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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Damn you, Igginbotham. You've done forced my hand :-)
A 'bit premature, but here's what I'm thinking at the moment ...

Amarr Scout
* Role: High Intensity / Low Range Recon
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Precision Enhancers
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Biotics
* Encourages: Counter-infiltration; mobile reconnaissance
* Discourages: Running straight HP (or) high precision atop straight brick

Caldari Scout
* Role: Low Intensity / High Range Recon
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Shield Rechargers / Energizers
* Encourages: Opportunistic ranged combat; ranged recon
* Discourages: Running straight HP

Gallente Scout
* Role: Infiltration
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Profile Dampeners
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders
* Encourages: Operating and reporting from behind enemy lines
* Discourages: Running straight HP

Minmatar Scout
* Role: Assassination / Sabotage
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Codebreakers, Cloak (i.e. active dampening bonus)
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Nova Knives
* Encourages: High-risk, high-reward hit-and-run tactics
* Discourages: Being not good

Also on the to-do list (and also subject to change) ...

Secondary Balance Considerations
* Relocation of Codebreakers from Low to High
* Reduction to backpedal speed for all infantry
* Correction to Combat Rifle's lopsided damage profile
* Improvements to Sniper Rifle
* Improvements to Breach Shotgun; change Shotgun Proficiency back to RoF
* Improvements to Swarm Launcher (or) redesignation as sidearm
* Improvements to Sidearms (bring all into balance with SMG)

Additional Balance Contingencies
* If proven necessary in Charlie, increase armor plate penalties for scout/light infantry
* If proven necessary in Charlie, fix scannerina (or) reduce / replace GalLogi scan bonuses
* If proven ineffective in Charlie, buff locus grenades and/or replace Sentinel resistance

Punch some holes!

:: braces for fits of rage from Appia and Void ::
:: braces for unintelligible British from Cavman ::
:: braces for unintelligible Irish from Spade ::
:: braces for something stupid or overreaching from Gav ::
:: welcomes +1 without comment from Monk ::
:: welcomes thoughts and feedback from all ::

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Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2880	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:06:00 - [19711] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spade Rachaidh m+¬ go h+ëirinn an bhliain seo chugainn At least if I am lucky Not gonna lie, that sentence stretches my knowledge of the language. C+¬n +íit? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3945	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:16:00 - [19712] - Quote What do you guys think? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2884	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:20:00 - [19713] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: What do you guys think? Anything that makes the lp store more interesting is good. And these are pretty unique. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
voidfaction Void of Faction 357	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:25:00 - [19714] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Damn you, Igginbotham. You've done forced my hand :-) A 'bit premature, but here's what I'm thinking at the moment ... Amarr Scout * Role: High Intensity / Low Range Recon * Major Efficacy Bonus: Precision Enhancers * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Biotics * Encourages: Mobile counter-infiltration and recon * Discourages: Running straight HP (or) high precision atop straight brick Caldari Scout * Role: Low Intensity / High Range Recon * Major Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Shield Rechargers / Energizers * Encourages: Opportunistic ranged combat and recon * Discourages: Running straight HP Gallente Scout * Role: Infiltration * Major Efficacy Bonus: Profile Dampeners * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders * Encourages: Operating and reporting from behind enemy lines * Discourages: Running straight HP Minmatar Scout * Role: Assassination / Sabotage * Major Efficacy Bonus: Codebreakers, Cloak (i.e. active dampening bonus) * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Nova Knives * Encourages: High-risk / high-reward hit-and-run tactics * Discourages: Being not good Also on the to-do list (and also subject to change) ... Secondary Balance Considerations * Relocation of Codebreakers from Low to High * Reduction to backpedal speed for all infantry * Correction to Combat Rifle's lopsided damage profile * Improvements to Sniper Rifle * Improvements to Breach Shotgun; change Shotgun Proficiency back to RoF * Improvements to Swarm Launcher (or) redesignation as sidearm * Improvements to Sidearms (bring all into balance with SMG) Additional Balance Contingencies * If proven necessary in Charlie, increase armor plate penalties for scout/light infantry * If proven necessary in Charlie, fix scannerina (or) reduce / replace GalLogi scan bonuses * If proven ineffective in Charlie, buff locus grenades and/or replace Sentinel resistance Punch some holes! :: braces for fits of rage from Appia and Void :: :: braces for unintelligible British from Cavman :: :: braces for unintelligible Irish from Spade :: :: braces for something stupid or overreaching from Gav :: :: welcomes +1 without comment from Monk :: :: welcomes thoughts and feedback from all :: No fit of rage today. Looks good to me. or is it I just got my meds doubled today? I said I would be nice on min changes if codebreakers were not moved to high slot. So I am good with everything here. Would even agree to. NK efficacy not required - must equip NK to get NK bonus, lol efficacy to codebreakers only if they are moved to high slot. min active dampening only while codebreakers in low slots. codebreakers in high slot than no go on active dampening or slight weaker version.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16777	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:29:00 - [19715] - Quote I haven't actually looked at the new scanning numbers (I haven't been bothered with DUST lately). Which can get a lower precision - Amarr scout, or Calscout? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
voidfaction Void of Faction 357	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:36:00 - [19716] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I haven't actually looked at the new scanning numbers (I haven't been bothered with DUST lately). Which can get a lower precision - Amarr scout, or Calscout? after charlie amarr 18db 2x cPrecision cal 20db 4x cPrecision gal 21db 2x cPrecision min 21db 3x cPrecision
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16779	Posted - 2014.08.12 18:43:00 - [19717] - Quote voidfaction wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I haven't actually looked at the new scanning numbers (I haven't been bothered with DUST lately). Which can get a lower precision - Amarr scout, or Calscout? after charlie amarr 18db 2x cPrecision cal 20db 4x cPrecision gal 21db 2x cPrecision min 21db 3x cPrecision Thanks. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 798	Posted - 2014.08.12 19:46:00 - [19718] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: wow that is better/worse than pre alpha Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile buff for min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%. I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too. if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout. I'm having a hard time following your thought process. A 'bit of background ... EWAR is being divided three ways, and three EWAR Scouts are soon to have alot more in common. The lines which separate current roles are being altered; we need to redefine those lines or create new ones. If the GalScout's role is to be sneaky, then he should be measurably more sneaky than the others. To me, "measurably more" means getting the job done with one less module. To beat scans, I presently run two damps and a cloak on my GalScout. Come Charlie, I'll be able to accomplish the same with my CalScout. Rhetorical: How does this translate in terms of the GalScout's role? How does this translate in terms of the CalScout's role? As Appia has pointed out, Assaults will be the end-all-be-all Slayer Units. As such, we may be able to restore a meaningful cloak dampening bonus without upsetting balance. This would help the GalScout (not hinder it). But before we entertain the concept, we should agree on the GalScout's target role ... Are we all in agreement that the GalScout should remain the preeminent sneaker? Weeelllll no. Yes. Welll...no. Bollocks! Get rid of this bloody EWAR **. Scout vs scout should be blind on blind. Too damn hard to balance as others have said. BUT. To answer the question. Yes. Because that was the original plan, and some of us dumped SP into it for that reason. I've got 5m SP locked up in proto scout suits that I no longer give a crap about running. Meh. Bollocks again :-p Spademan wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Spademan wrote:** I see me slapping kincats onto a Minmatar Sentinel and point blanking with a forge gun. GOML bro, I do that without sprint-charge. Madame, you insult my honour. I challenge you to a bout of fisticuffs! GOML - Get off my land? You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Cass Caul 512	Posted - 2014.08.12 19:47:00 - [19719] - Quote Iggy, I could not do with another slot reduction. I want my 6 slots. I was very, very angry when Uprising 1.0 happened and all of a sudden my slot count dropped by 1 (2 given that the vk.0 had 2 EQ slots) Adipem Nothi wrote: Damn you, Igginbotham. You've done forced my hand :-) A 'bit premature, but here's what I'm thinking at the moment ... Amarr Scout * Role: High Intensity / Low Range Recon * Major Efficacy Bonus: Precision Enhancers * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Biotics * Encourages: Counter-infiltration; mobile reconnaissance * Discourages: Running straight HP (or) high precision atop straight brick Caldari Scout * Role: Low Intensity / High Range Recon * Major Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Shield Rechargers / Energizers * Encourages: Opportunistic ranged combat; ranged recon * Discourages: Running straight HP Gallente Scout * Role: Infiltration * Major Efficacy Bonus: Profile Dampeners * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders * Encourages: Operating and reporting from behind enemy lines * Discourages: Running straight HP Minmatar Scout * Role: Assassination / Sabotage * Major Efficacy Bonus: Codebreakers, Cloak (i.e. active dampening bonus) * Minor Efficacy Bonus: Nova Knives * Encourages: High-risk, high-reward hit-and-run tactics * Discourages: Being not good Also on the to-do list (and also subject to change) ... Secondary Balance Considerations * Relocation of Codebreakers from Low to High * Reduction to backpedal speed for all infantry * Correction to Combat Rifle's lopsided damage profile * Improvements to Sniper Rifle * Improvements to Breach Shotgun; change Shotgun Proficiency back to RoF * Improvements to Swarm Launcher (or) redesignation as sidearm * Improvements to Sidearms (bring all into balance with SMG) Additional Balance Contingencies * If proven necessary in Charlie, increase armor plate penalties for scout/light infantry * If proven necessary in Charlie, fix scannerina (or) reduce / replace GalLogi scan bonuses * If proven ineffective in Charlie, buff locus grenades and/or replace Sentinel resistance Punch some holes! :: braces for fits of rage from Appia and Void :: :: braces for unintelligible British from Cavman :: :: braces for unintelligible Irish from Spade :: :: braces for something stupid or overreaching from Gav :: :: welcomes +1 without comment from Monk :: :: welcomes thoughts and feedback from all :: First, you're giving Minmatar Scouts 3 bonuses. Please, justify why they should have a third bonus while keeping the others at 2. CCP's stance on why Projectiles have 95%/110% is the most aggravating thing. It's hubris. they're too prideful to admit they're wrong and won't fix a majorly imbalanced aspect of the game. Of course the Combat Rifles is the most used, of course people are calling it OP. It's the only one that can take out shields without a significant loss of DPS and still tear through armor. If Cross is watching, Symbioticforks and I should be sending in a very comprehensive write up on the Sniper Rifle soon. As much as I'm known now for being abrasive and a Scout, these were both only wrought through the pain of losing my role as one of the most desirable PC snipers. back in the day I used to charge 5mil ISK to ring. Corps paid that price because having me perform the role of sniper was worth it. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 798	Posted - 2014.08.12 19:47:00 - [19720] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: bollocks! Well spoken that man noob cavman wrote: I be a real man not a southern london jack off Get The **** Out, North of the River boy :-p You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz

IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1556	Posted - 2014.08.12 19:55:00 - [19721] - Quote Shotty I don't think changing things slightly will do much for scouts. Your stated proposal is nearly the same as current except for minja getting another bonus to make it not terrible. Look at the contingencies required to attain balance in your proposal. Honestly ccp won't touch scout again IMO. My stated proposal is in hopes it gets into legion. The problem is that they balanced and nerf hammered scouts before buffing assaults. It really should have been the other way around. Welcome back to hard mode where a single amarr scout will force you to run all damps so you can avoid 1000hp assaults. Why run a heavy when u can be one with equipment and a fine rifle. Trololol My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2884	Posted - 2014.08.12 19:56:00 - [19722] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Spademan wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Spademan wrote: I see me slapping kincats onto a Minmatar Sentinel and point blanking with a forge gun. GOML bro, I do that without sprint-charge. Madame, you insult my honour. I challenge you to a bout of fisticuffs! GOML - Get off my land? Get on my level. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Llast 326 An Arkhos 4143	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:02:00 - [19723] - Quote Spademan wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Spademan wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Spademan wrote: I see me slapping kincats onto a Minmatar Sentinel and point blanking with a forge gun. GOML bro, I do that without sprint-charge. Madame, you insult my honour. I challenge you to a bout of fisticuffs! GOML - Get off my land? Get on my level. I would have also accepted GET OFF MY LAWN damned teaanagers * Throws empty whisky bottle KRRROOOOOOM
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1672	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:04:00 - [19724] - Quote I prefer get on my lap.... but hey whatever makes you happy. I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Cass Caul 512	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:05:00 - [19725] - Quote noob cavman wrote: I prefer get on my lap.... but hey whatever makes you happy. hold on. let me bring out Cali. Ok, GOML ***** Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1672	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:07:00 - [19726] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: noob cavman wrote: I prefer get on my lap.... but hey whatever makes you happy. hold on. let me bring out Cali. Ok, GOML ***** wait, infact im ok with this. \o/ I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2333	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:09:00 - [19727] - Quote Pleaze newbz.... Go On Monk, Like. Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
LeGoose SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 491	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:12:00 - [19728] - Quote Per logibro hotfix charlie drops tomorrow! Click it! I dare you...
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1677	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:14:00 - [19729] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Pleaze newbz.... Go On Monk, Like. Im sorry monk. I can only be what I am which is a dirty bastard with a tea cup in one hand and a big smile on my face I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 654	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:21:00 - [19730] - Quote ...App's peg has a name. That's awesome. After playing the game a bit to get to know it, and re-reading Ark's and Ghost's threads... I'm not gonna try and put all of that information here in the shop. So I made a thread. Forum mods gotta be gettin' tired of this by now :p Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2886	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:27:00 - [19731] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: ...App's peg has a name. That's awesome. After playing the game a bit to get to know it, and re-reading Ark's and Ghost's threads... I'm not gonna try and put all of that information here in the shop. So I made a thread. Forum mods gotta be gettin' tired of this by now :p Oh nice, Padhraic lives once more! Think I might actually hold off on doing one myself. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3224	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:37:00 - [19732] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: mollerz wrote: Sorry Iggy. I'm on my phone with one bar of E so it's hard even typing this out much less the sheer size of the hole your proposal needs to be buried in typed out. Horrible ideas. o7 I just want to fill the holes. This is a rough proposal, so I expect plenty of problems. I'm tired of the same argument and running in circles. So hit me when u get some fuel in your internet. ^I think scouts should have a reason to fit cloak. It needs a use. Most scouts don't use cloak cause it's useless. Would the 10% across the board dampening to cloaks be enough? I know its probably not possible, but it would be nice if there were a LS Mod that could increase cloak duration. This is how a minja feels
Cass Caul 515	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:37:00 - [19733] - Quote Spade is weird. I've not seen that noun spelled with an 'h' before. At Jace. Good time, good times. I've got some friends in California that I need to go visit. Planing a trip that later got canceled, they said, "You need some Cali in you." So I took a sharpie, wrote "Cali" on it and sent a picture message saying, "You need some Cali in you too." Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3968	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:40:00 - [19734] - Quote Get Off My Lawn > Get On My Level ... I'd go with the former. @ Iggy Efficacy bonuses will keep Scouts honest. Want Scoutly perks? Then run Scoutly modules. Rattati seemed interested in revisiting efficacy bonuses in Delta; I believe these to be our best bet at redefining roles and setting one Scout apart from the next. In my opinion, our three EWAR suits will now have too much in common. We can fix this. @ Appia Like I said, its a 'bit premature. Charlie may prove me wrong, but I expect that the Minmatar Scout will need three perks to be brought up-to-par with the rest of us. The benefits of one perk may outweigh the benefits of another; we're not comparing apples to apples; the numbers don't have to match to be balanced. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2888	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:43:00 - [19735] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Spade is weird. I've not seen that noun spelled with an 'h' before. There is a stupid amount of ways to spell that name. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3227	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:43:00 - [19736] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: A 'bit premature... :: braces for joke about being premature from One Eyed King :: Also, I don't get the problems with Minamatar in Charlie. I like where it is for the most part. I can technically actively dampen, but it is not a race specific bonus, and I can dampen enough to be effective. With NKs getting a fix, I can maybe stand more of a chance against SG scouts I get the drop on who move randomly. I don't want it to be too easy. I want to see how things play out before I request any more adjustments. This is how a minja feels
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3968	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:46:00 - [19737] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: I don't want it to be too easy. I want to see how things play out before I request any more adjustments. I do not expect Charlie to be easy, nor would I ask for Delta to be. Thinking perma-scan and insta-gib may once again be keywords around here. I'd like keep it that way. Keeps of the mouthbreathers outside. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1558	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:48:00 - [19738] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: mollerz wrote: Sorry Iggy. I'm on my phone with one bar of E so it's hard even typing this out much less the sheer size of the hole your proposal needs to be buried in typed out. Horrible ideas. o7 I just want to fill the holes. This is a rough proposal, so I expect plenty of problems. I'm tired of the same argument and running in circles. So hit me when u get some fuel in your internet. ^I think scouts should have a reason to fit cloak. It needs a use. Most scouts don't use cloak cause it's useless. Would the 10% across the board dampening to cloaks be enough? I know its probably not possible, but it would be nice if there were a LS Mod that could increase cloak duration. One eye did you catch my previous post? Cloak would reduce profile to 14dB across the board. So need to fit damps. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2337	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:50:00 - [19739] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I don't want it to be too easy. I want to see how things play out before I request any more adjustments. I do not expect Charlie to be easy, nor would I ask for Delta to be. Thinking perma-scan and insta-gib may once again be keywords around here. I'd like keep it that way, as it'll keep of the mouthbreathers outside. Except Gav. Again ... Iggy forced my hand. I expect my to-do list to change ... starting tomorrow :-) Perma-scan, insta-gib and massive HP assaults should provide a suitable filter to weed out FOTM scout players. One can hope, anyway.... Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1099	Posted - 2014.08.12 20:53:00 - [19740] - Quote I think this pretty much summarises Long War. http://m.imgur.com/r/xcom/PYjJwHT We'll bang, OK?



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