy who came in second place for the sidearm event!? Kudos, Kaeru! If Shotty were still here, all your drinks would be on the house. Thanks for the followup and clarification; agreed on all points. o7 I have 3 billion, will that work? *[Level 1 Forums] [Level 100 Caldari Loyalist]* *Master of the Calssault*
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5677	Posted - 2014.12.05 21:47:00 - [26182] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: So you were the guy who came in second place for the sidearm event!? Kudos, Kaeru! If Shotty were still here, all your drinks would be on the house. Thanks for the followup and clarification; agreed on all points. o7 Kaeru had my respect at Nova Knife and FlaylockGÇª We share a style MOAR Ladders
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1418	Posted - 2014.12.05 22:01:00 - [26183] - Quote I just went 92/7 in academy. KD for that alt is unbelievable. *[Level 1 Forums] [Level 100 Caldari Loyalist]* *Master of the Calssault*
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5679	Posted - 2014.12.05 23:45:00 - [26184] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: I just went 92/7 in academy. KD for that alt is unbelievable. You're a monster MOAR Ladders
sir RAVEN WING Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 1450	Posted - 2014.12.05 23:47:00 - [26185] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: sir RAVEN WING wrote: I just went 92/7 in academy. KD for that alt is unbelievable. You monster! FTFY *[Level 1 Forums] [Level 100 Caldari Loyalist]* *Master of the Calssault*
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1312	Posted - 2014.12.05 23:49:00 - [26186] - Quote 3 mill unallocated and 5 suits labeled Noclue1-5. Weekend shall be interesting. TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Llast 326 An Arkhos 5679	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:08:00 - [26187] - Quote sir RAVEN WING wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Pseudogenesis wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: On the topic, I asked Musturd a few weeks back whether or not he ever Raptor Jumped. He said something smooth like "man, I don't mess with that sh*t; jumping wipes out your stamina, and stamina is what you need to get away or get to the next guy." But Musturd is forgetting something very important: Raptor jumping is badass Not that mustard is not badass in his own right. But there are a few styles of knifing out there. I like the Side Slash as well as the Raptor, also once you've maxed out the damage potential raptor jump is less of a necessityGÇª Scalpel working is sometimes better, but they work better situationally victims suit, awareness, how many other victims are aboutGÇª What techniques are there? I usually just come from above... or below... or beside... anywhere you can run from. I don't even know where to begin with this Many people, particularly when they first start Knifing go for the Static style Cutting up the stationary targets Victims are Snipers, people hacking objects, standing in doorways (why they do this I will never understand) Speed cutting is probably what I do mostGÇª Never stop moving. Around corners, off catwalks, constantly hunting people down. Damage is huge for this because It's not often you get a full charge hit. Lot's of run up beside and angle slashing. Quick turn for the hit after getting a bit in front of them. This requires using their field of view against them. People packing Plasma Canons are easy victims from the right side. Raptor is a great move chasing down those suits who move fast, and are all alone. people know this one pretty well i think Opportunist strikes are pretty common as well. This is just relying on stealth and victims simply being unaware of your presence. I think this happens a lot and is the natural progression from the hitting stationary targets. Many a Gal Knifer uses this technique, and can be accomplished without speed fairly easily in large socket settings. MOAR Ladders
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 6370	Posted - 2014.12.06 00:35:00 - [26188] - Quote @ Kaeru and Quil I agree that at this poit Sprint Charging would probably still be OP. I like have always liked the idea of including inertia in the movement, not just for knifing but for all the strafing complaints. Just trying to figure out what sort of changes we can come up with in case 1.10 is really hard on knifers without removing the changes that brought that about in the first place. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 1318	Posted - 2014.12.06 01:19:00 - [26189] - Quote Some will never learn. 1 RE beats 3 ARs TLDR : Last Dust Montage
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1020	Posted - 2014.12.06 01:42:00 - [26190] - Quote Sprinting with charge should never happen, ever. It's way too easy to 1 shot a suit now, it would just become another shotgun. The backpedal penalty would be really nice. It would almost offset the pain of the cloak becoming unusable :( Stabby-stabber extraordinaire I stabbed Rattati once, you know.



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