gk0 can attempt to protostomp until a squad of any proto medium frames comes along. Minny has no chance of protostomping

I"m just throwing my Christmas List Scout Hotfix that I am hoping to see from CCP, and I am not just listing topics, we all mostly agree on the items that need boosted but I was curious on what you guys thought on the actual numbers, let me know if I'm breaking something.


I particularly like the first one

1) Profile Signature and Precision drop down from 45 to 40

- Doing this will save cpu and will functionally give the scout one extra low slot

--40 (.9) (.75 )= 27,

- Which is dead on where it needs to be considering the high level of sp investment it takes to get it there to beat a cheaper equipment item. This is also useful since high slot scouts (min/cal) will be suffering choice wise since low slots are so important (its why the gal is better than the min at the moment), it also frees up the gal scout for better cqc survival.

- Reduce Dampening mods by a factor of 5% to bring them in line with precision enhancers. This will also reduce the logi/medium "scout" phenomena, while making it hard for the scout to beat the focus


2) Base Stamina increase from 200 to 300

- This increases sprint duration from 20 seconds to 30 seconds

- Since CCP has a very low unofficial and now untested speed cap, stamina can be used to help alleviate the issue


3) Increase movement/sprint by .5 for each scout, and see how well that works

-The hit detection can account for this small increase


4) Fall Damage needs to be reduced by 80%

-Because of its current iteration, scouts one main defensive feature is cut incredible short due to this short fall, in fact the scout under duress has less escape options than the other dropsuits due to the high cost of fall damage on the scout.



Wild Card

Stealth Hacking- Doesn't notify that an objective is being hacked until it enters the contested state

I like this one because this would make scouts extremely useful in PC/FW/Skirmish on this factor alone.

Throw me in there when you get a chance im currently playing with my adv gallente scout with adv scrambler pistol and sub and can't forget my RE's got a 6 kill remote during FW last week near the end of the match tis was awsome since everyone in onslaught got to be a witness

Someone please check my math on the scout v. scout scenario that follows:

A Gallente scout with lvl 5 racial and lvl 5 dampening running a basic damp module cannot be seen by another Gallente scout NO MATTER WHAT.

A Gallente scout with lvl 5 racial and lvl 5 precision running one basic precision mod can see a Gallente scout with racial/dampening 5/5 with no damp modules...but even with two complex precision mods cannot see the same scout with a basic damp module.

Bottom line: Basic precision and basic damp pay the only return on investment. Anything stronger is overkill and a waste of cpu.

Currently sitting at 5 kills as my max on an RE. For how often I run RE's you'd think i'd have at least done a squad wipe with a single RE at least once... nope. =*(

Bottom line: Basic precision and basic damp pay the only return on investment. Anything stronger is overkill and a waste of cpu.

1) Profile Signature and Precision drop down from 45 to 40

- Doing this will save cpu and will functionally give the scout one extra low slot

2) Base Stamina increase from 200 to 300

3) Increase movement/sprint by .5 for each scout, and see how well that works.

Scout dampening: lvl 5 scout with 0 points in dampening: 45*.75= 33.75
With lvl 3 dampening: 33.75 * 0.96 = 32.4
With lvl 5 dampening: 33.75*.9= 30.375
With 1 complex dampener: 30.375*.75= 22.78

Scout Precision: lvl 5 scout with 0 points in precision: 45
lvl 5 scout with lvl 5 precision: 45*.9= 40.5
Add in 1 complex precision enhancer: 40.5*0.8 = 32.4
Minmatar Scout with 3 complex precision enhancers: 23.71

Precision is not for anti-scouts but for countering dampened medium suits

Why does any of this matter when we have pocket scouts

0uter.Heaven, Zan? really?

Precision is not for anti-scouts but for countering dampened medium suits

In theory.

In practice, I catch many, many scouts just with my pathetic ADV scanner. Kinda shocking, really.

So, the reality is that precision is useful against everything except blowhard proto scouts.

Anyone else think the combat logi tears are extra sweet today?

Heck yes. Since winter Carnage, I've realized how strong these suits are. They have been out in proto force sitting on op rep hives. prof 5, 2 damage mods, advanced tactical sniper. 3 shots and they are still alive, reload, and they are back to full armor. Rinse, repeat. Now that they will lose the sidearm, we need to push for scout only sniper rifles.

They don't get side arms people are saying they should only carry side arms.

They don't get side arms people are saying they should only carry side arms.

They don't get side arms people are saying they should only carry side arms.

[quote=mr musturd]Anyone else think the combat logi tears are extra sweet today?

If i were foolish enough to weigh in on this subject I would say
Drop the PG CPU of the Logi, and replace the Logi bonus with reduced PG CPU to equipment.

Musturd!!! o/ you gonna be on later? Need some training on the knives

I always like the damage reduction to a logi's weapon idea. But really, it is the slot layout that makes them slayers. They've always had the most high and low slots. Every Logi has 14 slots. they all have a grenade, a light weapon. Minmatar's 4 high, 4 equipment, 4 low is the base
Gallente trades a high slot for a low slots.
Caldari trades an equipment slot for a high slot
And Amarr trades an equipment slot for a sidearm.

Logi was always this good, just the masses didn't realize it until there were more suits to make it more noticeable.

Scouts on the other hand have only ever been nerfed :_:

For sure caveman, I should be on tonight. I've been running zn28s all week for the event. Ill mail you when I'm on and we'll squad and ill run you through my fits and help you with movement on the field but 1 rule no scanner please it alerts the red dots that they're being stalked

Heck yes. Since winter Carnage, I've realized how strong these suits are. They have been out in proto force sitting on op rep hives. prof 5, 2 damage mods, advanced tactical sniper. 3 shots and they are still alive, reload, and they are back to full armor. /quote]


you're doing it wrong.
First clear out their junk, with either plasma cannon or forge gun.


or... you need to switch to charged sniper rifle+ headshots? :D


To put it another way; it makes sense that ADV gear fails against proto suit+proto gear.

Switch to proto damage mods + proto sniper, then see how tough they are.