lol, ouch. that's why it's yellow (gold) color display :p

1.5, launch day - Devs responded to feedback/concerns left and right, day and night.
1.6, launch day - Mintchip has responded to "Are you a girl" thread? She said "yes".

Does anyone else like the Breach Submachine guns? Man, they send ppl scurrying. It's very easy to hit targets, it saves ammo too. I'm liking it. I hope you guys use them too for a change of pace.

Rehnquist offers a solid Scout writeup, slaps Tourist:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1468342

They're sitting around like Karl Rove, trying to figure out how the hell things went so wrong. Seems like every patch breaks something and the next one is a fix to the one before it.

I already have a lot written up in word, in fact I have two variations of each pending on what direction its going to go, but I need some input from you guys on one basic aspect, I was torn by having something effective but more radical vs trying to keep it simple so CCP would actually do it, but I need your guy's opinion on this, I'll take a snippet of the issue at hand of what I was writting.

***Preliminary Note***
While I think cloaking should be active module based and scout exclusive, CCP is most likely going to make cloaking an equipment piece which any suit can use, and if it is equipment, suit stats like profile sig (like how suit precision does has no relations with active scanners) mean nothing because itGÇÖs the item that is activating and not the suit, which is stupid because it renders the few positive scout stats even more useless. Thus the scoutGÇÖs salvation is going to be non equipment related and should take on the form of active module abilities (special scout mid slots). While I have one scout planned for a second equipment slot (support-ama), the second equipment slot is not what is going to save it especially considering that the equipment king is also the cpu/pg king and equipment does not discriminate or go base off of suit stats, the support scout would still have mid slots.
***End Note***

Essentially given a scout exclusive item with access to a special group of modules means that these abilities can then be based off of scout suit's stats, it also means that these functions could not be "done better by a medium frame" because they couldn't do them to begin with to be compared with, and harmful EWAR could thrive and be scout exclusive under this model.

The only problem is I don't think CCP is looking to invest that much into scouts, and an equipment based model (adding a second equipment slot) is just going to propel the logi, because......

logi survivability + 3 equipment slots + Largest CPU/PG pool

Does not equal

Scout Insta Death + 2 equipment slots + smallest CPU/PG

and as mentioned before equipment has nothing to due with suit stats beyond CPU/PG, so unless scouts are getting more cpu/pg than logis (not happening), equipment solutions are going to backfire for increasing scout utility

Essentially, I'm just seeing if your thoughts are on the active module system aka mid slots, and then I'll edit what I have to work with peoples thoughts on it..

Essentially, I'm just seeing if your thoughts are on the active module system aka mid slots, and then I'll edit what I have to work with peoples thoughts on it..

It is a bit more complicated and we have to be carefull not making the scouts overpowered.

Comparing the pro gallente logi with a pro scout give the scout abilities matching the following bonuses in comparable modules:
597 CPU and 32 power

The logi gets below compared to the prot scout:
equip bonus depending on equipment added. My own pro logi saves 52 cpu and 10 power
125 cpu 25 power

In total above bonuses added to the prot suits cpu and power:
Scout 92 kW and 847gF
Logi 103 kW and 534gF

The scout have +300 CPU compared to the proto logi. The scout has higher move speed, sidearm and smaller hitbox. The logi gets lots of module slots and equipment slots for greate versatility but will never be able to become as good at scouting as the scout.

The scout bonuses is not that far off from the gal logi all considered. The gal logi would have to equip the following to match most of the scout charectistics:
4 complex shiled rechargers
1 complex shield regulator
1 complex kinetic catalyser
1 basic kinetic catalyzer
1 basic cardiac regulator
1 basic precission enhancer
1 complex profile dampener
1 basic profile dampener
3 complex range amplifiers

That is allot of modules requiring more CPU than the logi have available. How much higher bonus does the scout need compared to the logi?

Should the scout be able to match the assault in number of kills? We need more urban maps as not all maps are suited for the scout, the same goes for any of the specialty roles, compared the general assault AR infantry.

The scout can quickly become a target of qq if they can run around one hit killing everyone with shotguns and nova knives. The assault should really be the bast at combat and only loose when surprised by a scout using his stealthy advantage. I remember the times when scouts where impossible to hit and on hit killed my prot heavy with shotguns at 15m distance.

Does anyone else like the Breach Submachine guns? Man, they send ppl scurrying. It's very easy to hit targets, it saves ammo too. I'm liking it. I hope you guys use them too for a change of pace.

I like your post, but wanted to comment.

On paper, the scout does have a lot of attributes that seem advantageous when compared to other suits, however given the marginal usefullness of these abilities in-game, there seems like little risk of the scout being OP with cloaking.

For instance:

shields: yes, recharge and delay is good. But total shield amount is drastically lower than the values of other suits. I think that overall shield values would need to be way higher to risk the delay/recharge rate being OP.

speed: as it stands, speed seems to provide no benefit to scout survivability

stamina: the assault amarr has the same stamina value. Evenso, current stamina doesn't seem unreasonable when compared to the values of some of the lower-stamina value suits.

Dampening/Precision/Range: these provide minimal benefit given that installations provide much better situational awareness when defending these areas. Active scanners are also very effective as results are shared, range is longer, precision is better....

I agree that if some of these attributes had a bigger game impact, futher refinements would need to be small in order to keep the scout balanced.... but now, seems we don't have to worry too much about being OP if cloaks are added (and done right), or other things are tweaked....

We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know.

WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can!

Did anyone else notice that Scouts got 16m Scan Range, but all Light Frames got 20m Scan Range?

Why is the Light Frame better than a specialized Scout?

Did anyone else notice that Scouts got 16m Scan Range, but all Light Frames got 20m Scan Range?

Why is the Light Frame better than a specialized Scout?

Did anyone else notice that Scouts got 16m Scan Range, but all Light Frames got 20m Scan Range?

Why is the Light Frame better than a specialized Scout?

Submitted bug ticket. No response yet. Might just be another "description" error.

I just realize i need level 5 in Dampening, precision and range. lets see if this helps

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Profile Dampening - Anything beyond Level 3 yields no return.
Scan Precision - Anything beyond Level 3 yields no return.
Long-Range Scanning - Definitely worth investment, provided you've skilled up higher priority items.

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Profile Dampening - Anything beyond Level 3 yields no return.
Scan Precision - Anything beyond Level 3 yields no return.
Long-Range Scanning - Definitely worth investment, provided you've skilled up higher priority items.

Actually Damp over 3 yield a huge return if you are running Basic Light Frame, which right now is a better option with the higher scan radius. Yep even the basic can scout better than the scout

Gal scouts still have a slight advantage in scan range as long as you have either LVL5 Gal Scout and LVL3 Range Extension, LVL3 Gal Scout and LVL5 Range Extension, or 4 in both.

Personally I like the idea of making cloaking an active module based ability, as opposed to equipment. I think that other suits will have a lot of complaints if they can't cloak, but having cloaking as a scout-only ability seems appropriate to me, provided it is done correctly and isn't OP.

Personally, I'd go with this even though it is a more complex concept that CCP would be less likely to implement. It seems like a better idea to me.