Yo I'm back after a month brake what has been nerves or buffed?

Rattati says he's more-or-less satisfied with HMG Heavies as they are:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2212253#post2212253

Gav put up a post on Heavy Rotation Speed here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=165452&find=unread


Do you guys think Rattati is aware that we all rotate at the same rate?

1 question. What's project legion

News Brothers!

Rattati is aware that we're all rotate at the same rate:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2212501#post2212501

He likely won't budge on lowering Heavy Rotation Cap, which is good because it probably would've boned Commandos.

It is technically possible to assign a rotation penalty to Armor Plates. He used the term "coerce" when talking about it, so I didn't press my luck ... too hard :-)

Lengthen the activation timeGǪ fine that addresses the problem
Change the damage by tierGǪ okay bit of a boost for HAVsGǪ but okay
Raise the fitting costGǪ why

Oh lets do all three

Note that I generally use my RE as trips and in an AV capacity

Fun Video:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2211949#post2211949

:: Scrambles over to Fittings ::
:: Equips Breach Scrambler ::

Murica. F*ck yeah!

Your logic looks good to me, Cross.
I see we pick the biggest issue and iterate.

If we hit a home run on our first iteration, then we've done well in aiding Rattati. If we over-correct and inadvertently gimp Heavies, then the Devs need only dial back a single variable (Max Rotation Speed).

Thanks for weighing in, Cross. And good luck out there convincing the Heavies. Many are under the impression that "everything is fine" and they're very angry that we don't agree with them.

o7

Speaking of weighing in, I just responded to CCP R in your thread.

If we wants to promote role balance through buffing things before looking at nerfs then that's legit to me, but if that's the method great care needs to be taken to have a cohesive macro vision and avoid creating role overlap (which will simply create more FotM chasing and imbalance).

I am simultaneously encouraged and concerned by his combined responses and hope he provides more word soon.

Cheers,
Cross

For as long as there have been Scouts, we have have hit hardest from behind often with Shotgun or with Knives. If there is to be a new big picture or "cohesive macro vision", I hope that there remains room in it for our kind.

We talked him down on 2/3 points. Has something changed?

I was more "impressed" to hear the Heavy perspective on the topic.
You'd swear this was AV vs HAV all over again.

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And who knows maybe CCP R has a different vision than what I've had come into focus, but if so (or even if not) he needs to present it and discuss it with the community.

In other news I Knifed a Gal heavy using a Militia Min Heavy

Before being officially announced Rattati made lots of posts that said "just a player." Lots of his views are certainly from being a dev that actually plays the game, but he really seems to have had a very limited scope of what he has played. He's seemed pretty biased in what to fix in order of what he experiences. He said he was a GalMando and has since buffed the Plasma Cannon and Assault Rifle

Overlord Appia has played all the suits and enjoys them equally. Rattati knows the heavy frames, but I don't see much for Medium Frame problems or Light Frame problems in his focus.

EDIT: I'm partially suggesting that Rattati use his magic dev hacks to play all the roles more thoroughly, as we all know the problem with tourists

EDIT: I'm partially suggesting that Rattati use his magic dev hacks to play all the roles more thoroughly, as we all know the problem with tourists

GD has become a cesspit, so I figured I come back here to this old place from my dreams, back when I mained a Minmatar scout, to ask a simple question (because I am curious if I need to reevaluate my thoughts on the subject of "scout vs. sentinel balance").

If you, In your preferred scout, wielding a CRG-3 shotgun, came up behind a sentinel, which sentinel would you rather it be?

If it is no problem: List each of the four racial heavies From : 1 (most preferred) to 4 (least).

Buff the shotgun in some fashion. Assaults will be getting looked at, and I would not bet against EHP values increasing as a result. Simply looking at heavies would not make shotgun scouts fair well against our new Assault overlords.

Make an armour biased shotgun variant. Weapon profiles should matter. Bringing an AR/SCR against armour tankers is not ideal as-is, and bringing the current shield-biased shotty against a Gal Sentinel ought to continue to be less than ideal (even in the event of a buff).

GD has become a cesspit, so I figured I come back here to this old place from my dreams, back when I mained a Minmatar scout, to ask a simple question (because I am curious if I need to reevaluate my thoughts on the subject of "scout vs. sentinel balance").

If you, In your preferred scout, wielding a CRG-3 shotgun, came up behind a sentinel, which sentinel would you rather it be?

If it is no problem: List each of the four racial heavies From : 1 (most preferred) to 4 (least).

From my own experiences, but mostly from the perspective of an HMG wielding Minmatar Sentinel:
1) Minmatar. Low health values mean it gets shredded before it can really react.
2) Caldari. Shields go down to fluxes/HMG fire, and paltry armour goes down in an instant. Has time to react.
3/4) Amarr/Gallente. Bit of a tossup. Resistance against projectiles that protect their massive armourHP permits time to kill me.

I would think that a shotgun scout would have a similar list, but I can't assume anything.

Anyway, in lieu of a needed HMG nerf, some of my thoughts on helping my fellow enemy scouts directly:

Buff the shotgun in some fashion. Assaults will be getting looked at, and I would not bet against EHP values increasing as a result. Simply looking at heavies would not make shotgun scouts fair well against our new Assault overlords.

Make an armour biased shotgun variant. Weapon profiles should matter. Bringing an AR/SCR against armour tankers is not ideal as-is, and bringing the current shield-biased shotty against a Gal Sentinel ought to continue to be less than ideal (even in the event of a buff).

Are my thoughts disagreeable? Am I an idiot? Do I need to reevaluate things? I figure the barbers 'round here would know.

GD has become a cesspit, so I figured I come back here to this old place from my dreams, back when I mained a Minmatar scout, to ask a simple question (because I am curious if I need to reevaluate my thoughts on the subject of "scout vs. sentinel balance").

If you, In your preferred scout, wielding a CRG-3 shotgun, came up behind a sentinel, which sentinel would you rather it be?

If it is no problem: List each of the four racial heavies From : 1 (most preferred) to 4 (least).

From my own experiences, but mostly from the perspective of an HMG wielding Minmatar Sentinel:
1) Minmatar. Low health values mean it gets shredded before it can really react.
2) Caldari. Shields go down to fluxes/HMG fire, and paltry armour goes down in an instant. Has time to react.
3/4) Amarr/Gallente. Bit of a tossup. Resistance against projectiles that protect their massive armourHP permits time to kill me.

I would think that a shotgun scout would have a similar list, but I can't assume anything.

Anyway, in lieu of a needed HMG nerf, some of my thoughts on helping my fellow enemy scouts directly:

Buff the shotgun in some fashion. Assaults will be getting looked at, and I would not bet against EHP values increasing as a result. Simply looking at heavies would not make shotgun scouts fair well against our new Assault overlords.

Make an armour biased shotgun variant. Weapon profiles should matter. Bringing an AR/SCR against armour tankers is not ideal as-is, and bringing the current shield-biased shotty against a Gal Sentinel ought to continue to be less than ideal (even in the event of a buff).

Are my thoughts disagreeable? Am I an idiot? Do I need to reevaluate things? I figure the barbers 'round here would know.

....quality feedback redacted....
Honestly this worries me a bit, LW balance is an entire thing, trying to fix role/frame balance by altering LW balance is a bit of a red flag for me. Not that it should just be off the table, but it's shaky ground. (Heavy weapons are more acceptable to balance due to their "gated" nature binding them more tightly to a single frame/balance aspect).
I'm kind of a guest around these parts, but they know I'm mouthy and I haven't been knifed too much yet, so why mess with a good thing? I'll just keep talking

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Cross

1. I figured I should expand on this. My memory may be a bit fuzzy, but I recall that there was a skill change that removed ROF (and gave damage?). Many seemed to feel like it was a nerf, but it was awhile ago.

2. But you are correct. A buff could cause problems, if handled improperly (or done at all).

3. Possible buffs ought to stay away from straight-up damage, like Range? Backpedaling is an issue when I bring out my CRG-3 dragonfly. Does more skill lessen this?
ROF? I only have lvl 3 shotgun, so I missed out on things. Would more ROF put balance in jeopardy?

And even if any buffs to the standard shotgun variant are avoided entirely, is weapon variant balance a red flag? My once-beloved breach shotgun feels like it is in need of some love. But I am no bonafide shotgun scout these days, so I'll defer to the more experienced.

1. Caldari / Minmatar
2. Amarr
3. Gallente

Last tested, the Advanced Shotguns hit for roughly 450-500 DMG per blast at the outer bounds of optimal range (~4.9m). Protofits indicates that their fire rate is 85.71 RPM. Max-HP Caldari and Minmatar Sentinels require 3 center-mass blasts within 5m. Max-HP Gallente and Amarr Sentinels require 4 center-mass blasts within 5m.

Theoretical TTK is roughly 2 seconds for ck.0 / mk.0 and 3 seconds for ak.0 and gk.0. Realistic TTK is roughly +1 second for each, as most Heavies respond when struck. Observation suggestions that the ak.0 tends to tank less than the gk.0, hence the gk.0 is considered to be the toughest Sentinel to Shotgun.