also DPLAK..

look.. I'm ******* broke, I thought by now CCP would have gotten some kind of modicum of **** together so I'd be a billionaire in dust already. since that isn;t happening, I'm selling my votes for CCP.

Yup. Mollerz is a *****. Bred in Chicago.

Gimme ISK and I will give you votes. at least 7 or 8 of them

I just want to knife for a bit. And this is the only way I can do it without grinding.. cause I am not grinding dust anymore.

IF not.. I will obviously vote for some people.

IWS tho- you gotta pay. I would have voted for you, but you should be able to afford me. And think like it's xmas time.

Appia is a shoe in, but damn girl- help a brother out

min has a lot of other sacrifices that make it fair. Being so weak is a huge flaw worthy of the bonuses, which are situational and specialized to begin with.

There is no 1 for 1 black and white straight trades between bonuses. Clearly, some bonuses are worth more than others. To be even more granular, some bonuses apply 100% of the time, and some much less due to being completely situational. Then further down the rabbit hole than that, some bonuses require very specific player specific skills outside the game itself (knifing). you could give most people 1000% bonus damage with a charged orbital strike, and it wouldn't help them.

There's no way to take someone seriously if they don't get that.

Alrighty gents!

Reworked the numbers as follows:

MN - On standby awaiting further detail
AM - 5% bonus to range extender efficacy per level
GA - 5% bonus to profile dampener efficacy per level
CA - 8% bonus to precision enhancer efficacy per level
Housekeeping - Cleaned up maths


* This document is intended to help us hammer out a counterproposal in advance of the upcoming Charlie feedback stage. May not need it, but we'll have it just in case.

That ammar bonus still looks useless to me. No pc team is going to be like "we really really need an amarr scout so we can see undampened people from farther away". The active scanner already fulfills that role.

Alrighty gents!

Reworked the numbers as follows:

MN - On standby awaiting further detail
AM - 5% bonus to range extender efficacy per level
GA - 5% bonus to profile dampener efficacy per level
CA - 8% bonus to precision enhancer efficacy per level
Housekeeping - Cleaned up maths


* This document is intended to help us hammer out a counterproposal in advance of the upcoming Charlie feedback stage. May not need it, but we'll have it just in case.

So now amarr is suposed to only run at best 17db profile to take advantage of there forced efficacy bonus range?
remember min dont want forced bonuses because they want to have the option to run 3 dampeners and still get there bonuses.
amarr needs 3 dampeners the same as min to achieve 14db. gimp min bonuses if they choose to run 3 dampeners and all is good. amarr still needs more than range as it has the least amount of innate advantages.

He didn't even recommend Min bonuses. I like how you just automatically assume the proposal includes all the same bonuses. If you are going to be helpful, stop being unnecessarily combative.

We can't dump hot chicks in advance of their cheating.

Installation buff eh?
Hotfix Charlie(Should be Gamma but whatevs) just got interesting.

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo

etc.

Well I know that, I just wanted them to have gone all greek on this ****.
Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon.
Y'know, the cool words.

because he has never once put an efficacy in any of the min scout proposals. He is hoping for a full rebuild of min scout by the looks of it now. the amarr is the bottom of the barrel and he wants all attention on min scout and screw everything else.

@ Void

Shotty only wants balance. Some scouts that were a little OP will have to come down a notch, and we don't truly know what to do with Amarr, given the ridiculous EWAR constraints.

Give him a little credit for the work he has done. If he doesn't have a bonus listed, it is because there are few good bonuses, and some people seem to think that all bonuses are equal even when they are not, so multiples are out of the question.

Foxtrot Unicorn Charlie Kilo

Shotty is doing a great job. Not trying to say he is not. The scout community is very lucky to have him.
I am just giving my side. I want balance and have even stated as a 90% gal scout i would give up the OP dampening bonus to put the 3 non cal scouts on equal footing of needing 3 dampeners and a cloak to hide. Then what would a Gal scout get? would be less than an amarr and that is low.
My biggest argument is if your going to force 3 scouts into 1 role with 1 bonus then it needs to be done to the 4th also. I consider the NK bonus to min scout a given bonus to get them to use NK's they still have hacking, speed, stamina/regen shield regen and the ability to use all the weapons the other scouts can use with no bonus. I have even agreed with moving codebreakers and range amps to high slot. that in return would make cal choose precison or range or a little of both with some dampening but still not good enough dampening. would allow min to run codebreakers and dampening or sacrifice some dampening for kincats. would allow amarr with a range bonus to dampen with kincat/cardi to enhance them and still give them a purpose of long range scanner. moving codebreakers to high with efficacy bonus for min is just as fair as the efficacy bonus to the rest of the scouts.
The way I see it min needs to pick a bonus not pick all of them. what do they want to be faster than everyone or faster hackers than everyone they already have the OHK over everyone. pick one speed or hacking and add a efficacy bonus to it and put the mod in a high slot so you can still dampen.

Omicron, 'Nuff said.
Sigma's good too.

What if CCP named the patches after players?

Like hurricanes?

Lay it on me, after discussing with you guys, I felt the Amarr needed the precision bonus, a long range slow tank scout made precious little sense. You can keep the scout feedback here, and I will monitor.

On the Nova knife, I feel if adhesion works then it may reduce the need for range and/or increased damage. I don't think that we can get optimization skills for the NK in right now, so a Minja PG increase should go a long way.

And finally, Codebreakers in high?

We want to bring in efficacy changes, wholesale, after Charlie.

Lay it on me, after discussing with you guys, I felt the Amarr needed the precision bonus, a long range slow tank scout made precious little sense. You can keep the scout feedback here, and I will monitor.

On the Nova knife, I feel if adhesion works then it may reduce the need for range and/or increased damage. I don't think that we can get optimization skills for the NK in right now, so a Minja PG increase should go a long way.


And finally, Codebreakers in high?