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Ghost Kaisar wrote:

IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:

Varoth Drac wrote:

I agree with Ghost on Min scout fitting doctrine.

Two complex damps not only puts you under 21 db Gal logi scans, but also under 20db inner scan rings (the most common precision, if I'm not mistaken).

Now, on my advanced fit I run an enhanced + complex damp, which gets me to 20db. Perhaps it would be useful to drop one and go armour, but as someone who can't not run uplinks, I just don't have the PG available. I suspect that with most fits, the PG could be better spent on shields, equipment or weapons, rather than armour.

A kincat is almost always the best option for the third slot. A Codebreaker is a potential option too.

Speed and stealth, as Ghost says, is what a scouts are about. Otherwise you'd be better off with something else.

Just wish Ghost would listen to what people are saying a little more. I did say *if you are happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s*

Pretty obvious he doesn't really see much else except end-game, and there's nothing wrong with that, just that's not what was being discussed.

The question was, if you're happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s, what would you put in the 3rd low?

*Obviously* that is not an end-game consideration, which is why I made it clear in the first place.

Missed that part. Here's my answer to that.

I'd put in another dampener.

Now I'm even happier.

EDIT: If I can't put on another dampener, I'd probably put on another speed or code rather than an armor mod. Possibly even a regulator. But non-two damp scouts make a sad Ghost.

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chill penguin Corrosive Synergy 272	Posted - 2015.08.11 20:07:00 - [43441] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: I agree with Ghost on Min scout fitting doctrine. Two complex damps not only puts you under 21 db Gal logi scans, but also under 20db inner scan rings (the most common precision, if I'm not mistaken). Now, on my advanced fit I run an enhanced + complex damp, which gets me to 20db. Perhaps it would be useful to drop one and go armour, but as someone who can't not run uplinks, I just don't have the PG available. I suspect that with most fits, the PG could be better spent on shields, equipment or weapons, rather than armour. A kincat is almost always the best option for the third slot. A Codebreaker is a potential option too. Speed and stealth, as Ghost says, is what a scouts are about. Otherwise you'd be better off with something else. Just wish Ghost would listen to what people are saying a little more. I did say *if you are happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s* Pretty obvious he doesn't really see much else except end-game, and there's nothing wrong with that, just that's not what was being discussed. The question was, if you're happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s, what would you put in the 3rd low? Obviously that is not an end-game consideration, which is why I made it clear in the first place. Missed that part. Here's my answer to that. I'd put in another dampener. Now I'm even happier. EDIT: If I can't put on another dampener, I'd probably put on another speed or code rather than an armor mod. Possibly even a regulator. But non-two damp scouts make a sad Ghost. I usualy damp and kincat 2/2. Or damp and reg. i can't go undamped, that would not be humane.
Kaeru Nayiri Ready to Play 1	Posted - 2015.08.11 20:13:00 - [43442] - Quote chill penguin wrote: I usualy damp and kincat 2/2. Or damp and reg. i can't go undamped, that would not be humane. You mean, that would not be avian. Know what cannot be known.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 20:16:00 - [43443] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Varoth Drac wrote: I agree with Ghost on Min scout fitting doctrine. Two complex damps not only puts you under 21 db Gal logi scans, but also under 20db inner scan rings (the most common precision, if I'm not mistaken). Now, on my advanced fit I run an enhanced + complex damp, which gets me to 20db. Perhaps it would be useful to drop one and go armour, but as someone who can't not run uplinks, I just don't have the PG available. I suspect that with most fits, the PG could be better spent on shields, equipment or weapons, rather than armour. A kincat is almost always the best option for the third slot. A Codebreaker is a potential option too. Speed and stealth, as Ghost says, is what a scouts are about. Otherwise you'd be better off with something else. Just wish Ghost would listen to what people are saying a little more. I did say *if you are happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s* Pretty obvious he doesn't really see much else except end-game, and there's nothing wrong with that, just that's not what was being discussed. The question was, if you're happy with 24dB and 9.35 m/s, what would you put in the 3rd low? Obviously that is not an end-game consideration, which is why I made it clear in the first place. I answered your question. Check back when you first asked it & get back to me. EDIT fukit Ghost said what i said Sil4ntChaozz You don't need to follow the rules of the game you just need to keep breaking it until it works-JSE xD
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:27:00 - [43444] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I agree with Ghost on Min scout fitting doctrine. Two complex damps not only puts you under 21 db Gal logi scans, but also under 20db inner scan rings (the most common precision, if I'm not mistaken). Now, on my advanced fit I run an enhanced + complex damp, which gets me to 20db. Perhaps it would be useful to drop one and go armour, but as someone who can't not run uplinks, I just don't have the PG available. I suspect that with most fits, the PG could be better spent on shields, equipment or weapons, rather than armour. A kincat is almost always the best option for the third slot. A Codebreaker is a potential option too. Speed and stealth, as Ghost says, is what a scouts are about. Otherwise you'd be better off with something else. I suppose I should have made clear that the fit I gave was a pub-only fit. Still, for me, it is the absolute epitome of Min Scout fits. If there are no Gal Logis or scanners or anything, for me, there can be no better fit. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
noob cavman Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:33:00 - [43445] - Quote I shield tank my gal assault. I am truly satan. The most abusive northerner. Beware semi organic deviants turning our solar system into a toxic hell hole.
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:42:00 - [43446] - Quote Two kincats is the epitome min scout pub fit. I'll stab anyone who says otherwise. People found this review helpful!
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:50:00 - [43447] - Quote Min Scout vs Gal Scout Obviously, I don't mean literally. I'd like to know your thoughts on how the two Scouts compare though. Before I respecced, I had the Gal Scout to level 4, and was able to run the Proto suits through the Federal Marine store. There were a lot of things about it that I noticed were inferior to the Min Scout, or at least things that didn't suit my playstyle. Firstly, the Gal Scout is an Armour Scout. I was under the assumption that most people agreed that Shield tanking was best for Scouts. It certainly seemed that way to me, and I was baffled at the comparatively long downtimes I had to wait in between confrontations whilst in my Gal Scout. Where the downtime for Min Scouts is around about 10 seconds max, the Gal Scout seemed to be taking 30. If you want it to be faster, you have to equip Armour Repair mods, but then you'd be neglecting yourself the other Low Slot mods. I found the low CPU of the Gal Scout to be extremely restrictive. I know that a lot of people complain about the Min Scout's 'lackluster PG', but I've never had a problem with my Min Scout's PG, and all my fits fit perfectly well. The innate low speed and stamina regen of the Gal Scout was frustrating for me. If I wanted to improve it, I'd have to utilise my Low Slots, but then I would think 'I could simply have better biotic stats on my Minja without even using any mods'. It's just a little thing, but I found it annoying how I would need to melee an Uplink twice with my Gal Scout to destroy it, whereas my Minja would only need to do it once every time. I never got the opportunity to run my Gal Scout in a PC. The only Scout I've run in PC is my Min Scout, but it's proven sufficiently effective for me. Damping beyond the 18 DB that 2 Damps provides was never an issue with me, since I would always just hide with the blues for a couple seconds until I was hidden again. I imagine that Damping the Gal Scout to beat 15 DB Scans would gimp the suit to such an extent that I'd be better off not running a Scout all together. I've heard people describe the Gal Scout as the 'combat Scout', but for me, this just simply wasn't the case, and the Min Scout was better for killing. Most of you have seen me in game, running my Minja. You've seen the efficiency of my fits. You've seen how I use the Min Scout to slay. For me, there can be no better suit than the Minja. The way that certain people frown upon me for running Armour on my Min Scout reminds me of the people who complained about people running Cloaks on their Scouts. At the end of the day, there really was nothing wrong with running Cloaks, and people tried to shame those who did run Cloaks simply because they did not know how to counter it, or they were jealous of it's effectiveness. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:54:00 - [43448] - Quote Only a Brit can shout, 'ARE YOU 'AVIN A FLIPPIN' GIGGLE MATE?!?!' when he gets pissed, and be completely serious. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 21:55:00 - [43449] - Quote It's not jealousy you narcissistic nerd. People found this review helpful!
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:00:00 - [43450] - Quote First Prophet wrote: It's not jealousy you narcissistic nerd. If you would have read correctly, you would have seen that I was not talking about myself, but about Cloaks in mid 1.8. It is true that people were jealous of those who found success with Cloaks in 1.8. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181634 Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3

First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:03:00 - [43451] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: First Prophet wrote: It's not jealousy you narcissistic nerd. If you would have read correctly, you would have seen that I was not talking about myself, but about Cloaks in mid 1.8. It is true that people were jealous of those who found success with Cloaks in 1.8. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181634 I'm not sure when that was but I still doubt that was jealousy. If it was jealousy they would've just fit it themselves. Also that whole post was literally all about you. The cloak thing wasn't until the last paragraph, which you probably only mentioned as an excuse to link the thread you made. Which was basically about you. :p People found this review helpful!
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:08:00 - [43452] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: First Prophet wrote: It's not jealousy you narcissistic nerd. If you would have read correctly, you would have seen that I was not talking about myself, but about Cloaks in mid 1.8. It is true that people were jealous of those who found success with Cloaks in 1.8. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181634 I'm not sure when that was but I still doubt that was jealousy. If it was jealousy they would've just fit it themselves. They were jealous, but their false sense of 'pride' prevented them from using a Cloak themselves. They would say 'I don't need a Cloak, Cloak is for scrubs', but I really think they refused to use one because they would still pale in comparison to the actual good players, even with the Cloak, and then their sense of pride would crumble. They didn't want that, so they would continue to suck, convincing themselves that not using a Cloak because they were too 1337 or old school or something was a suitable excuse. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
First Prophet Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:15:00 - [43453] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: First Prophet wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: First Prophet wrote: It's not jealousy you narcissistic nerd. If you would have read correctly, you would have seen that I was not talking about myself, but about Cloaks in mid 1.8. It is true that people were jealous of those who found success with Cloaks in 1.8. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=181634 I'm not sure when that was but I still doubt that was jealousy. If it was jealousy they would've just fit it themselves. They were jealous, but their false sense of 'pride' prevented them from using a Cloak themselves. They would say 'I don't need a Cloak, Cloak is for scrubs', but I really think they refused to use one because they would still pale in comparison to the actual good players, even with the Cloak, and then their sense of pride would crumble. They didn't want that, so they would continue to suck, convincing themselves that not using a Cloak because they were too 1337 or old school or something was a suitable excuse. If they were really just bad players who can't admit to being bad with a cloak, how do the good players without the cloak not destroy the pride they so desperately depend upon? I doubt these people exist, you likely invented them as a means to boost your ego. :p People found this review helpful!
noob cavman Nos Nothi 3	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:23:00 - [43454] - Quote My unnatural hatred of clacks comes from the insta shotgun time. Thats it. Also ive not needed a clack before that and I would rather fit better remotes/equipment. I just feel I don't need it. My lol fits are the one's with clacks on. Yes. Clacks. The most abusive northerner. Beware semi organic deviants turning our solar system into a toxic hell hole.
Spademan 7	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:26:00 - [43455] - Quote See the reason I hate cloaks is because I could put anything else in that slot and it's more useful. What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 8	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:46:00 - [43456] - Quote The cloak simply does not increase the effectiveness of any of the roles I perform on the battlefield. In some cases it decreases the effectiveness of some of my tactics. Why fit it? MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:54:00 - [43457] - Quote I often use cloak: When moving from cover to cover outdoors When crossing open terrain When climbing ladders When escaping / evading pursuers When other forms of concealment or cover are unavailable When hacking I seldom use cloak: When indoors When in the dark When engaging targets Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 22:55:00 - [43458] - Quote I would like to hear your thoughts on how the Min and Gal Scouts compare to each other. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:07:00 - [43459] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I would like to hear your thoughts on how the Min and Gal Scouts compare to each other. Different suits for different settings. MinScout is way more fun. If you need to knife heavies or speed hack points, you want a MinScout. If the enemy has GalLogi, better off in a GalScout. If you need to scan other Scouts, better off in a GalScout. The MinScout is the better assassin if the enemy lets you get away with running it, or if your side has the substantially better team. In a tough or uphill fight, you're better off with a shotgun than knives, and you're better off shotgunning in a single damped GalScout than a double damped MinScout. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Dreis ShadowWeaver Corrosive Synergy No Context 6	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:16:00 - [43460] - Quote I do find it remarkable that very few Gal Scouts run rifles. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel My Minja Blog Caldari blood, Matari heart <3

One Eyed King Nos Nothi 11	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:23:00 - [43461] - Quote I often use cloaks when dying. I also often die when not using one. I live only when wearing a dampened Assault. Sigh. I don't care for this meta. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 8	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:24:00 - [43462] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: I often use cloak: When moving from cover to cover outdoors When crossing open terrain When climbing ladders When escaping / evading pursuers When other forms of concealment or cover are unavailable When hacking When getting into sniping or countersniping position When suicide running up to HAVs I seldom use cloak: When indoors When in the dark When engaging targets Valid uses, and some that I have used the cloak for. For my style i find... Cover to cover outdoors - I find Redjar limits exposure when traversing to cover, and gives me other advantages in the field. Crossing open terrain - definitely better for more direct routes, I tend to have to take the scenic route without cloaks. If motion where less visible I would be more inclined to use cloak. Climbing ladders - Yes. Sadly many ladders are on the shady side of structures. Evasion - I have to rely on Redjars and cover. Usually effective, unless I botched while I was in close, and then nothing really saves you Hacking - Cloak blind is the reason I don't use cloak for hacking. I like to see what is coming. While i do get picked off by scouts (unless running my Amarr) Sniping counter sniping - I could see that being useful. I tend to stay mobile when sniping so I will try this one out. When suicide running up to HAVs - This is actually the biggest reason I don't fit the cloak when going AV. Switch delay made this ineffective. Gave up using the cloak to get at them and my success rate went back up. Generally the extra fitting from cloak allows me to fit Redjars to compensate on my Minja. For Amarr/Cal the cloak blind is to detrimental to my precision and range. Gal scout is the only scout I use cloak on anymore, and I use mostly in the ways you described. MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 12	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:38:00 - [43463] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I do find it remarkable that very few Gal Scouts run rifles. If Shotguns were sidearms, you'd see lots of GalScouts running rifles. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley (for CPM2)
Llast 326 An Arkhos 8	Posted - 2015.08.11 23:39:00 - [43464] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I would like to hear your thoughts on how the Min and Gal Scouts compare to each other. Different suits for different settings. MinScout is way more fun. If you need to knife heavies or speed hack points, you want a MinScout. If the enemy has GalLogi, better off in a GalScout. If you need to scan other Scouts, better off in a GalScout. The MinScout is the better assassin if the enemy lets you get away with running it, or if your side has the substantially better team. In a tough or uphill fight, you're better off with a shotgun than knives, and you're better off shotgunning in a single damped GalScout than a double damped MinScout. Edit: which suit makes the better rifleman I do not know. Yup agree with this. Except Minja makes best terrorizer. But maybe that is because of my intent when using it As to riflemanGÇª I've run RR on CalscoutGÇª effective not optimal GalscoutGÇª I have a few AR fits, they work in many situations, but give me a city and I will run PLC or SG. MinjaGÇª hell no Knives out Breach Flaylock for backup. Amarr ScoutGÇª Undisputedly awesome with the SCR. Popping in and out using charge shots, Precision keeps me from getting snuck up on most of the time. I have health enough to handle counter fire, and a rep rate that keeps me in the fight (Fitting Reactive plates) SCR on Gal scout would be pretty damn effective as well. MOAR Ladders SpadeGÇª Remember your Warbarge
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 6	Posted - 2015.08.12 00:02:00 - [43465] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: I do find it remarkable that very few Gal Scouts run rifles. If Shotguns were sidearms, you'd see lots of GalScouts running rifles. Exactly. I run rifles sometimes with knives, but shotguns are superior on a galscout. Then i have my SG and BE AR fit. The Black Eagle Scout is the best scout. But I runnthe be ar on a regular scout with a shotty. Director of Vader's Fist
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 12	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:07:00 - [43466] - Quote Meanwhile, in the War Room Currently listening to: Tsukihime OST Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
Immortal John Ripper 28	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:09:00 - [43467] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meanwhile, in the War Room Lulz. One day I am going to be on survivor and I will kick ass.
General John Ripper 28	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:09:00 - [43468] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meanwhile, in the War Room Lulz. One day I am going to be on survivor and I will kick ass.
VAHZZ Vader's-Fist 6	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:31:00 - [43469] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Meanwhile, in the War Room Don't you mean the Operation Room? Director of Vader's Fist
xavier zor Abyss of Universe 2	Posted - 2015.08.12 01:43:00 - [43470] - Quote I made a wall of text guyz https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=211256&find=unread I own a wall of text



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