Just got mine, downloading now. 3 hrs to go lol.

Anyone else playing over on the ps4?

Just got mine, downloading now. 3 hrs to go lol.

Anyone else playing over on the ps4?

Proposition Gino GOOGLE DOCS

Gallente Scout - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 15% -> 0%
Caldari Scout - Bonus to GÇÿScan PrecisionGÇÖ 25% -> 0%
Caldari Scout - Bonus to GÇÿPrecision EnhancerGÇÖ efficacy 0% -> 25%
Focused Active Scanner - GÇÿScan PrecisionGÇÖ 20 dB -> 22 dB
Advanced Cloak Field - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 5% -> 7.5%
Prototype Cloak Field - Bonus to GÇÿScan ProfileGÇÖ 10% -> 15%

What is Gino? Gino is a swedish dessert! RECIPE

For bonus points put sliced almonds on top of the white chocolate! (Or serve with pre roasted sliced almonds on the side.)

So this is some of the ideas that I have seen that I think are feasible and may work well together. I am not digging back through stuff o cite or credit the brilliant folk who come up with these ideas but you know who you are and be proud If one of your ideas is not here it's not necessarily because it is bad (though it might be) it's because It did not fit within the concept, or i forgot about it.
Always feedback, tell me I am an idiot (yes Appia I know )

*Assume the balance numbers that Appia and Haerr have/are working are applied.

Preface - I believe that Precision and Dampening are the most powerful tools that scouts have and many of the problems we face revolve around these bonuses. For this reason I feel that the Gal and Cal scouts should only have one bonus while the Min and Amarr scouts can have two bonuses as a balance factor.

Gal Scout - Dampening bonus as per Math folks (Tied to Module use)
The Gal scout has enough intrinsic bonuses to not warrant the range bonus, Dampening itself is one of the most potent bonuses Scouts can have, couple this with a fitting capacity that most easily accommodates the Proto Cloak and Gal is in a good place still.

Cal Scout - Precision bonus as per Math folks (tied to Module use)

Without the range bonus the Precision becomes more balanced, while the ability to increase range can be achieved through modules. Shared scans can likely remain without being a shutdown to all scouts, as every scout would have a viable way to counter Precision, though not without making sacrifices in fitting choice.

Amarr Scout - Stamina bonus as is now (not tied to Module bonus), Range Amplification bonus (tied to Module use)

The reason for not requiring the Stamina bonus to be tied to Module use is that really the Amarr does not need a Jar to function, and keeps it's fitting versatility this way. Fitting versatility is one of the strengths of the Amarr suit that is overlooked, I do not want to inadvertently nerf this aspect. The Range bonus gives an EWAR Bonus to the Amarr scout, something that many feel it is lacking. This also plays to the group function of the Amarr, and helps it support it's team.


Min scout - Hacking Bonus (tied to Codebreaker?), Nova Knife Bonus (Obviously tied to Nova Knife use)

The question of 'if the Hacking bonus needs to be tied to the Codebreaker for the Min' arises because the NK bonus already requires a specific fitting requirement to be usefulGǪ so input? The other problem the Min faces is the ability to fit what it needs, hence the calls for a PG buff. This does not need to be a huge buff in PG, but the strengths of the Min suit requires more high PG items, coupled with the slot layout this creates a PG deficit that needs addressing. I suggest the same PG as the Cal scout, which would be a 2/3/4 for Basic/Adv/Proto.

I think this would place all scouts in a good place internally (Scouts to Scouts), But i would appreciate and remind us to look at how this would be Externally (Scouts to Everything else)

I got my golden ticket in my email this morning.

Did anybody else get into the Destiny "alpha"?

Llast has pretty much summed up my stance on it.

Amarr needs EWAR to be viable as a scout, and range is the best fit. Battlefield awareness but unable to scan down dampened scouts.

Cal with precision and range and shared passive is FOTM replacement for scanerinas. Two out of three should balance it.

With the Cal changes Min is viable(ish), though the suggested changes to base hack speed would be useful, as would moving hack modules to high slots.

Removal of range from the Gal may push towards brick tanking, but they're already there. Removal of range give the Amarr a unique role, otherwise Gal will just do it better. Again.

I see where you guys coming from, but my concern is dilution. By these models, we take the function of Recon and distribute its components among different suits. I say we let the CalScout shine in the role, and find a new one for Amarr.

Why not Biotic bonuses for Amarr? Hear me out ...

Presently, the GalScout serves two vital functions in PC. Initially, he's first to the point; subsequently, he's the best at getting sh*t done under radar ("ghost"). Why not introduce the Amarr Scout to PC viability by granting him the "first-to-the-point" function? So long as we structure his biotic bonus in such a way that does not break hit-detection, the Amarr Scout could be upgraded along these lines from sub-optimal to fast-and-fun.

Afterthought:
Minmatar are fast, right? Well, somebody has to be faster if for no other reason than to catch and herd slaves. Hence Biotic Bonus for Amarr Scout :-)

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Current Gal Max Speed = 11.11 m/s
Current Amarr Max Speed = 10.70 m/s
Proposed Amarr Max Speed = 11.39 m/s <----------- Racial Bonus: +4% Biotic Module Efficacy per Level

Reserved for a Giant wall of text I am writing.

Shiver in anticipation.

@ Gav
How would a biotic scout the invalidate Minmatar?

Minmatar Scout, The Ninja ...
Best at hacking; best at strafing; best at knifing.

Amarr Scout, The Biotic ...
First to the point; best runner; best melee.

Rather, you want Minmatar Scout to (1) beat all scans, (2) be the best in short distance running, (3) be best in long distance running, (4) be best the best hacker, and (5) be the best knifer. In the mean, time you want one role (recon) to be split between Amarr and Cal, such that neither can do either very well.

Assuming we adopted your thinking and made the MinScout the best at everything ...
Why would anyone not want to be a MinScout?
Why would anyone want to be a Cal or Amarr Scout?

@ Gav
How would a biotic scout the invalidate Minmatar?

Minmatar Scout, The Ninja ...
Best at hacking; best at strafing; best at knifing.

Amarr Scout, The Biotic ...
First to the point; best runner; best melee.

Rather, you want Minmatar Scout to (1) beat all scans, (2) be the best in short distance running, (3) be best in long distance running, (4) be best the best hacker, and (5) be the best knifer. In the mean, time you want one role (recon) to be split between Amarr and Cal, such that neither can do either very well.

Assuming we adopted your thinking and made the MinScout the best at everything ...
Why would anyone not want to be a MinScout?
Why would anyone want to be a Cal or Amarr Scout?

Currently why would anyone want to be anything other than Gal or Cal?

Calling the Min the best hacker and best knifer are like saying it won second prize in an ugly contest. They are, at best, situationally useful bonuses. Even as (currently) the best runners, they'll still get beaten to the point by a fat suit in a LAV.

Gifting the Amarr with biotics just means that it ends up in exactly the same situation as the Min, as it can be fast and run long distances and cause massive damage within 2m, so long as it gives up dampening and EWAR. Biotics will at best create niche play for the class and replicates what the Min already does. We don't need two Minja suits.

I don't see it as splitting the recon role. I see it as providing different (hopefully viable) options for recon. An Amarr backing up a squad will give them massive visibility but without much depth. Using a Cal will mean you can see everything, but are limited by distance. If you want both, then run both in a squad, and then we have a reason to have two scouts on a team.

Well if the Gal loses the damps then it should have low precision range, Cal high precision with low range, its really balancing the Cal and Gal that's messing over the other 2.

@ Broker
Are you not OK with Gino? Gino will fix MinScout / CalScout, and everything I'm suggesting assumes Gino is adopted.

@ Ghost
I'm having difficulty following your train of thought. Can you boil it down to an itemized list?

@ Broker
Are you not OK with Gino? Gino will fix MinScout / CalScout, and everything I'm suggesting assumes Gino is adopted.

@ Ghost
I'm having difficulty following your train of thought. Can you boil it down to an itemized list?

Im sorry, I might have missed something....whats Gino?

But there's still no reason to run Amarr. I don't want to gimp the Cal, but we do need to look for a meta balance for all scouts and I literally cannot think of another bonus that makes the Amarr viable without making them the poor man's version of an existing suit.

I'm never going to run Amarr (to be honest I won't run anything other than Minmatar suits regardless of how broken they get) but I will advocate for Amarr to have a viable role on the battlefield, even if that means other scouts (including the Min) have to give up something for it to happen. And this seems like the best way to do so given the current meta and limitations on development changes.

Haerr's EWAR solution.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2206665#post2206665

@ Jace
You've got a d*mn good point ... the ScR and Laser Rifle require target acquisition at long range. The Amarr bonus should complement their weaponry. I'm in agreement ... an Amarr Racial Bonus to Range Extenders would make alot of sense.

Thanks for speaking up. o7

Agreed.

New Archetypes
Min - Ninja / Assassin (bonus to Codebreakers and Knives)
Cal - Ghost Hunter (bonus to Precision Enhancers)
Amr - Ranged Recon (bonus to Range Extenders)
Gal - Ghost (bonus to Cloak or Damps?)

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How can we make the Gal a Ghost without breaking Gino?

How can we make the Gal a Ghost without breaking Gino?