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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:00:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Okay
So if we get a 10%/lvl fitting bonus to cloaks, with our currently low cpu/pg and...
If the logi get a 5%/lvl fitting to equipment and have substantially more cpu/pg than usGǪ does this not make their 5% much better than our 10%GǪ.
Not saying mathematically their bonus is better, but if their CPU and PG stays higher the 5% bonus will make it easier to fit than our 10% bonus, no?
^^
In your blind spot
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1179
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:10:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Okay
So if we get a 10%/lvl fitting bonus to cloaks, with our currently low cpu/pg and...
If the logi get a 5%/lvl fitting to equipment and have substantially more cpu/pg than usGǪ does this not make their 5% much better than our 10%GǪ.
Not saying mathematically their bonus is better, but if their CPU and PG stays higher the 5% bonus will make it easier to fit than our 10% bonus, no? ^^
lol
i know
butGǪ I do not welcome them
KRRROOOOOOM
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
191
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:38:00 -
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Scout Registry wrote:CCP Remnant wrote:
- The cloak field is a piece of equipment.
- When selected the cortex is raised and you press fire to activate it.
- Once activated, it goes away and your weapon is raised. You can switch to other weapons/equipment while cloaked.
- You cloak. The amount of "shimmer" is increased as you move so standing still you will be nigh invisible, but when moving you will be noticeable to an extent. When cloaked, you obviously have no chevron or health bars, but the enemy reticule will flash red if you run past it.
- Cloak can be deactivated by selecting it and pressing fire.
- Once deactivated or it runs out it will start to recharge.
- Firing a weapon while cloaked will rapidly deplete the cloak field (a single shot from a sniper rifle, for instance, will decloak you)
- You can only fit one cloak field at a time.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1699636#post1699636
guess it is time to save up SP for the sake of pure speculation of...
" No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1096
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:47:00 -
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Kahn Zo wrote:guess it is time to save up SP for the sake of pure speculation of...
As am I, though I'm kinda banking on there being a SP refund for dropsuits, dropsuit upgrades, and weaponry. I do not want to save up for another proto suit. That takes forever. 
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
7707
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:59:00 -
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Cloaking.
Expected to be a great revolution for scouts by CCP.
...
*fits on Gallogi*
k
im a scout
next
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
553
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:44:00 -
[6516] - Quote
It'd be neat if Scouts had a built-in cloak.
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
243
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:02:00 -
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DISGRUNTLEDev wrote:F@k you Kain. Can scouts have any love? Seriously, it's been a year. You should start a petition about shotguns and Nova Knives too. Get F***ed.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1701326#post1701326 |
Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
191
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:03:00 -
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this shyte is killing me.
"they" are all upset, cloaks.
for once, we, scouts, may get something, with a heavy price,
and
"they" in the past, has stated many times, that "we" are indeed in need of something,
Now that something is put on the table (lets play poker, and who is bluffing)
"they" are are all but hurt, but fine with there bullet spray guns over 100m
that cut through our tinsel suits in one shot.
Man, we can not get a break.
Rant done. I am still grumbling thou...
" No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
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mollerz
Minja Scouts
1654
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:25:00 -
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Oh the crying is just startign. Wait until we start slaying prey we choose instead of prey of opportunity. All those pub stompers who aren't used to dying are going to start losing some expensive as suits.
PErhaps we should start drawing up a hit list?
I think, at the top, we put Kain Sparo for the crime of attempting to prenerf us scouts.
I'm thinking this list could get kind of long.
You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
7723
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:32:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Oh the crying is just starting. Wait until we start slaying prey we choose instead of prey of opportunity. All those pub stompers who aren't used to dying are going to start losing some expensive ass suits.
PErhaps we should start drawing up a hit list?
I think, at the top, we put Kain Sparo for the crime of attempting to prenerf us scouts.
I'm thinking this list could get kind of long.
Honestly, I don't think being unable to fire while cloaked is a bad thing.
It may be based on a damage threshold or disruption from certain weapons - if it is feasible to do that, it is probably feasible to, say, headshot someone with a breach SCP whilst cloaked without breaking cloak. A normal breach shot does not do that much damage. The headshot does, of course, but it won't disrupt the cloak as much.
And there's plenty of ways this can be abused. Even if you're decloaked on firing, if you're firing as you decloak it's very strong. We need -something- nice but I think CCP should be careful about this.
Although, I'm seriously, seriously worried I'll just be able to chuck one on my Gallogi and chill like that.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
Legacy Rising
1676
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:38:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Oh the crying is just starting. Wait until we start slaying prey we choose instead of prey of opportunity. All those pub stompers who aren't used to dying are going to start losing some expensive ass suits.
PErhaps we should start drawing up a hit list?
I think, at the top, we put Kain Sparo for the crime of attempting to prenerf us scouts.
I'm thinking this list could get kind of long.
Just gonna get this started....
SCOUT HIT LIST:
Kain Spero
Get over it. If you don't play to win in FW, then you're playing for Caldari. -Patrick57
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Kahn Zo
Furyan Alpha
193
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:42:00 -
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" And there's plenty of ways this can be abused."
You know that better than most, being a vet for some time now Ark.
But,
where there is creativity, there will be OP no matter what is implemented.
It has been done a many time here on Dust and will continue to do so.
exploitation to the end result of near closest thing to OP is part of the game.
Plenty of smart 514 nerds to figure it out in two shakes of a lambs tail.
" No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit." ~ mollerz
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4328
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:49:00 -
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Yep.
Judging from the QQ on the forums the Cloak will come in pre-nerfed.
Its probably going to instead make you easier to see.
Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
952
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:52:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:... Though you have not Embraced the Death the way I have  Probably a good thing  ... Monk from the side, Red turns to face him silly red, you turned your back on a scout  Velocoraptor leap and we get him
Haha, it was great watching you ice that guy... too bad that guy on the roof above "B" in the black eagle suit took both of us out sonn afterwards....! At least he was in a scout suit, although not sure if he is a scout or not.
You do embrace the Death! You make it work though, you consistently got about twice the number of kills than deaths and were always at the top of the board.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
604
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:55:00 -
[6525] - Quote
Does any Dev or CPM play a light frame?
The amount of great ideas that have come from this thread and others and all the other suits get new stuff.
In your blind spot
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
952
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:55:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Also, other scouts. Did I miss anything? Feel free to quote and edit the post if you have to.
I think you got it all, but be careful of friendly fire in FW... especially if you have Eve support and can drop an OB.... don't kill your own guys! Separately; I am curious what happened with that hate-mail and phone number you got in-game this morning, Kaisar.... I got his freaking voicmail is what happened! I called him right afterwards too, so he obviously didn't want to talk to me. Freaking wuss.
Man, that's so lame... I was hoping for some cool story.... |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4328
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:55:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Does any Dev or CPM play a light frame?
The amount of great ideas that have come from this thread and others and all the other suits get new stuff.
I've only ever seen Nova Knife run a Proto Gallente Scout, but he is a substitute CPM, and hardly plays at all.
Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
7725
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:57:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Does any Dev or CPM play a light frame?
The amount of great ideas that have come from this thread and others and all the other suits get new stuff. I've only ever seen Nova Knife run a Proto Gallente Scout, but he is a substitute CPM, and hardly plays at all.
This is incorrect.
He's a full CPM.
Also, he likes his Quafe suits. 
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4328
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Does any Dev or CPM play a light frame?
The amount of great ideas that have come from this thread and others and all the other suits get new stuff. I've only ever seen Nova Knife run a Proto Gallente Scout, but he is a substitute CPM, and hardly plays at all. This is incorrect. He's a full CPM. Also, he likes his Quafe suits.
He is?
..... I thought he was a substitute......
I hate him, he rammed my HAV back in 1.6 causing me to blow up, I'm pretty sure it was intentional to, if it wasn't, hes a pretty crappy driver.
Provider of Vanilla Scented Soap Bars
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
476
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
It may be based on a damage threshold or disruption from certain weapons - if it is feasible to do that, it is probably feasible to, say, headshot someone with a breach SCP whilst cloaked without breaking cloak. A normal breach shot does not do that much damage. The headshot does, of course, but it won't disrupt the cloak as much. And there's plenty of ways this can be abused. Even if you're decloaked on firing, if you're firing as you decloak it's very strong. t.
Just because you are cloaked wont give someone "headshot aim" I really dont think it will be all that effective. The shimmer will be totally obvious unless on a scout that has the shimmer bonus. People are making mountains out of mole hills.
The big benefit will be lack of chevron, tacnet and no health bars. It will be a hit and run tactic. Shoot someone while not cloaked, run around a corner, cloak and wait for them to run by you...then ambush.
Cloak is a gimmick to make our role more attractive, but it wont be OP.
PHI Recruitment
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:00:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Does any Dev or CPM play a light frame?
The amount of great ideas that have come from this thread and others and all the other suits get new stuff. I've only ever seen Nova Knife run a Proto Gallente Scout, but he is a substitute CPM, and hardly plays at all. This is incorrect. He's a full CPM. Also, he likes his Quafe suits. He is? ..... I thought he was a substitute...... I hate him, he rammed my HAV back in 1.6 causing me to blow up, I'm pretty sure it was intentional to, if it wasn't, hes a pretty crappy driver.
Why were you in an HAV?
Heresy!
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
4329
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:03:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Why were you in an HAV?
Heresy!
I saw him call in a Missile Soma and said to myself "Pfft, whata scrub, I'll show him how its done!"
Later in that match, I randomly recieve +4k Damage, and I go into third person, only to see Nova's HAV on top of mine (I dont blame him, my HAV is irresistably sexy) then I get hit by a Forge, and lose my 700k ISK.
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noob cavman
Tickle My Null-Sac
373
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:06:00 -
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But my remotes 
Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
Renegade minja fighting for the empress
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1180
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:20:00 -
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noob cavman wrote:But my remotes
I know
KRRROOOOOOM
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1181
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:33:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Llast 326 wrote:... Though you have not Embraced the Death the way I have Probably a good thing ... Monk from the side, Red turns to face him silly red, you turned your back on a scout Velocoraptor leap and we get him Haha, it was great watching you ice that guy... too bad that guy on the roof above "B" in the black eagle suit took both of us out sonn afterwards....! At least he was in a scout suit, although not sure if he is a scout or not. You do embrace the Death! You make it work though, you consistently got about twice the number of kills than deaths and were always at the top of the board. Representing for the scout community!
Yeah the guy on B was quick on us.
As to my philosophy on Death, it often works but it is not always so  when I have a bad match it's badGǪ but I try to adapt
And I think we were Three scouts in the the top 5 that match so we all represented in our styles
KRRROOOOOOM
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3846
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:36:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:noob cavman wrote:But my remotes I know
I weep.
I made a tread to get them buffed not nerffed!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
677
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:40:00 -
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Awwright, so here's the ugly truth as it currently appears.
It seems like CCP is basically giving uber-buff to logi, and screwing over scouts. Yet Again.
That is to say:
1. no slot count reduction to logi
2. allowing logi to have cloaks
3. NOT giving scouts a special slot for it
And the piece de resistance:
4. taking away scout damping bonus for everything except gallente
if all of the above stays true, how many current scouts plan to switch to gallente logi?
(Since they get very scout-like bonuses to scanning!! And can fit cloak, damping, and pretty much anything else they like)
Place your vote here:
http://poll.pollcode.com/1537722
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
1181
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:43:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Awwright, so here's the ugly truth as it currently appears. It seems like CCP is basically giving uber-buff to logi, and screwing over scouts. Yet Again. That is to say: 1. no slot count reduction to logi 2. allowing logi to have cloaks 3. NOT giving scouts a special slot for it And the piece de resistance: 4. taking away scout damping bonus for everything except gallente if all of the above stays true, how many current scouts plan to switch to gallente logi? (Since they get very scout-like bonuses to scanning!! And can fit cloak, damping, and pretty much anything else they like) Place your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/1537722
Were do we have info on 1, and 3? (link please)
edit: I am bastardly through and through and will remain so
KRRROOOOOOM
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
677
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:52:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Awwright, so here's the ugly truth as it currently appears. It seems like CCP is basically giving uber-buff to logi, and screwing over scouts. Yet Again. That is to say: 1. no slot count reduction to logi 2. allowing logi to have cloaks 3. NOT giving scouts a special slot for it And the piece de resistance: 4. taking away scout damping bonus for everything except gallente if all of the above stays true, how many current scouts plan to switch to gallente logi? (Since they get very scout-like bonuses to scanning!! And can fit cloak, damping, and pretty much anything else they like) Place your vote here: http://poll.pollcode.com/1537722 Were do we have info on 1, and 3? (link please)
At present, it is inferred from the following info:
#1, inferred from shared knowlege about known logi nefs coming. but no mention given to slots. Reasonable assumption: if they were going to do so, they'd anounce the heck out ofit. So.. they're not oging to do it.
#3, again , inferred, from the dev post about the details on cloaks, by CCP Remnant, at:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1699636#post1699636
He goes into Really, Really long detail about cloaks... so he speaks volumes by what he does not say.
If scouts were getting a special slot for it, seems like he would have mentioned it then.
I requested clarification from a dev on that thread. Unfortunately, while it got innundated by speculation by players, there has been no dev followup so far.
I certainly admit that the above could be wrong. hence my particular wording.
That being said... seems like my description above, is the likely current path.
So. to repeat my poll question:
IF it IS true.. .how many will switch to gallente logi?
http://poll.pollcode.com/1537722 |
Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:55:00 -
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Alright guys, with the recent talk of CPM elections, it may very well be time to start thinking about who we, as a group, would support for as a candidate, who would not only help us scouts, but the game as a whole. One with an interest in the developent of the game and a desire to see it progress to something amazing.
Any thoughts?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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