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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Cass Caul wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts?

I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts.

We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance...

The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit.

What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP?

Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace
So what if a scout has 700 total HP.
My Assault is going to have twice that.

An excellent point. Let's play this out ...

CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak
CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak
GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp
GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak
AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak

Objectives:
* Reinforces GA Scout role as infiltrator
* Frees up a low slot for MN and CA
* Prevents AM Scout from doing too much at once

Thoughts?

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Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2808	Posted - 2014.08.10 23:58:00 - [19561] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: And sorry Spade, I hate the cloak. The cloak's use in EWAR post Alpha was a concession I made. I long for the days where you only needed a single dampener to be TacNet invisible. Most these were because the cloak field needed to be adjusted, but again, democracy ran out on cloak changes and it's just ***** worthless now unless it's the Ishukone. And the only reason I use the Ishukone is for the 10% dampening. I do not now nor have I ever given 2 * about the invisibility aspect- outside pointing out to people that it's very easy to see and they are just terrible so they should probably stop playing. Of course, I'd forgotten you'd changed your stance on the cloak when the dampening bonus was dropped down t 10% at proto. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community**
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 601	Posted - 2014.08.11 00:05:00 - [19562] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: lol, so this is funny and isn't going to make it into my story but;: Playing Skyrim I was walking around and I went into a tavern to sleep. There was an Orc there, no name, just titled Orc. I decided to [persuade] him because I thought it would result in a brawl. Nope. he just starts attacking. So I throw up my flame cloak, shield in 1 hand, swap to fast healing in the other and just wait it out. All I could think of when it happened was, "Jace, this is why people think Orcs are dumb." lol I will admit to feeling somewhat put out when I went to the one Orc stronghold and the chief is boasting and offers me a fair one. After I whooped his behind, I feel like I should've been able to add Chief of Stronghold X to Pale-eye's sign-off. lol Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2811	Posted - 2014.08.11 00:09:00 - [19563] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Spademan wrote: Cass Caul wrote: noob cavman wrote: ( people who stand outside women's clinic's im looking at you.) Aww. But that's the best place to pick up chicks. "hey baby, I know a way you;ll never have to go through that experience again " Funny, I was playing cards against humanity last night and played "Picking up girls at the abortion clinic" when the card "What's the best way to keep a relationship?" came up. wat? It's a truly magical game. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Cass Caul 456	Posted - 2014.08.11 00:11:00 - [19564] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Cass Caul wrote: lol, so this is funny and isn't going to make it into my story but;: Playing Skyrim I was walking around and I went into a tavern to sleep. There was an Orc there, no name, just titled Orc. I decided to [persuade] him because I thought it would result in a brawl. Nope. he just starts attacking. So I throw up my flame cloak, shield in 1 hand, swap to fast healing in the other and just wait it out. All I could think of when it happened was, "Jace, this is why people think Orcs are dumb." lol I will admit to feeling somewhat put out when I went to the one Orc stronghold and the chief is boasting and offers me a fair one. After I whooped his behind, I feel like I should've been able to add Chief of Stronghold X to Pale-eye's sign-off. lol I kinda just stormed in the stronghold in the North East corner of the map, because that was the one with the Ebony mine. It was totally an accident. I swear. I didn't mean to kill the first one! . . . But they said "kittens it" and took out the rest. mmm, like 200/300 carrying capacity was full from that trip into the mines Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 601	Posted - 2014.08.11 00:16:00 - [19565] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Ebony mine Keyword being 'mine'. I'm on my way there... hopefully there's enough to make a full set of Daedric... (grinding blacksmithing is a ***** lol) Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2811	Posted - 2014.08.11 00:24:00 - [19566] - Quote Hey guys, what would you say to a Far Cry 2 journal? I've got a save file I've been meaning to get back to. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3847	Posted - 2014.08.11 01:09:00 - [19567] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Ebony mine Keyword being 'mine'. I'm on my way there... hopefully there's enough to make a full set of Daedric... (grinding blacksmithing is a ***** lol) How to speed grind blacksmith ... * Find a Dwarven ruin (there are bunches) * Fill pockets with shiny sh!t on the ground * Return home and empty pockets into kiln * Forge and improve Dwarven armor (or bows) Spademan wrote: Hey guys, what would you say to a Far Cry 2 journal? I've got a save file I've been meaning to get back to. I don't know about this one. I've played about halfway through Far Cry 2 and 3. Each "new thing" is really fun at first, but gameplay tends to become redundant after awhile. Its weird how linear these titles are for being "open world" games. There are lots of things to love about Far Cry, but it seems to me that one player's experience would be nearly identical to every other player's experience. That said ... if you wrote a journal, I'd read it :-) Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1082	Posted - 2014.08.11 02:07:00 - [19568] - Quote The Xcom long war mod is great, but it is seriously too ******* long. Spent an entire weekend playing and don't even have lasers yet. WTF. I know there's some options to shorten it but I've heard its not balanced well. We'll bang, OK?
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1995	Posted - 2014.08.11 04:35:00 - [19569] - Quote Quick poll- Cloaking being 10% dampening at all tiers yes or no? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 610	Posted - 2014.08.11 05:42:00 - [19570] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Quick poll- Cloaking being 10% dampening at all tiers yes or no? 5/10/15 imo. Or 5/7.5/10 The invisibility is lol (shoot scout with yes) so the lesser tiers of cloak need to have at least ~some~ utility. Also, make cloaks scout-only. ** cloak-shotgun Logi and Commando suits. Seriously, them straight to Japan. EDIT for clarity: Which is to say, ** them in the most disgusting, demeaning and humiliating ways possible. Like Japanese adult materials. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(

Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2319	Posted - 2014.08.11 05:59:00 - [19571] - Quote ^ Also a vote for some dampening utility, scaled by tier. Not much for numbers when I'm not at work.... I'll leave that to the professionals. Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1083	Posted - 2014.08.11 06:45:00 - [19572] - Quote I am still concerned by Amarr scouts forcing you to go proto if you want to go unseen, has anybody looked at the tiers to see what buids are possible? We'll bang, OK?
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16681	Posted - 2014.08.11 08:00:00 - [19573] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Will update my thread later, but... The following people are now KIA: Spademan GJR IWS Ghost Kaisar (It wasn't deliberate, honest!) How did I die? ~~I organised an execution where everyone threw grenades at you.~~ I decided to attack a landed alien battleship. It did not end well. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1083	Posted - 2014.08.11 09:38:00 - [19574] - Quote With all these video game diaries maybe I should fire up Football Manager, or tell how I led Boston United to win Blue Sq Premiere. We'll bang, OK?
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1546	Posted - 2014.08.11 14:48:00 - [19575] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Quick poll- Cloaking being 10% dampening at all tiers yes or no? 5/10/15 imo. Or 5/7.5/10 The invisibility is lol (shoot scout with yes) so the lesser tiers of cloak need to have at least ~some~ utility. Also, make cloaks scout-only. ** cloak-shotgun Logi and Commando suits. Seriously, them straight to Japan. EDIT for clarity: Which is to say, ** them in the most disgusting, demeaning and humiliating ways possible. Like Japanese adult materials. I see the reasoning behind wanting all cloaks to have utility. But currently only prototype provides a benefit. I think having unified damp across tiers is important so that you can be radar invisible without fitting a proto cloak. I refuse to fit proto cloak. Not gonna happen. I won't waste throwing sp into it. 10% is the only useful number unfortunately. Unless we go back to giving it 25% at proto. But then adv would be worthless. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 1546	Posted - 2014.08.11 14:55:00 - [19576] - Quote Bayeth Mal wrote: I am still concerned by Amarr scouts forcing you to go proto if you want to go unseen, has anybody looked at the tiers to see what buids are possible? Amarr scout will be new cal scout. Its only changing the ability for all scouts to maintain tacnet invisibility I'm pretty sure haerrethmatic made a new table on thebasement bullition board. My Youtube Biomassed Podcast
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3875	Posted - 2014.08.11 16:46:00 - [19577] - Quote Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Cass Caul 466	Posted - 2014.08.11 16:57:00 - [19578] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace So what if a scout has 700 total HP. My Assault is going to have twice that. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3878	Posted - 2014.08.11 17:49:00 - [19579] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace So what if a scout has 700 total HP. My Assault is going to have twice that. An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Objectives: * Reinforces GA Scout role as infiltrator * Frees up a low slot for MN and CA * Prevents AM Scout from doing too much at once Thoughts? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Cass Caul 468	Posted - 2014.08.11 17:54:00 - [19580] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + std cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Thoughts? You know what would go great with that? KinCats being changed from 25CPU,14PG to 25CPU,11PG and from 12% to 15% Or and Scout Sprint Speed modifier changed from x1.4 to x1.5 ^Minor yet significant changes! But that exists in a far off land when Scouts can use speed as a form of defense. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3878	Posted - 2014.08.11 17:58:00 - [19581] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + std cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Thoughts? You know what would go great with that? KinCats being changed from 25CPU,14PG to 25CPU,11PG and from 12% to 15% Or and Scout Sprint Speed modifier changed from x1.4 to x1.5 ^Minor yet significant changes! But that exists in a far off land when Scouts can use speed as a form of defense. Are you shooting for productive or snarky here? Both? Probably both. The guys asked about adjusting cloak damp bonuses. What do you think? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Cass Caul 470	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:09:00 - [19582] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Probably both. I don't like the Caldari Scout, as is, for the same reason I hated the Min Scout from 1.0-1.7. A decent Scout suit *needs* 3 low slots. Going back to the dampening levels of 1.8-Gêà but modifying it to 1.8-A's tiered dampening effects would be my preferred place. Like, the Gallente should be 1 cmp damp + ADV cloak or 2 cmp damps to beat focused. aside from 15 seconds not being long enough to be useful- how utterly worthless that is no matter how you change it; low duration, low regen just doesn't work- the STD shouldn't help Gal, the preeminent dampener, get under focused. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2002	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:10:00 - [19583] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace So what if a scout has 700 total HP. My Assault is going to have twice that. An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Objectives: * Reinforces GA Scout role as infiltrator * Frees up a low slot for MN and CA * Prevents AM Scout from doing too much at once Thoughts? I like it! +1 "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2830	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:32:00 - [19584] - Quote We still lumping the cloak into the passive scan debate? Sigh I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 617	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:54:00 - [19585] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? Yes, we bloody-well can. Scan profile and precison is measured in decibels. This means that our suits' electronics are picking us up based not only on our electronic signature but the amount of noise our suits are making. Armor plates should carry a scan profile penalty. It should be done in such a way that if you're stacking up to logi (almost heavy!) level hit points on your 4/5 lowslot scout suit, then even a heavy will see your ass coming on tacnet. Cloak or no cloak. I'm talking about a dra-freaking-matic penalty here. One plate, every scout's gonna see you even if the rest of your lows are damps. More than one plate, might as well not damp at all (which these brick-tank scouts aren't doing anyway, so that won't change... only thing that will change is they won't be able to have brick tank AND stealth anymore). Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2680	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:01:00 - [19586] - Quote Interesting discussion. I'll keep popping back in to check on it but if/when a consensus is reached here send up a flare (or you know, post a specific summery or doc link) and I'll make sure the CPM has 'eyes on' for it. Cheers, Cross EDIT: If I seem not to be noticing, several of you know where to find me See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cass Caul 472	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:27:00 - [19587] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Interesting discussion. I'll keep popping back in to check on it but if/when a consensus is reached here send up a flare (or you know, post a specific summery or doc link) and I'll make sure the CPM has 'eyes on' for it. Cheers, Cross EDIT: If I seem not to be noticing, several of you know where to find me Flare Can you use your nice, new, shiny connections to ask: Why are the ADV weapons IA5 Tactical Scrambler Pistol and C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle not on the market? Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
voidfaction Void of Faction 352	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:27:00 - [19588] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace So what if a scout has 700 total HP. My Assault is going to have twice that. An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Objectives: * Reinforces GA Scout role as infiltrator * Frees up a low slot for MN and CA * Prevents AM Scout from doing too much at once Thoughts? wow that is better/worse than pre alpha Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile buff for min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%. I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too. if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 16722	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:37:00 - [19589] - Quote Spademan wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Will update my thread later, but... The following people are now KIA: Spademan GJR IWS Ghost Kaisar (It wasn't deliberate, honest!) No! Please! Say it ain't so! Did I at least die a hero? Taking out 10+ of the alien scum with me? You died in a heroic vanguard action allowing 2 squadmates to escape. Well, I say heroic. I really mean the squad walked out the Skyranger, got promptly annihilated and two people crawled back. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Enlist in XCOM
dzizur 6 dayz 77	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:45:00 - [19590] - Quote Right-wing Extremist wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? Yes, we bloody-well can. Scan profile and precison is measured in decibels. This means that our suits' electronics are picking us up based not only on our electronic signature but the amount of noise our suits are making. Armor plates should carry a scan profile penalty. It should be done in such a way that if you're stacking up to logi (almost heavy!) level hit points on your 4/5 lowslot scout suit, then even a heavy will see your ass coming on tacnet. Cloak or no cloak. I'm talking about a dra-freaking-matic penalty here. One plate, every scout's gonna see you even if the rest of your lows are damps. More than one plate, might as well not damp at all (which these brick-tank scouts aren't doing anyway, so that won't change... only thing that will change is they won't be able to have brick tank AND stealth anymore). While using dB doesn't have to mean its making audible noise, I think that's a great idea, although providing right values could be hard. The tricky part is having greater impact on scouts than mediums or heavies, as most values on modules is percentage based and scout profile is a smaller number BTW caveman, thanks for that game you mentioned! it's hilarious ;D



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