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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.02 12:16:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:
I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do.
Engineering+Core level 5? ...on a mk.0.
No chance! Not without dropping decent highs at least. I can barely squeeze on two kincats with a basic sidearm, basic cloak, no grenade ...
Scout mk.0 (~10 m/s)
HS: Cmp Sidearm Dmg, Cmp Shield Ext (x2)
LS: Cmp Damp, Cmp KinCat, Enh KinCat
EQ: Bsc Cloak, Bsc Remote
PW: Pro Knives
SW: Std Bolt
GR: Empty
^ Could swap Remote for Compact Hive then trade Enh KinCat for Cmp KinCat ... adds something like 0.3 m/s to topspeed.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.02 12:32:00 -
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@ Appia, Jace, Void
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2386465#post2386465
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Haerr
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Posted - 2014.10.02 15:00:00 -
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How would you imagine pirate faction suits?
Perhaps you would like them to be based of the basic frames or maybe you prefer them to be based on specialised suits?
Either way here are the Pirate Factions that build their own ships in eve: (They require two racial skills to be used.)
Angel Cartel (Minmatar and Gallente)
Blood Raiders (Amarr and Minmatar)
Guristas (Caldari and Gallente)
Mordu's Legion (Caldari and Gallente)
Sansha's Nation (Amarr and Caldari)
Serpentis (Gallente and Minmatar)
Sisters of Eve (Amarr and Gallente)
I would love to see Guristas or Mordu's Legion suits... (I may or may not have specced into Caldari and Gallente suits...)
If it was my choice I would make a Guristas Scout suit that had a bonus to dampening. I would be pretty happy with a suit like that even if it had no other bonuses! |
icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:00:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:Cass Caul wrote: And Jace learns the lesson that a scanned Scout is a dead Scout I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do. Engineering+Core level 5? Surely by now you must be sitting on like 15mil SP? Once I hit 20 I kinda lost interest in SP, I got what I wanted and have wasted the rest on lol fits. Just be glad you have the MCC and triple SP events early, I started at the beginning of uprising. I didn't see a triple SP event or anything until I'd been playing for >6 months. You guys misunderstood me, I think. I can fit 3 complex kincats on a mk.0. I can also lose 10 mk.0 suits in a match due to being seen by literally every other scout in the match while not being able to see them. I should have said "I don't know how the **** they get away with not fitting damps, but I never get away with it."
Hide Seek Find
honestly the not being seen is #1 priority in my book
and assuming everyone else has max skills... cause thats what I have means as a bare minimum my Min is running 1 Damp
cause if not the bloody proliferation of OP Gal Scouts can see you when unlcoaked, and if they equip 1 precision they got you when cloaked as well
incidentally my OP Gal scouts all have 1 cPE on them :P
If you run into an amarr well just give up cause whats the point in not running precisions on it and there is no way you can compete with that |
icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:05:00 -
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icdedppul wrote:If you run into an amarr well just give up cause whats the point in not running precisions on it and there is no way you can compete with that
on a side note I do realize that there are people out there who are not scouts but "RP" Amarr and so the only scout suit they actually own is an Amarr.. so you might see them out not running dual cPE
but honestly if you get killed by an Amarr scout with 75 shields or less, just assume hes running dual precisions
Scout - Mk0, Gk0, Ck0, Ak0 |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:06:00 -
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Pirate suits?
Natural Race's Defenses
Off Race's Offenses.
Support Slot Layout
Faction's Colors.
Drops only treated like officer level items.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
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icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:11:00 -
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honestly it would be awesome if getting all 4 unlocked would give me something awesome
besides the ability to drop any scout suit in game of course :P |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:21:00 -
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I am open to suggestions for such suits;
Maybe special themes for each race as well.
Dont expect them anytime soon.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
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icdedppul
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:30:00 -
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so thought about it and decided against it.. unless they were balanced against the other suits and just a different flavor, it would be bad for the game
so because I have played longer then you and have all these glorious skill points which inherently makes me better then you anyways, I can also equip this suit which is better then anything you can use....
we already have this problem with the proto vs scrubland we have now, would not want to see it expand |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:58:00 -
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icdedppul wrote:so thought about it and decided against it.. unless they were balanced against the other suits and just a different flavor, it would be bad for the game
so because I have played longer then you and have all these glorious skill points which inherently makes me better then you anyways, I can also equip this suit which is better then anything you can use....
we already have this problem with the proto vs scrubland we have now, would not want to see it expand
This can be mitigated with sticking to certain rules.
Role : default on suit (akin to the fitting bonus assaults get)
Bonus 1; Race 1 Defense / Utility Side
Bonus 2; Race 2 Offense / Support Side
eHP cannot surpass either parent suit's ehp.
Total toal cannot surpass either parent suit's slot count.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.02 17:34:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote: Jace, wrong core skills. Armor upgrades 5 & shield upgrades 5.
@Mal, warlock blink is very different from hunter blink. Very different.
Back to Jace: KinCats are not a means of survival, they are so you can kill the other guy faster. 3x complex KinCats or 0, when you get spotted you die.
Shield 5, Armor 3 - 10% more armor from Armor Upgrades 5 would amount to what, 8 raw hp? Hard to imagine that saving me from ScR, BP, BScP, RR, or any of the other stuff killing me in under 2 seconds.
As it is, I'm running 2x Enh Shield Extenders in the highs. I have one fit I mess around with with reactives on it as well, but I can't say that's been keeping me alive at all either. Most of the scouts who're scanning me when I'm not fully dampened are either shotgunners I don't see coming or rail rifles, ACRs or ScRs. I did tank a BP shot in that fit and stab the Gal Assault using it for a primary weapon in the face, though.
Gall Assault, Bolt Pistol primary - that's when you know something is OP. When Assaults ignore their racial weapon bonuses altogether and run dual off-race sidearms.
Pseudogenesis wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:Cass Caul wrote: And Jace learns the lesson that a scanned Scout is a dead Scout I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do. The trick is to replace the desire for a high K/D with the desire to go fast. This instructional video should help you understand.
I've been unclear again.
I don't care about KD. I care about being ISK positive and thus not perpetually broke.
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 17:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:icdedppul wrote:so thought about it and decided against it.. unless they were balanced against the other suits and just a different flavor, it would be bad for the game
so because I have played longer then you and have all these glorious skill points which inherently makes me better then you anyways, I can also equip this suit which is better then anything you can use....
we already have this problem with the proto vs scrubland we have now, would not want to see it expand This can be mitigated with sticking to certain rules. Role : default on suit (akin to the fitting bonus assaults get) Bonus 1; Race 1 Defense / Utility Side Bonus 2; Race 2 Offense / Support Side eHP cannot surpass either parent suit's ehp. Tota slots cannot surpass either parent suit's slot count.
So let me run this by you.
Serpentis Scout.
Role: Cloak fitting reduction.
Bonus 1: Gallente dampening bonus.
Bonus 2: Minmatar Nova Knife bonus.
Less tHP than a Minmatar Scout.
Something like this?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:15:00 -
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^ So like, 100 HP? I don't know how frequently those drops would be, but you'd lose them suits fast
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
I stabbed Rattati once, you know.
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:46:00 -
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If I got that suit in salvage, I would run it the very next match.
I'ma die anyway, why not lol
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:15:00 -
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I think it embodies the whole "risk/reward" thing quite well.
If you can use it well it could be deadly. Of course, a mousefart will render you incapacitated.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:35:00 -
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Bayeth Mal wrote:mollerz wrote:
It seems like IWS has a real serious thing for destiny hating. He might be my yin to my Dust disgust. hm....
On that note- you hunters out there.. what's your thoughts on blink jump?
The ranting reminds me of the console wars, desperately trying to push their opinion to validate their choices. I didn't realise 12 year olds could be on the CPM? I'm a warlock and have the blink ability. Could be really good in PvP if I didn't find it so disorientating. PvE I haven't really tried it much, you seem to lose a fair bit of your tactical flexibility in manuvering to cover etc.
Well, I still like IWS. But man- I do not like his analysis of things.
I usd to seriously hate blinking specifically because it was disorienting.. but if you stick with it to the point you start having accurate control, that will clear up. you'll know exactly where you will land and in which direction you'll be facing. And you can blink multiple times quickly after awhile. (unless it bugs out). I wanted to specifically bring it up because I was initially disappointed by it after looking forward to it for months... but once I got the hang.. outside of a desire for perhaps another meter of height.. I knew it was rightly an advanced skill.
I'm seriously fukn serious
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:42:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:mollerz wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:Cass Caul wrote: And Jace learns the lesson that a scanned Scout is a dead Scout I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do. Maxed Core skills and sacrifices. Core 5. Electronics 5. Engineering 5. Profile Dampening 5. The sacrifice seems to be dampening in favor of speed... which is getting me nowhere fast. (That's a pun, see  )
It does change the game and the tactics accordingly. Things may have changed a bit since I only played this style a few patches back, but knives were harder so I imagine it's easier now (unless the new bug I'm hearing about rears its head).
You can't hunt scouts. That isn't what's for dinner when you are speedy unless you have to. You should be hunting heaviesa nd logis only. And especially the outliers. The weak. Never stop moving. If people can see you, then lure them into traps. don't be afraid to charge like mountain lion with its ass on fire... make people panic 
Another specifically good tactic with this is to run into the red blob while they are busy fighting your team. Typically people in this situation have tunnel vision and are not paying attention to their tacnet. Use the reds bodies as shields as you run around slashing people. If all goes well you'll get kills, assists, and blast out of there. your team mates will love it because now they can pick everyone off because they are all spinning in circles tryin to take you out.
I'm seriously fukn serious
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:44:00 -
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Cass Caul wrote: Jace, wrong core skills. Armor upgrades 5 & shield upgrades 5.
@Mal, warlock blink is very different from hunter blink. Very different.
Back to Jace: KinCats are not a means of survival, they are so you can kill the other guy faster. 3x complex KinCats or 0, when you get spotted you die.
Oh ****.. I didn't realize. How is the warlock blink different?
I'm seriously fukn serious
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:44:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:Cass Caul wrote: And Jace learns the lesson that a scanned Scout is a dead Scout I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do.
The trick is to use the speed to quite literally stun your enemy...always assume they can track you through walls, so stay VERY close to cover at all times, and make sure to check your 6 constantly.
Don't even bother using a cloak, all it does is encourage immobility which will kill you. IF you stop moving, you die.
If someone engages you with a ranged weapon from behind, get to cover ASAP.
Also, precisions are your friend. They'll help you get out of what would be 2/3v1s not in your favor.
Use a SG, not knives. The SG benefits more so than the knives do.
Run links to help your team, and STAY OUT OF THE OPEN.
I run a triple KC fit for PC on occasion, and actually find it to be very good. Your main target is Logis that link spam or other scouts, since you can outflank anyone in the game.
http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/8145
here it is.
Don't take on heavies.
And yes, I do actually run this in PC's
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:46:00 -
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Jace, only fit what you need to avoid their scans. Most scouts that are seeing you right off the bat likely are not running full ewar. Pay attention to their total health, it will notify you what you need to run to counter their scans. You can probably get away with only a single damp and a complex red.
If you go into a match right off as "full damp" its mostly a waste, of isk and fitting.
Honestly I haven't played in 2 months because of the constant changes, so things may be different than I experienced in the past. I just couldn't handle it anymore. I prefer a little more consistency and CCP was laser focused on changing everything multiple times. I gave up. I've had suits where their role bonus changed 3 or 4 times. Quite a few of them changed entirely to the point where it no longer resembles the reason I placed SP into that role. That sort of thing is beyond aggravating at the glacial pace you get those roles back. The straw that broke the camels back was when they moved my scout hunter role from my warden.
I've been playing since closed beta and I only have 40 mil SP. Mostly because I don't have the time nor energy to cap out every week nor do I think CCP deserves my money for boosters after fanfest. Its crazy to hear there are people with 80+ million SP.
PS: Sorry for the rant, I just don't believe in CCP anymore after the things they continue to do.....aka releasing BPOs again. Also agree with what Mollerz said ^ above.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:49:00 -
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Command feedback thread live.
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:49:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:
I don't care about KD. I care about being ISK positive and thus not perpetually broke.
:D
I'm seriously fukn serious
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:50:00 -
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Spademan wrote:
So let me run this by you.
Serpentis Scout.
Role: Cloak fitting reduction.
Bonus 1: Gallente dampening bonus.
Bonus 2: Minmatar Nova Knife bonus.
Less tHP than a Minmatar Scout.
Something like this?
want.
I'm seriously fukn serious
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:03:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:I don't care about KD. I care about being ISK positive and thus not perpetually broke.
/buys BPOs for upcoming event due to this motivation
I can break 6k WP in a match (well, okay, I did that once) but going ISK positive without running free/nearly free fits or in a squad with many needles (yes Appia, some of us like having them used on us, no you may not criticize my ****** habit ) seems virtually impossible for me.
Common matches
PC - Win match, place in top 5, lose ISK
Pubs - Burn clones like water (water burns right?  ) proto hunt in free fits, earn ISK and lutz 
FW - Run from AWOX, kill friendly cloaked scout on the road with my LAV  continuously drop uplinks while orbiting the map, flip coin to see if anything is earned (win/lose being what it is)
ProTip: Always have a flask within reach before matches, makes Dust more fun
EDIT: Secondary ProTip, do not tell the GC you are drinking prior to the PC match, especially if you are a ringer 
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:06:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:mollerz wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:Cass Caul wrote: And Jace learns the lesson that a scanned Scout is a dead Scout I see so many scouts talk about their triple kincat fits. I don't know how the **** they get away with it, but I never do. Maxed Core skills and sacrifices. Core 5. Electronics 5. Engineering 5. Profile Dampening 5. The sacrifice seems to be dampening in favor of speed... which is getting me nowhere fast. (That's a pun, see ) It does change the game and the tactics accordingly. Things may have changed a bit since I only played this style a few patches back, but knives were harder so I imagine it's easier now (unless the new bug I'm hearing about rears its head). You can't hunt scouts. That isn't what's for dinner when you are speedy unless you have to
I haven't tried hunting scouts - I can't see them.
I need numbers now - 2x cPE on a Minja, what could he see?
In other words, is it worth skilling PE above 3 before I have my Gal scout to 3 or 4?
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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Spademan
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:07:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Pubs - Burn clones like water (water burns right? )
As far as I'm concerned it should.
I'm no expert, but how does smashing two highly flammable gasses together make an inflammable liquid?
Water is ******* trippy man.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:09:00 -
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Sounds about right.
CPM 1
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior
\\= Prototype Sniper Rifles =// Unlocked
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Right-wing Extremist
Nos Nothi
1483
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:10:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Shotty to make ISK, knives for fun
Am I reading that correctly?
Jaceon Pale-eye.
And you shall know me by the sound of Charge SR bullets whizzing by your head as I miss repeatedly.
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:12:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Right-wing Extremist wrote:I don't care about KD. I care about being ISK positive and thus not perpetually broke. /buys BPOs for upcoming event due to this motivation
Why would you buy BPOs?
I'm seriously fukn serious
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.10.02 20:16:00 -
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Right-wing Extremist wrote:
I haven't tried hunting scouts - I can't see them.
I need numbers now - 2x cPE on a Minja, what could he see?
In other words, is it worth skilling PE above 3 before I have my Gal scout to 3 or 4?
I meant if you see a scout: avoid unless you can't. I would always get sucked into going after them, and I suck at scout hunting.
were I you, I'd go 3 Gal just for fun (but the G/1 suit kind of sucks FYI) and then max out PE. PE should be 5 anyways as it's a core skill. Range should be too. IT will help you hunt fattys and their bros. I know tho.. More grind :/
I'm seriously fukn serious
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