As someone who lives near Seattle and knows the area pretty well I've been wanting a Seattle GTA for the longest time!

Knife bonus needs to stay. Back pedaling needs to get fixed finally.

When we last nerfed EWAR to fix brick-tanked Scouts, we saw a major shift toward brick-tanking among Scouts. The point I'm trying to make is that nerfing our EWAR will encourage more brick-tanking.

Don't make me brick-tank my loadouts to keep up. It isn't fun, it requires no skill and it makes me feel like a f*cking tourist in my own bar.

@ Llast

Same with most of my GalScout loadouts; very squishy, but also very fast. Unlike my CalScout loadouts, which are very squishy and very slow. Agreed 100% on routes and engagements.

Anyhow, little changes can be have big effects on interplay among Scouts ...

Let's say you're a post-Charlie Scout AK.0 running 2 cPEs and an ScR. You'll see a CA Scout long before he ever sees you, and it'll only take one charged shot to bring him down (unless he's running plates).

Let's say that CA Scout committed 100k from his wallet and all of his slots toward maximizing his role of "Scout Hunter". Well, that'd be some funny sh!t, wouldn't it? Who is hunting who?

Let's say the ineffective bastard respawns with two damps and manages to catch you offguard. How many seconds will it take him to cut through all of your massive HP? Those plates of yours are oh-so-heavy, but do you have the strength to insta-spin? Yes, you do. We all do. Which is why you'll win.

Because HP > All Else.
Just ask Nyain San.

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When we last nerfed EWAR to fix brick-tanked Scouts, we saw a major shift toward brick-tanking among Scouts. The point I'm trying to make is that nerfing our EWAR again will only serve to encourage more brick-tanking.

Don't make me brick-tank my loadouts to keep up. It isn't fun, it requires no skill and it makes me feel like a f*cking tourist in my own bar. I'll gladly declaw my CalScout to benefit other Scouts, but don't dilute EWAR to such a degree that all Scouts are best suited HP-tanking. We should be decentivizing HP tanking, not reinforcing it.

Agreed,
One thing though
Even running plates the ScR will wreck you.

Amen, Brother.
That sh!t stings.

Shhh Don't say that, a Dev is watching. I like my Scrambler weapons

There is a draconian way to gently prod slayers out of the scouts, fitting penalties as a role (just like fitting bonus for a scout) on plates.

What does this crowd say about that?

OK, so Nova Knives weren't mentioned because they were not part of the question...

We want to make the stronger and cheaper PG wise though, as well as KinCats and Codebreakers.

Yes this is without removing Passive shared, because that is not a triviality it seems.

And yes, we are looking intensely at efficacy module bonuses, it's a bigger change so we want more time to do that right.

We are also hoping to buff the assault to get slayers back where they belong.

There is a draconian way to gently prod slayers out of the scouts, fitting penalties as a role (just like fitting bonus for a scout) on plates.

What does this crowd say about that?

What do you feel about Amarr having the range, Gallente having dampeners, CA having precision and MM get better at hacking and running.

I am not too comfortable with giving the CA both range and precision supremacy, I believe you have to make a choice.

OK, so Nova Knives weren't mentioned because they were not part of the question...

We want to make the stronger and cheaper PG wise though, as well as KinCats and Codebreakers.

Yes this is without removing Passive shared, because that is not a triviality it seems.

And yes, we are looking intensely at efficacy module bonuses, it's a bigger change so we want more time to do that right.

We are also hoping to buff the assault to get slayers back where they belong.

There is a draconian way to gently prod slayers out of the scouts, fitting penalties as a role (just like fitting bonus for a scout) on plates.

What does this crowd say about that?

OK, so Nova Knives weren't mentioned because they were not part of the question...

We want to make the stronger and cheaper PG wise though, as well as KinCats and Codebreakers.

Yes this is without removing Passive shared, because that is not a triviality it seems.

And yes, we are looking intensely at efficacy module bonuses, it's a bigger change so we want more time to do that right.

We are also hoping to buff the assault to get slayers back where they belong.

There is a draconian way to gently prod slayers out of the scouts, fitting penalties as a role (just like fitting bonus for a scout) on plates.

What does this crowd say about that?

OK, so Nova Knives weren't mentioned because they were not part of the question...

We want to make the stronger and cheaper PG wise though, as well as KinCats and Codebreakers.

Yes this is without removing Passive shared, because that is not a triviality it seems.

And yes, we are looking intensely at efficacy module bonuses, it's a bigger change so we want more time to do that right.

We are also hoping to buff the assault to get slayers back where they belong.

There is a draconian way to gently prod slayers out of the scouts, fitting penalties as a role (just like fitting bonus for a scout) on plates.

What does this crowd say about that?

I like it, and have advocated for it for a while. This will create better balance amongst the scout suits, hopefully giving us 4 viable suits. I expect there will be some unexpected issues and players will continue to brick tank, but to be honest FOTM assault scouts will only be removed by fixing the Assault suit.

By that do you mean fitting plates will affect EWAR/biotic bonuses? If so, I'm not a big fan. People who are abusing the scout will continue to brick because there are still too many inherent advantages, and actual scouts will suffer because of it...until the scout becomes over-nerfed and the FOTMers move onto the next suit.

I'd recommend going with the first set of changes mentioned to scout bonuses/roles, and leave the other changes for after Assaults are fixed to see where the FOTM falls. If fixing the Assault doesn't do it, then please smash us with the nerf hammer until it does. But wait until then at least.

o7

By that do you mean fitting plates will affect EWAR/biotic bonuses? If so, I'm not a big fan. People who are abusing the scout will continue to brick because there are still too many inherent advantages, and actual scouts will suffer because of it...until the scout becomes over-nerfed and the FOTMers move onto the next suit.

I'd recommend going with the first set of changes mentioned to scout bonuses/roles, and leave the other changes for after Assaults are fixed to see where the FOTM falls. If fixing the Assault doesn't do it, then please smash us with the nerf hammer until it does. But wait until then at least.

o7

The fitting penalty is just "If scout then plate PG/CPU cost multiplied with (100%+fitting penalty %)"

Thanks for the clarification. If it was for Armor plates only, and not for ferro scale or reactive, then I'm all for it. I still think the assault scout is a legitimate play-style and I'd hate to see it disapear, but removing or limiting complex armor plates should be enough to make a difference. Ferro and reactive should always be viable for scouts.

^^^ This; please ignore the dev chasers.

Jaceon Pale-Eye, anyone that has a corp tag of "Nos Nothi", and the guys on the first post of the thread are the only regulars.

And I agree. Make the fitting cost rise for only armor plates. I don't know why a scout should be punished for fitting reactive or ferroscale plates.

@ Armor Plate Fitting Penalty (initial reaction)

:: pounds table ::
Do it! And make that penalty count!
Restore this Community's identity and honor!

:: points to the door ::
See the scrublets and unskilled flee our proud frames!
See our ranks renewed with Brother lost and newbros worthy of title!

:: raises fist ::
Give this battle-hardened Band of Brothers back their Hard Mode!!

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But please standby with the buff-button for Knives and Shotguns.
We'll all be super squishy, and Heavies are gonna eat our lunch. :-)

@ Armor Plate Fitting Penalty (initial reaction)


:: pounds table ::
YES! Do it! And make that penalty count! Restore this Community's identity and honor!

:: points to the door ::
See the scrublets and unskilled flee our proud frames! See our ranks renewed with Brother lost and newbros worthy of title and training!

:: raises fist ::
Give this battle-hardened Band of Brothers back their Hard Mode!!!

... clutching a bottle of anti-freeze.[/i]

LMAO ... why are you drinking anti-freeze!?

LMAO ... why is your merc drinking anti-freeze!?
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