I think this pretty much summarises Long War.

http://m.imgur.com/r/xcom/PYjJwHT

1. Cloak would reduce profile to 14dB across the board. So need to fit damps.

2. ... the lotion on its skin!

One eye did you catch my previous post? Cloak would reduce profile to 14dB across the board. So need to fit damps.

I force shotty to do things he doesn't like..........Put the lotion on its skin!

Shotty scoutly thing includes cloak no? Forcing scouts to fit cloak to attain its bonuses is the best wave of opportunity IMO.
Five slots on prototype and forcing cloak means less PG and CPU for tank mods.

Note to Self:
Remind Cross to adopt new nomenclature prior to Hotfix Delta.

I refuse!

Hey Cross, ol' buddy. Any chance of bringing up the difference between the Cloak and Active Scanner? Like, why do they work in fundamentally different ways? Ie: One's percent based and the other is a hard number. It bugs me.

That is an interesting point, care to throw a couple specific cases at me to highlight this;
Because
A) I believe CCP folks will process it more clearly that way
and
B) I'm too lazybusy to get it done myself at this very moment

but yea, totally will bring that question up (or is that "bring that Q up" since I'm practicing my nomenclature for the coming hotfix )

Well, the Active scanner has always scanned at set dB levels. 46 at standard, 36 at Adv and 28 at Pro, with 15 being the focused (if I'm wrong please say so)
But then the cloak came out and it affected profile by a percent. was 25% but then changed to 10 at pro and I cant remember the others. Now, I reckon this whole eWar thing would be much easier and sensible if they both did their things the same way.
So either A: The Cloaks bring the profiles down to a set level. (perhaps just below the scanner counterparts) This could also be accompanied by things such as a Focused Cloak, lower profile, doesn't last as long. Rejigging of cloak cooldown and duration would likely be necessary.
Or b: The active scanner could bring precision down by a percentage, like the cloak. This may have the effect of making Meds wanting to use precision mods from time to time.

The one think I think we need to remember on this is that in that situation you could have proportionately huge reductions to profile just by using the cloak.

Not an issue for scouts since their profile is already low, but could really be effective for logi's or other frames that can fit the cloak. Personally, I like seeing those invisible scrubs with the red chevron over their heads.

Chop off the duration then. Make them shorter lived.
Besides, they can already get huge reductions to precision.
And this is with keeping the fairly hefty Cpu/Pg

Chop off the duration then. Make them shorter lived.
Besides, they can already get huge reductions to precision.
And this is with keeping the fairly hefty Cpu/Pg

Following the "whats" but not quite grasping the "whys".

In what ways would these changes improve gameplay, balance or hunter/hunted interplay?

NOOOOOOO!!!!

The duration was nerfed enough!

As an infiltrating hacker, I often have to make long treks. It is hard enough when they have us on the ropes and I have to make a long flanking trips with the duration (granted I only use ADV because of fitting and SP reasons), but if they were cut, I would be forced into proto, and more fittings sacrifice just to do the same job.

Remember, not all cloak users are strictly slaying.

It feels like you guys are talking about a completely different item than what I'm thinking of when someone says "Ishukone Cloak Field"

I'm pretty sure you guys have completely disregarded how absolutely terrible the actual cloaking effect is. I can see a cloak user from far beyond the range of my Fine Rifles. I can see them out as far as any character will render with my Sniper Rifle. That blue flare is so obvious, it's why the only beneficial thing about the cloak is using it as an active dampener.

Master of Mathematics, Empress of Equations, Lady of Logarithms, Baroness of Binary, Acolyte of Algebra. I humbly request to know what, in your opinion, would make the cloak useful and if either of the options I presented would be deemed acceptable.

Damn you, Igginbotham. You've done forced my hand :-)
A 'bit premature, but here's what I'm thinking at the moment ...

Amarr Scout
* Role: High Intensity / Low Range Recon
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Precision Enhancers
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Biotics
* Encourages: Counter-infiltration; mobile reconnaissance
* Discourages: Running straight HP (or) high precision atop straight brick

Caldari Scout
* Role: Low Intensity / High Range Recon
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Shield Rechargers / Energizers
* Encourages: Opportunistic ranged combat; ranged recon
* Discourages: Running straight HP

Gallente Scout
* Role: Infiltration
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Profile Dampeners
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Range Extenders
* Encourages: Operating and reporting from behind enemy lines
* Discourages: Running straight HP

Minmatar Scout
* Role: Assassination / Sabotage
* Major Efficacy Bonus: Codebreakers, Cloak (i.e. active dampening bonus)
* Minor Efficacy Bonus: Nova Knives
* Encourages: High-risk, high-reward hit-and-run tactics
* Discourages: Being not good

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Also on the to-do list (and also subject to change) ...

Secondary Balance Considerations
* Relocation of Codebreakers from Low to High
* Reduction to backpedal speed for all infantry
* Correction to Combat Rifle's lopsided damage profile
* Improvements to Sniper Rifle
* Improvements to Breach Shotgun; change Shotgun Proficiency back to RoF
* Improvements to Swarm Launcher (or) redesignation as sidearm
* Improvements to Sidearms (bring all into balance with SMG)

Additional Balance Contingencies
* If proven necessary in Charlie, increase armor plate penalties for scout/light infantry
* If proven necessary in Charlie, fix scannerina (or) reduce / replace GalLogi scan bonuses
* If proven ineffective in Charlie, buff locus grenades and/or replace Sentinel resistance

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Punch some holes!

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By the way One Eye, I put you into an Xcom game as Benjamin "Cyclops" Kingsley. You ended up a Sniper and made it to Sergeant. Had Headshot, Squadsight and Sentinel. Became a top killer, died in the last mission before I failed the game. Your squadmates died 3 turns in but you survived another 5 and took down 7 of the bastards before they snuffed you.

Anybody wanna critique my Minja fit? http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1229/6491

Anybody wanna critique my Minja fit? http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1229/6491

Anybody wanna critique my Minja fit? http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/1229/6491

Not even kidding here
I run that exact fit
It works well

That dampening is pointless. You're just wasting a slot. It's either 2 or it's 0 (starting tomorrow, today its 3 or 0)