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Death Shadow117 wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

voidfaction wrote:

wow that is better/worse than pre alpha
Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile supposed or min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%.
I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too.
if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout.

I'm having a hard time following your thought process. Again.

A 'bit of background ...

EWAR is being divided three ways, and three EWAR Scouts are soon to have alot more in common. The lines which separate current roles are being altered; we need to redefine those lines or create new ones.

If the GalScout's role is to be sneaky, then he should be measurably more sneaky than the others. To me, "measurably more" means getting the job done with one less module. To beat scans, I presently run two damps and a cloak on my GalScout. Come Charlie, I'll be able to accomplish the same with my CalScout.

Rhetorical:
How does this translate in terms of the GalScout's role?
How does this translate in terms of the CalScout's role?

As Appia has pointed out, Assaults will be the end-all-be-all Slayer Units. As such, we may be able to restore a meaningful cloak dampening bonus without upsetting balance. This would help the GalScout (not hinder it). But before we entertain the concept, we should agree on the GalScout's target role ...

Are we all in agreement that the GalScout should remain the preeminent sneaker?

Yes the galscout should be sneaky but i feel like the minmatar should be too especially with the amarr scan bonuses. The minmatar is supposed go be an assasin and assasinating people is kind of hard when they see a red dot getting ready to knife them. Knives could be fixed without doing that though the thing that would work would be a sprint chargeable knife.

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IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 788	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:47:00 - [19591] - Quote Spademan wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: R sounds like ARRRR in my accent Car sounds like CARRRRR in my accent Therefore, it rhymes English accent - Confirmed You mean the English say r like a pirate too? I say "arrrr" like a pirate. Coz pirates, y'know :-p But seriously - is there any other way to say it? How can you say "arrrr" and not say it like a pirate. Still rhymes :D You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 218	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:55:00 - [19592] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Spademan wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: R sounds like ARRRR in my accent Car sounds like CARRRRR in my accent Therefore, it rhymes English accent - Confirmed You mean the English say r like a pirate too? I say "arrrr" like a pirate. Coz pirates, y'know :-p But seriously - is there any other way to say it? How can you say "arrrr" and not say it like a pirate. Still rhymes :D You can try it the Finnish way, roll really heavily on the R and it sounds more like growling than a yarr. [:=p] Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
Cass Caul 475	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:58:00 - [19593] - Quote Nrabatar Zorig wrote: You can try it the Finnish way, roll really heavily on the R and it sounds more like growling than a yarr. When I try to picture how this would sound, I just end up rolling the R with only 1 side of my tongue Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 788	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:00:00 - [19594] - Quote dzizur wrote: Right-wing Extremist wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? Yes, we bloody-well can. Scan profile and precison is measured in decibels. This means that our suits' electronics are picking us up based not only on our electronic signature but the amount of noise our suits are making. Armor plates should carry a scan profile penalty. It should be done in such a way that if you're stacking up to logi (almost heavy!) level hit points on your 4/5 lowslot scout suit, then even a heavy will see your ass coming on tacnet. Cloak or no cloak. I'm talking about a dra-freaking-matic penalty here. One plate, every scout's gonna see you even if the rest of your lows are damps. More than one plate, might as well not damp at all (which these brick-tank scouts aren't doing anyway, so that won't change... only thing that will change is they won't be able to have brick tank AND stealth anymore). While using dB doesn't have to mean its making audible noise, I think that's a great idea, although providing right values could be hard. The tricky part is having greater impact on scouts than mediums or heavies, as most values on modules is percentage based and scout profile is a smaller number BTW caveman, thanks for that game you mentioned! it's hilarious ;D dB is signal strength and doesn't have to be based on audible noise. Common understanding is it's electronic noise in DUST, but who cares really. Linking it to PG/CPU would make sense from a purist pov, but this is one of those things where physics in the real world ~~doesn't~~ shouldn't matter one iota. However I've long thought that DUST would do well to implement things based on what you take onto the field. From profile to speed, everything should have an effect on scans (signal strength) and inertia (speed, agility, blah). It's very much an EVE influence - you have mass and inertia and they affect how fast you can do stuff (TURN SPEEDS LOL (I'm looking at you 1.4)), but I just don't see it happening in DUST, especially now. I'm very much an advocate of things like this because not only do they just make sense, but they balance naturally. You put lots of armour on, holy ** that should show up more on a scan. Should increase your hitbox too if you're gonna apply realism, but again, maybe that's a realism that wouldn't work so good. Put no armour on - well guess what you got no HP but damn are you hard to detect (and hit!) Anyway...I suddenly blatted out a load of *. Haha. Enjoy (or not). You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.* ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 788	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:01:00 - [19595] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Nrabatar Zorig wrote: You can try it the Finnish way, roll really heavily on the R and it sounds more like growling than a yarr. When I try to picture how this would sound, I just end up rolling the R with only 1 side of my tongue I can't roll my rrrrrs...does Finland have pirates? ;-) You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2682	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:05:00 - [19596] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Interesting discussion. I'll keep popping back in to check on it but if/when a consensus is reached here send up a flare (or you know, post a specific summery or doc link) and I'll make sure the CPM has 'eyes on' for it. Cheers, Cross EDIT: If I seem not to be noticing, several of you know where to find me Flare Can you use your nice, new, shiny connections to ask: Why are the ADV weapons IA5 Tactical Scrambler Pistol and C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle not on the market? Sure thing See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 788	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:11:00 - [19597] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Interesting discussion. I'll keep popping back in to check on it but if/when a consensus is reached here send up a flare (or you know, post a specific summery or doc link) and I'll make sure the CPM has 'eyes on' for it. Cheers, Cross EDIT: If I seem not to be noticing, several of you know where to find me Flare Can you use your nice, new, shiny connections to ask: Why are the ADV weapons IA5 Tactical Scrambler Pistol and C27-N Specialist Sniper Rifle not on the market? Sure thing [whispermode] Stop it Appia - I've got 67 IA5s that I want to sell for a bazillion ISK once the P2P black market arrives! Unless you have a bazillion ISK? Send it my way and I'll send you the pistols. I'm good for it! [/whispermode] You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1657	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:15:00 - [19598] - Quote Rammsteins lead till lindermann r rolling ability may turn your bones to jelly. Amazing singer and band. Also is it wrong im missing 1.4 scouting? or just pre cloak bull in general I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Nrabatar Zorig Nos Nothi 219	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:16:00 - [19599] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Nrabatar Zorig wrote: You can try it the Finnish way, roll really heavily on the R and it sounds more like growling than a yarr. When I try to picture how this would sound, I just end up rolling the R with only 1 side of my tongue I can't roll my rrrrrs...does Finland have pirates? ;-) Not that I know of, the Finns weren't exactly vikings either so that is out of the question too. If you want a reference for how it sounds, try this. Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2834	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:17:00 - [19600] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You died in a heroic vanguard action allowing 2 squadmates to escape. I died so that others may live... single, manly tear runs down my face from my left eye I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community

noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1658	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:21:00 - [19601] - Quote Spademan wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: You died in a heroic vanguard action allowing 2 squadmates to escape. I died so that others may live... single, manly tear runs down my face from my left eye spademans tear envisioned by noobie I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2003	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:23:00 - [19602] - Quote What is this all about people dying...? Does someone want to explain for me? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3216	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:26:00 - [19603] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: What is this all about people dying...? Does someone want to explain for me? People are playing XCOM and placing the names of others as characters in the game. It does not always end well. This is how a minja feels
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2003	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:27:00 - [19604] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: What is this all about people dying...? Does someone want to explain for me? People are playing XCOM and placing the names of others as characters in the game. It does not always end well. What is XCOM...? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3887	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:28:00 - [19605] - Quote voidfaction wrote: wow that is better/worse than pre alpha Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile buff for min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%. I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too. if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout. I'm having a hard time following your thought process. Again. A 'bit of background ... EWAR is being divided three ways, and three EWAR Scouts are soon to have alot more in common. The lines which separate current roles are being altered; we need to redefine those lines or create new ones. If the GalScout's role is to be sneaky, then he should be measurably more sneaky than the others. To beat scans, I presently run two damps and a cloak on my GalScout. Come Charlie, I'll be able to accomplish the same with my CalScout. Rhetorical: How does this translate in terms of the GalScout's role? How does this translate in terms of the CalScout's role? As Appia has pointed out, Assaults will be the end-all-be-all Slayer Units. As such, we may be able to restore a meaningful cloak dampening bonus without upsetting balance. If we wish entertain the concept, we must keep the GalScout's role in mind. Are we all in agreement that the GalScout should remain the preeminent sneaker? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3218	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:29:00 - [19606] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cass Caul wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Can we can find a way to implement better dampening bonus for cloak without risking Tac-Net immune, up-armored slayer scouts? I do not believe that beating scans with 1 damp + cloak would create balance issues for Minmatar or Caldari Scouts. I've serious reservations, however, about Gallente and Amarr Scouts. We've witnessed prior to Alpha the problems created by single-dampened, high-HP GalScouts; I suspect the future Amarr Scout would be capable of even greater imbalance... The current CalScout's strength at recon is checked by his lack of survivability; he cannot effectively tank while enhancing precision. After Charlie, the Amarr Scout will be capable of doing both. Adding the additional ability beat scans with one damp would create a clearly best-in-class unit. What slayer wouldn't want to run a suit with the best possible passive scans, TacNet immunity and 700+ HP? Have you seen the Hotfix Charlie Assault Numbers? because it used to be rare to find a suit that could survive 2 hits from the shotsgun. Now it's going to be commonplace So what if a scout has 700 total HP. My Assault is going to have twice that. An excellent point. Let's play this out ... CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak Objectives: * Reinforces GA Scout role as infiltrator * Frees up a low slot for MN and CA * Prevents AM Scout from doing too much at once Thoughts? I would have to see how it played out. If NK changes etc make it a little easier to take them out CQC, that would be fine, otherwise it would still allow for some serious armor tanking. If the armor plate penalty for scouts is put in place, I don't see any problems. @ Void One of us misread something, because I took the conversation to be specifically regarding cloak dampening, with no changes to Gal dampening numbers. But if I missed a post that discussed it, please let me know, because though I am not a gal scout, I I wouldn't want them nerfed too hard either. This is how a minja feels
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2838	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:32:00 - [19607] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: What is this all about people dying...? Does someone want to explain for me? People are playing XCOM and placing the names of others as characters in the game. It does not always end well. What is XCOM...? Turn based strategy game. Basic premise is: Aliens have started to attack earth. In response, earth activates the XCOM Initiative. You play as the commander and send squads of up to 6 soldiers to combat threats across the globe. Each soldier has a name and can get promoted, so Arkena decided to put some of us into a game and see how it turns out. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2004	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:32:00 - [19608] - Quote @ Shotty: With the Assault suit buff, I feel like we could really pitch a 1-Damp only requirement to get under passives with a 2-Damp requirement to dodge the Gallogi Focused, as the real reason that was put into place was to discourage scouts from being used as Assaults AND Scouts, (despite it being rough and poorly thought out). If it only requires one Damp, it should be balanced, as it won't make us the super-slayers that assaults will be post charlie, no matter what we use that one extra slot for. My .02 ISK EDIT: Though this would work even better if armor plates had a 2x speed penalty on light frames "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3218	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:35:00 - [19609] - Quote @Gav XCOM is a turn based strategy RPG where aliens attack the planet, and you control soldiers that fight them. Its a great game if you are into turn based strategy games. This is how a minja feels
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3888	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:38:00 - [19610] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: @ Shotty: With the Assault suit buff, I feel like we could really pitch a 1-Damp only requirement to get under passives with a 2-Damp requirement to dodge the Gallogi Focused, as the real reason that was put into place was to discourage scouts from being used as Assaults AND Scouts, (despite it being rough and poorly thought out). If it only requires one Damp, it should be balanced, as it won't make us the super-slayers that assaults will be post charlie, no matter what we use that one extra slot for. My .02 ISK EDIT: Though this would work even better if armor plates had a 2x speed penalty on light frames Tell me again what you're thinking, but use this format: CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 cmp damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak * Keep in mind that the GalScout must be better at sneaking than the others. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2004	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:38:00 - [19611] - Quote Sounds fun Any of you guys enjoy Fire Emblem? Is it similar to that? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2004	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:40:00 - [19612] - Quote CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 cmp damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak ^^That right there actually looks about perfect Though we may wanna try to also sell a 2x speed penalty if possible, unless Assaults become as rampant as we may expect EDIT: That also includes passives, Im assuming? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2839	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:44:00 - [19613] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Tell me again what you're thinking, but use this format: CA, MN Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp + any cloak CA, MN Scout - Beats focused scans with 1 cmp damp + pro cloak GA Scout - Beats non-focused scans with 1 cmp damp GA Scout - Beats focused scans with one 1 cmp damp + any cloak AM Scout - Beats all scans with 2 cmp damp + any cloak * Keep in mind that the GalScout must be better at sneaking than the others. If we are forced to keep the active scanner and cloak wonky against each other, then this looks like the best way to do it. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3888	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:48:00 - [19614] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Though we may wanna try to also sell a 2x speed penalty if possible, unless Assaults become as rampant as we may expect Let's see how Charlie pans out first. Assaults are in for a larger buff than we'd initially anticipated; penalizing plates on Scouts may become a moot point. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1658	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:50:00 - [19615] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Though we may wanna try to also sell a 2x speed penalty if possible, unless Assaults become as rampant as we may expect Let's see how Charlie pans out first. Assaults are in for a larger buff than we'd initially anticipated; penalizing plates on Scouts may become a moot point. Shhhhhhh. Leave me and my gal scout to our heavy ways when im hunting squids I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3889	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:52:00 - [19616] - Quote Spademan wrote: If we are forced to keep the active scanner and cloak wonky against each other, then this looks like the best way to do it. Sorry, Spade. Simple American here. Is this how British-folk speak, and if so, might you teach me to better understand them? noob cavman wrote: Shhhhhhh. Leave me and my gal scout to our heavy ways when im hunting squids Also, any ideas what this means? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 232	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:55:00 - [19617] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: wow that is better/worse than pre alpha Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile supposed or min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%. I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too. if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout. I'm having a hard time following your thought process. Again. A 'bit of background ... EWAR is being divided three ways, and three EWAR Scouts are soon to have alot more in common. The lines which separate current roles are being altered; we need to redefine those lines or create new ones. If the GalScout's role is to be sneaky, then he should be measurably more sneaky than the others. To me, "measurably more" means getting the job done with one less module. To beat scans, I presently run two damps and a cloak on my GalScout. Come Charlie, I'll be able to accomplish the same with my CalScout. Rhetorical: How does this translate in terms of the GalScout's role? How does this translate in terms of the CalScout's role? As Appia has pointed out, Assaults will be the end-all-be-all Slayer Units. As such, we may be able to restore a meaningful cloak dampening bonus without upsetting balance. This would help the GalScout (not hinder it). But before we entertain the concept, we should agree on the GalScout's target role ... Are we all in agreement that the GalScout should remain the preeminent sneaker? Yes the galscout should be sneaky but i feel like the minmatar should be too especially with the amarr scan bonuses. The minmatar is supposed go be an assasin and assasinating people is kind of hard when they see a red dot getting ready to knife them. Knives could be fixed without doing that though the thing that would work would be a sprint chargeable knife. Why?
noob cavman And the ButtPirates 1658	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:01:00 - [19618] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: If we are forced to keep the active scanner and cloak wonky against each other, then this looks like the best way to do it. Sorry, Spade. Simple American here. Is this how British-folk speak, and if so, might you teach me to better understand them? noob cavman wrote: Shhhhhhh. Leave me and my gal scout to our heavy ways when im hunting squids Also, any ideas what this means? When I know brick cal squids are on the other side . Use 3 plates 1 range and 2 precision amps. With a carth scrmbler I want to be a caveman! Ccp: LEGION Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 2840	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:08:00 - [19619] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Spademan wrote: If we are forced to keep the active scanner and cloak wonky against each other, then this looks like the best way to do it. Sorry, Spade. Simple American here. Is this how British-folk speak, and if so, might you teach me to better understand them? Oh c'mon, Irish man, I'm Irish Wonky=bandy=banjaxed=busted=broken. Take your pick. Basically, I don't think scanning can be properly balanced when one piece of active equipment brings the dB down to a fixed level while the other brings it down by a percent. Ideally, they should both work the same way. Adipem Nothi wrote: noob cavman wrote: Shhhhhhh. Leave me and my gal scout to our heavy ways when im hunting squids Also, any ideas what this means? Noob likes to turn Caldari into sushi. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3219	Posted - 2014.08.11 21:09:00 - [19620] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: voidfaction wrote: wow that is better/worse than pre alpha Sounds like another profile nerf for gal and profile supposed or min/cal. funny trimming the gal bonus 25%, then 15%, now wanting it to be 5%. I could agree with this if minmatar bonuses drop from 25% to 5% or whatever percent you want the gal scout bonuses to be cut too. if you want to be a gal scout level a gal scout. if you want to be a min scout level a min scout. quit tryint to make the min scout min/gal super scout. I'm having a hard time following your thought process. Again. A 'bit of background ... EWAR is being divided three ways, and three EWAR Scouts are soon to have alot more in common. The lines which separate current roles are being altered; we need to redefine those lines or create new ones. If the GalScout's role is to be sneaky, then he should be measurably more sneaky than the others. To me, "measurably more" means getting the job done with one less module. To beat scans, I presently run two damps and a cloak on my GalScout. Come Charlie, I'll be able to accomplish the same with my CalScout. Rhetorical: How does this translate in terms of the GalScout's role? How does this translate in terms of the CalScout's role? As Appia has pointed out, Assaults will be the end-all-be-all Slayer Units. As such, we may be able to restore a meaningful cloak dampening bonus without upsetting balance. This would help the GalScout (not hinder it). But before we entertain the concept, we should agree on the GalScout's target role ... Are we all in agreement that the GalScout should remain the preeminent sneaker? Yes the galscout should be sneaky but i feel like the minmatar should be too especially with the amarr scan bonuses. The minmatar is supposed go be an assasin and assasinating people is kind of hard when they see a red dot getting ready to knife them. Knives could be fixed without doing that though the thing that would work would be a sprint chargeable knife. I totally agree. That is why I like Charlie. Because while we have to make a lot of sacrifice, we can get to that point of being unscannable. We should just have to make a greater sacrifice to get there than a Gal scout, which is also what happens in Charlie. When does charlie come out again? I hope this week. This is how a minja feels



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