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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Onesimus Tarsus wrote:

Ghost Kaisar wrote:

Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed.

Case in point: Flaylock

Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless.

So, how do you use the flaylock?

Finisher. Pure and simple. I run an ACR on most fits, so I am almost always in range to use it effectively. speed is important too, as you have to have good positioning to deal the correct damage.

I have Pro 3 with it, and use the ADV variant on most suits. Core goes on my Proto fit.

It doesn't do any damage to shield suits, so don't even try. However, it will TEAR armor suits to SHREDS.

Right now, my ADV flaylock does roughly 230 splash damage to armor. That's almost 700 armor damage in a clip. Enough to destroy any armor tank I catch with it's shields down. Direct shots are insane, and can drop even the toughest heavy.

I can't count the amount of times me and a target have both torn though our primaries and switched to secondaries. This is where I win the fight. My alpha damage faaar excceds his.

It's nowhere near as useful as an SMG or Pistol in all scenario's but there are times where the flaylock is just the perfect weapon for the job. I get a lot of those times for some reason, so I run it as my sidearm.

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Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1771	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:54:00 - [6841] - Quote Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed. Case in point: Flaylock Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 390	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:55:00 - [6842] - Quote You can die by proxy mines, have had it fone to myself and done it others in pc. Should work in fw aswell. Place proxy's in a choke point and blast them with a mass driver when a red walks through the choke point. Boom an extra 750 damage on top Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! British ninja cowboy
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1223	Posted - 2014.01.11 20:59:00 - [6843] - Quote noob cavman wrote: You can die by proxy mines, have had it fone to myself and done it others in pc. Should work in fw aswell. Place proxy's in a choke point and blast them with a mass driver when a red walks through the choke point. Boom an extra 750 damage on top AKA Minmatar Damage Mod KRRROOOOOOM
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1771	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:00:00 - [6844] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: You can die by proxy mines, have had it fone to myself and done it others in pc. Should work in fw aswell. Place proxy's in a choke point and blast them with a mass driver when a red walks through the choke point. Boom an extra 750 damage on top AKA Minmatar Damage Mod Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 391	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:01:00 - [6845] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: You can die by proxy mines, have had it fone to myself and done it others in pc. Should work in fw aswell. Place proxy's in a choke point and blast them with a mass driver when a red walks through the choke point. Boom an extra 750 damage on top AKA Minmatar Damage Mod Also alot easier to fit than remotes Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! British ninja cowboy
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1223	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:04:00 - [6846] - Quote noob cavman wrote: Llast 326 wrote: noob cavman wrote: You can die by proxy mines, have had it fone to myself and done it others in pc. Should work in fw aswell. Place proxy's in a choke point and blast them with a mass driver when a red walks through the choke point. Boom an extra 750 damage on top AKA Minmatar Damage Mod Also alot easier to fit than remotes I am so going to be doing this with my Minja, NK/FL combo now Fitting being such a challenge as it is KRRROOOOOOM
Onesimus Tarsus 770	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:10:00 - [6847] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed. Case in point: Flaylock Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless. So, how do you use the flaylock? I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 599	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:15:00 - [6848] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed. Case in point: Flaylock Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless. So, how do you use the flaylock? you aim at someone and press R1 Appia Vibbia for CPM1 Cass Caul is no longer my alt [email protected]
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 1772	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:22:00 - [6849] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed. Case in point: Flaylock Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless. So, how do you use the flaylock? Finisher. Pure and simple. I run an ACR on most fits, so I am almost always in range to use it effectively. speed is important too, as you have to have good positioning to deal the correct damage. I have Pro 3 with it, and use the ADV variant on most suits. Core goes on my Proto fit. It doesn't do any damage to shield suits, so don't even try. However, it will TEAR armor suits to SHREDS. Right now, my ADV flaylock does roughly 230 splash damage to armor. That's almost 700 armor damage in a clip. Enough to destroy any armor tank I catch with it's shields down. Direct shots are insane, and can drop even the toughest heavy. I can't count the amount of times me and a target have both torn though our primaries and switched to secondaries. This is where I win the fight. My alpha damage faaar excceds his. It's nowhere near as useful as an SMG or Pistol in all scenario's but there are times where the flaylock is just the perfect weapon for the job. I get a lot of those times for some reason, so I run it as my sidearm. Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57 Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1226	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:58:00 - [6850] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Just because a weapon isn't popular, doesn't mean it should be removed. Case in point: Flaylock Not too popular anymore, due to it's steep learning curve in using it. However, for some people (me included now) it's a go to sidearm for their fits, mainly to how it synergizes with their main weapon. I can kill people with it. I find it useful. Just because it doesn't kill you often, doesn't mean it's useless. So, how do you use the flaylock? Finisher. Pure and simple. I run an ACR on most fits, so I am almost always in range to use it effectively. speed is important too, as you have to have good positioning to deal the correct damage. I have Pro 3 with it, and use the ADV variant on most suits. Core goes on my Proto fit. It doesn't do any damage to shield suits, so don't even try. However, it will TEAR armor suits to SHREDS. Right now, my ADV flaylock does roughly 230 splash damage to armor. That's almost 700 armor damage in a clip. Enough to destroy any armor tank I catch with it's shields down. Direct shots are insane, and can drop even the toughest heavy. I can't count the amount of times me and a target have both torn though our primaries and switched to secondaries. This is where I win the fight. My alpha damage faaar excceds his. It's nowhere near as useful as an SMG or Pistol in all scenario's but there are times where the flaylock is just the perfect weapon for the job. I get a lot of those times for some reason, so I run it as my sidearm. I use it a bit differently, and somewhat the same. this is on my lower sp Minmatar account, who can't fit *** all This is my Basic fit it is scaled up in Advanced as well for fun times Basic Min scout Adv NK Adv Flaylock Basic Flux Enhanced Kin Enhanced Card Basic Shield Basic RE Flaylock plays this way for me * Back peddling suits after a glancing/non-lethal knife hit get a missile to the face ( they pack peddle and so do I to not get owned by my own splash) * Flux drops shield and the Alpha damage from the Flaylock drops most suits * Once you have a handle on flight path you can snipe shot people with it * Awesome on damaged suits from a flanking position * Attacking from above/odd places this works wonderfully with the flux, and I there are more people than I want to deal with NK wise. * Trolling HAVs (one flux, and a clip from a FL often causes reflexive activation of modules and fleeing) KRRROOOOOOM

mollerz Minja Scouts 1765	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:02:00 - [6851] - Quote IF I were going to rock a flaylock with my ishnoks it would have to have a C sidearm dam mod on the fit as well. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1226	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:06:00 - [6852] - Quote mollerz wrote: IF I were going to rock a flaylock with my ishnoks it would have to have a C sidearm dam mod on the fit as well. This is why I am thinking the 'Minmatar Damage Mod' might be a fun addition KRRROOOOOOM
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 619	Posted - 2014.01.11 22:39:00 - [6853] - Quote Used to use flaylock(GN-20 Specialist) in combination with my Scramblers (ScR or AScr) - Was very good in city areas down hallways when the enemy thinks they have you measured and can duck behind cover. Once their shield was down you could always quick switch and mix in a flaylock missile with a volley or of course if you are above and have opponents pinned behind cover But ever since the combat came out I have gone basic SMG as my finisher...if need be. In your blind spot
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 191	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:09:00 - [6854] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: The Last place people looks for REs.....is above them Yes today I wanted to see if I could pull my old Killzone 3 tricks and you can! If you jump and throw RE simultaneously, you can get them to stick to the ceiling. Some are too tall but think about doorways and the underground halls in the Gallente research place or even on the Null Cannon up high. Seriously it's fun trolling out there with REs where people never look. I tried this earlier with no luck :( It was 2 against 8, and I ran around hacking objectives, and placing an RE high above the console. I doubt they saw the RE when they were hacking, and I got 0 kills from it. I have noticed something wonky with the explosives since 1.7, which has caused me to place them in obvious places simply because I don't trust the mechanics. I will keep trying though. It is definitely more likely to go unnoticed. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Onesimus Tarsus 773	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:16:00 - [6855] - Quote I go into an objective. I see REs on it. I know that nobody else is going to hack this thing, because there are 10 blue snipers in the hills. I hack it anyway, just to give somebody points and end the match faster. I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11943	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:20:00 - [6856] - Quote Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3928	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:24:00 - [6857] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< Congratulations on seeing what we were talking about. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1232	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:24:00 - [6858] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< Yeah, there is a reason for that IWSGÇª Because it is. Logi are broken, in many ways. Essentially we have a sandbox game, with great toys and customization but that kid named Logi is the only one with enough room to play with all the toys. Slot parity would make this less of a problem. KRRROOOOOOM
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 392	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:27:00 - [6859] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< He sees the light \Gùï/ Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! British ninja cowboy
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 79	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:29:00 - [6860] - Quote with the event coming up and the spam of 15db scanners that will be what does my gk.o need to get below 15db? imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 559	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:30:00 - [6861] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< Appreciate you actually chatting with us and all. Can I ask though, and not intending to sound rude, what took so long for any cpm member to show up? I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1182	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:34:00 - [6862] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Blah the more I play the numbers back in my head. The more the cloak is beginning to scream scout nerf and logi buff. >< arrrhggg >< Of course. The cloak is a situational tool for the scout allowing a scout to walk past enemies when there is no opportunity for flanking. For a logi, the cloak is a way to completely bypass the need for situational awareness in enemy controlled areas which is the bread and butter of scouts. There is a time and a place for the scout to use a cloak. Making the scout bonuses only affect cloak performance means they do well in that time and place but are greatly weakened in any other situation. Logis are receiving a bonus to all equipment, even equipment that isn't very "logistical". This bonus plus their higher fitting stats means they can bypass the "harder to fit on non-scouts" bit. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1184	Posted - 2014.01.11 23:40:00 - [6863] - Quote Random scoutly honor story. Me and a random scout rushed a deserted enemy objective. The other scout immediately started hacking. I looked around and saw an RE partially embedded into the wall. I blew it up before it could take out the random scout. The random scout looks at where the RE was, stops hacking, steps back, and lets me get the hack. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Quil Evrything Triple Terrors 712	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:05:00 - [6864] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Random scoutly honor story. Me and a random scout rushed a deserted enemy objective. The other scout immediately started hacking. I looked around and saw an RE partially embedded into the wall. I blew it up before it could take out the random scout. The random scout looks at where the RE was, stops hacking, steps back, and lets me get the hack. waitaminit.... are you saying that if you blow up an enemy RE... it omly does damage to YOU, not other blues? (in pub, anyways) ? !!
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1189	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:08:00 - [6865] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: waitaminit.... are you saying that if you blow up an enemy RE... it omly does damage to YOU, not other blues? (in pub, anyways) ? !! As far as I know. I've had several times where I was unknowingly standing on an enemy RE and a blue set it off without me taking damage. Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
icdedppul PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 14	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:13:00 - [6866] - Quote yeah if you get them stickied on the interior of the outside of the nul cannons they wont actually hurt anyone on detonation, quite annonying there is a glitch on the null cannon consoles you can just throw them on the face and it magically takes an elevator and disappears
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3929	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:14:00 - [6867] - Quote Krom Ganesh wrote: Quil Evrything wrote: waitaminit.... are you saying that if you blow up an enemy RE... it omly does damage to YOU, not other blues? (in pub, anyways) ? !! As far as I know. I've had several times where I was unknowingly standing on an enemy RE and a blue set it off without me taking damage. Weird, I've seen REs take out friendlies when shot plenty of times. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1189	Posted - 2014.01.12 00:24:00 - [6868] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Weird, I've seen REs take out friendlies when shot plenty of times. Huh. Maybe I've just been lucky running into REs that have been made duds by terrain glitches (that random as well). Scout Roles: M-Speedy Anarchist \| C-Chaos Weaver \| G-Stealth Recon \| A-Endurance Hunter
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1234	Posted - 2014.01.12 01:34:00 - [6869] - Quote OkayGÇª With the cloaked shooting concerns being expressedGÇª i understand that people are concerned, but If even if I can fire while cloaked, I will likely be firing before I cloak in many situationsGÇª Not saying this out there because really >PANIC< KRRROOOOOOM
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11954	Posted - 2014.01.12 02:06:00 - [6870] - Quote well slowly getting back into my stabby mood just went 9-1 on an open map while most of them are snipers some where very expensive snipers, one thale's at least. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked



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