On another slightly related note - a lot of people have been talking about the old type IIs and second equipment slots being amazing. I feel the need to remind you all that the second equipment slot was at the expense of both speed and most importantly our sidearm slot. You won't be running around with uplinks and scanners with nova knives, are you? What about when you need to reload your shotgun and have no SMG to switch to?

Yes, it would be cool to have two equipment slots again but just remember that it's not going to be just like we are with an extra equipment slot; we will have to sacrifice something pretty significant for it.

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I guess we shall see...
I n the near, yet distant, future....

Popcorn anyone?

On another slightly related note - a lot of people have been talking about the old type IIs and second equipment slots being amazing. I feel the need to remind you all that the second equipment slot was at the expense of both speed* and most importantly our sidearm slot**. You won't be running around with uplinks and scanners with nova knives, are you? What about when you need to reload your shotgun and have no SMG to switch to?

Yes, it would be cool to have two equipment slots again but just remember that it's not going to be just like we are with an extra equipment slot; we will have to sacrifice something pretty significant for it.

dumb questionGǪ. what is the slot layout on the proto Min scout? Can't get in game and am curious

3 high, 2 low

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

As far as my idea goes, the reason I've posited it as such is because I think this is the most likely way it will be done, as it requires no extra things be added to the game to facilitate it. Active module slots sounds cool but it would mean every suit would need redesigning in terms of slots, CPU and PG. Cloaks being equipment fits with everything else currently in the game and makes the mechanics fit in well with not being able to shoot/use equipment whilst cloaked. I see no reason why equipment can't relate in some way to our suits' stats.

I still don't think it should be exclusive to scouts either but with the way I've described it, it will be next to useless for anyone other than scouts because we're the only ones that don't have to do anything extra to keep low enough profiles to avoid scans (both passive and active). It doesn't have to be actually exclusive to scouts (other suits will cry bloody murder) but this way we have something that realistically only we can do, so it's as good as exclusive to us.

lol, ouch. that's why it's yellow (gold) color display :p

Or maybe that's why the Atomic Symbol for gold is Au.

Aurum?

Unfortunately I'm starting to lean this way too, as I started looking at the range of active modules I had, I was thinking at how long this was going to take to implement (shotty also pointed that out too), so going with the "this is whats going to happen, so lets work with it" approach means that CCP won't have to spend another year on it, I'd like a good scout running before the ps4 transfer

That being the case, like you mentioned what if all the cloaking mod did was make your unit invisible, which would have the same invisibility as anybody else who would use it. And as you mentioned if your precision is higher than their signature they are visibly highlighted bright red on the ground as they are outlined by tacnet.

The cloak should also last as long as its maintained, the difference between scout and non scout though is that when non scouts cloak, they are entirely immobile, when scouts cloak they are allowed to walk at a slow pace.

The gal Scout has the low slots to be the best dampened scout and thus the best cloaking unit under this model, also the gal scout would be the best for non scout cloak detection due to its radius catching all those medium wannabes who aren't moving. So you got your gal scout cloaking shot gunner who can ruin medium frames day and a good support unit for being able to counter non scout cloaked units, which would be a role that pc players would find valuable.

It would also mean that the cal scout would be the best anti scout for spotting cloaked scouts, due to what should be a precision bonus and high slots, but more is still definitely needed for this scout though.

The Min scout should be designed around explosives particularly grenades, we can still slap on the knife bonus for nostalgia purposes, but the advantage of explosives is that you can get kills from non direct means which should serve the min once its speed picks up. Something like carries more grenades and tosses two grenades at a time, thus making it a very 1 vs many group smashing and effective AVer. Another innate trait could be explosion upon death.

The Amarr Scout is more of a mystery, because the amarr ways do not mesh well with the scout, so perhaps give this one an extra equipment slot over the other scouts and have it be the scout logi hybrid.

Let me know if this is acceptable and then we can come up with equipment ideas that would favor the scout more (I have a few already), we could then start working on slot layouts.

EVE Time: 2013.11.07 01:20
Playmode: Ambush

Decided to queue for a quick solo Ambush before dinner.
Entered match underway vs Nyain San pubstompers.

Knew I was in for an arse-kickin' so I ran my tankiest Scout fit:

Scout GK.0 (~112k isk)

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HS: Cmp Shield
LS: Enh Plates (x3), Cmp ArmRep
PW: K5 Specialist
SW: M209 Assault SMG
GR: Core Locus
EQ: A-19 Scanner

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Shields - 153
Armor - 512
Movement - 5.06 m/s
Sprint - 7.44 m/s

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Figured I'd play extra sneaky.

Flanked hostiles. Snuck up behind Call-Me Lipton.
Emptied entire clip of M209 into back of his head while moving into Shotgun range.
I'm dead before firing second shotgun blast.
His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate.

Flanked hostiles again. Snuck up behind Kaizuka Sniper.
Changed tactics. Cooked Core Locus. Hit him nice and perfect.
Moved in with Shotgun as he spun around trying to find me.
He spots me as I close in and fire first blast ... he jumps backwards.
I'm dead to Duvolle AR fire before he hits the ground.
His Duvolle AR and ridiculous HP were too much for me to assassinate.

Sometimes I hate this game.

A Scout does everything right, just to be boned by an increasingly easier EZ Mode.
I shouldn't have to armor tank my Scout to drop something I sneak up behind.
The fact that we currently have to is utter bullkittens.
The fact that I lost these two fights -- even after defiling my fit -- is disgusting.

This should never have happened. This "QQ" post should not exist:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=119859&find=unread

I agree that the equipment slot is a likely path for CCP to take. Another possibility down similar to this path is that rather than equipment the cloak takes up a weapon slot (which is more or less what happens in EVE). The if it is an active device you simply need to "Fire" it as you would your weapon and we still get our equipment slot as normal. Now in order to prevent every suit from running one it would need to take a Light weapon slot, not Sidearm. Assaults and Heavies could use but it is very unlikely many players would. Logis could certainly use it but they lose all weapons to do so. Scouts are quite capable killers with Sidearms only. The downside of course is you can't run a shotgun with a cloak, but it is a balance trade off.

"The lightweight Scout dropsuit is optimized for mobility, stealth, and heightened awareness. Augmented servo motors grant extra speed and flexibility, while friction- and impact-dampening materials reduce overall sound.

A scout dropsuit is the best option when missions call for speed and stealth. Equipped with stealth modules, the scout suit is the obvious choice for infiltration, counter-espionage, and assassination."
One day...

If I woulda known complex damage mods were this good they woulda been on my sg MONTHS AGO!
I strapped two on my crg an damn!

Here here!

I say to you all, Convert brothers and sisters!

For the scout and the heavy are not useful!

For the almighty Rifles are what we all need! Coupled with God's greatest love that is the Medium Frames!

Convert my Brothers and Sisters! For we shall finally be good once we do! For We shall finally see the light and live an EZ life after we do!

For nothing is greater in righteousness than that of an Assault + Rifle in the Eyes of the Holy Developers!

For nothing is greater than the Holy Developers' Greatest gift that is AA with his bride, Automatic No Recoil/Dispersion Rifles!!!!!

They welcome us to convert with this week! And I say do SO!



So yeah I'm skilling into amarr assault. I should have proto in 2 weeks I hope. The triple sp should get me to around lv3-4 :D

Here here!

I say to you all, Convert brothers and sisters!

For the scout and the heavy are not useful!

For the almighty Rifles are what we all need! Coupled with God's greatest love that is the Medium Frames!

Convert my Brothers and Sisters! For we shall finally be good once we do! For We shall finally see the light and live an EZ life after we do!

For nothing is greater in righteousness than that of an Assault + Rifle in the Eyes of the Holy Developers!

For nothing is greater than the Holy Developers' Greatest gift that is AA with his bride, Automatic No Recoil/Dispersion Rifles!!!!!

They welcome us to convert with this week! And I say do SO!



So yeah I'm skilling into amarr assault. I should have proto in 2 weeks I hope. The triple sp should get me to around lv3-4 :D

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I'm not the only one unfortunately!

That option has been discussed and is my favorite simple solution, because you can then have scouts with one light weapon slot and two sidearm slots, and a two light weapon slot light frame/scout that would be interesting, it would also help commandos who should also have better stealth for what they give up.

Barring that I think the immobility penalty for non scout suits would work assuming CCP is going with the equipment option, though planning this would be a lot easier if we just knew what CCP was doing so we can work with it.

It might not be a bad idea to have start a new thread specifically about cloaks as equipment vs light weapon slot, as it would allow us to escape our scout bro echo chambers we have here, I might even do that now and see how much I get thrashed or ignored on the boards.

Also thanks for commenting