They're sitting around like Karl Rove, trying to figure out how the hell things went so wrong. Seems like every patch breaks something and the next one is a fix to the one before it.

I already have a lot written up in word, in fact I have two variations of each pending on what direction its going to go, but I need some input from you guys on one basic aspect, I was torn by having something effective but more radical vs trying to keep it simple so CCP would actually do it, but I need your guy's opinion on this, I'll take a snippet of the issue at hand of what I was writting.

***Preliminary Note***
While I think cloaking should be active module based and scout exclusive, CCP is most likely going to make cloaking an equipment piece which any suit can use, and if it is equipment, suit stats like profile sig (like how suit precision does has no relations with active scanners) mean nothing because itGÇÖs the item that is activating and not the suit, which is stupid because it renders the few positive scout stats even more useless. Thus the scoutGÇÖs salvation is going to be non equipment related and should take on the form of active module abilities (special scout mid slots). While I have one scout planned for a second equipment slot (support-ama), the second equipment slot is not what is going to save it especially considering that the equipment king is also the cpu/pg king and equipment does not discriminate or go base off of suit stats, the support scout would still have mid slots.
***End Note***

Essentially given a scout exclusive item with access to a special group of modules means that these abilities can then be based off of scout suit's stats, it also means that these functions could not be "done better by a medium frame" because they couldn't do them to begin with to be compared with, and harmful EWAR could thrive and be scout exclusive under this model.

The only problem is I don't think CCP is looking to invest that much into scouts, and an equipment based model (adding a second equipment slot) is just going to propel the logi, because......

logi survivability + 3 equipment slots + Largest CPU/PG pool

Does not equal

Scout Insta Death + 2 equipment slots + smallest CPU/PG

and as mentioned before equipment has nothing to due with suit stats beyond CPU/PG, so unless scouts are getting more cpu/pg than logis (not happening), equipment solutions are going to backfire for increasing scout utility

Essentially, I'm just seeing if your thoughts are on the active module system aka mid slots, and then I'll edit what I have to work with peoples thoughts on it..

I like your post, but wanted to comment.

On paper, the scout does have a lot of attributes that seem advantageous when compared to other suits, however given the marginal usefullness of these abilities in-game, there seems like little risk of the scout being OP with cloaking.

For instance:

shields: yes, recharge and delay is good. But total shield amount is drastically lower than the values of other suits. I think that overall shield values would need to be way higher to risk the delay/recharge rate being OP.

speed: as it stands, speed seems to provide no benefit to scout survivability

stamina: the assault amarr has the same stamina value. Evenso, current stamina doesn't seem unreasonable when compared to the values of some of the lower-stamina value suits.

Dampening/Precision/Range: these provide minimal benefit given that installations provide much better situational awareness when defending these areas. Active scanners are also very effective as results are shared, range is longer, precision is better....

I agree that if some of these attributes had a bigger game impact, futher refinements would need to be small in order to keep the scout balanced.... but now, seems we don't have to worry too much about being OP if cloaks are added (and done right), or other things are tweaked....

Does anyone else think that the whole Black Eagle event is centered around CCP collecting data on how underwhelming the scout class is?

Stay off the A. scans and use damps and red. That works wonders for me.


Two words: Quafe squads. Anyone?

Rack those kills so we can run together, I asked cyrious if he would like to record us in our pimp suits.

I imagine it as working closely together and not doing too much risky things. We only pull them out when a match is "nooby", stack armor and shield so you don't die. And we will each carry repping stuff/needle case we need it. Or we can have one pro logi supporting us.

You can't protostomp in a scout suit.
- mr musturd

When the new maps came out, I immediately got proto scrambler rifle, using the charge shot to replace my sniper rifle.
The single shot is really good for the high end of "mid" range combat. I like my templar scrambler rifle on my dragonfly scout

On the mini-assault gk.0 I use the Carthum with 1 damage mod. and a viziam pistol. great results, usually surprised if I get less than 20 kills in an OMS or die more than once

It sucks - but is fully understandable - that Shotty's decided to close the killboard. It also sucks that there were no scout hugs in 1.7 - although I was pretty sure they wouldn't come until all scout suits are released anyway.

I'm hellbent on not letting it get to me, though. I've chosen to be a scout precisely because it's hard to play. I enjoy having to stay on edge all the time. Not that I don't think we should get some buffs beyond a token scan range increase, mind you. I also enjoy using something out of the ordinary. ARs and medium suits make me yaaaaawn.

I've been a full time scout since a couple of weeks into the open beta. I fiddled around with a logi for two weeks, got bored, tried the various roles accessible to me and promptly fell in love with the fast pace and high risk. I sucked at it, but built up some decent skills in the weeks leading up to Uprising 1.0. Then results were poor again for a while as I got used to the newly nerfed - and subsequently re-nerfed - scout suit. For the past two months I've been doing quite well for the most part. Not proto-logi-duvolle-AR well, but typically a match KDR of 2-5, killboard placement 6th or better.

I was worried most of my success could be attributed to my using the scrambler rifle as my main weapon, which, of course, is very powerful. Besides, since everyone and their cousins have started using them now, they've lost a bit of their shine. So, I've recently taken up SMG + NK + Remotes for city maps and other areas with decent cover. I already have a lot of SP invested in SMGs, but NK is at advanced, remotes at level 1. This took a bit of adjustment, but I'm doing pretty well. I generally post the same amount of kills as I do with the ScR, die a couple of times more than I'm used to. Plus it's damned fun.

Aaaaanyway, I'm rambling, so:

TL;DR: I refuse to give up. I'm a stubborn bastard, and the lack of scout hugs makes me all the more motivated to find ways to outsmart medium frames and ARs. Whenever the scout hugs do arrive, I'll be a ninja assassin monster

EDIT: I'm all for organizing a protest. Mass suiciding out of the MCC in cheap scout fittings or mass petitioning with an agreed upon, polite text are my two favorite suggestions.

Dont base suits on pubmatches.

The Scout suit is the worst type of suit in the game. Even Commando's are better at this point.

We scouts should all be celebrating in pure merriment. Isn't the latest patch just great, We can only look up for now on. Why you ask? Well it couldn't get any more F***ing worse for now for us.
Once your on the bottom of the heap there's only one way to go and that is up my friends, it can't get any worse or can it?

You new around here brother? Im a scout and a dam'd good one at that. Im just saying, scouts are the weakest suits in the game by far.

using the logi wrong if you cant get more WPs with it. On a good day I can grab 4 - 5k WPs on an ADV logi, bad games I still get 1.5k - 2k

Hi peeps! Got a new job that's taking up a lot more of my time, so I'm unable to play much lately and still haven't managed to get a game in since the update. Been logging in for my daily bonuses and reading the forums though and like some of what I'm hearing, especially toned down AA, though my swarms will be sad.

Thing is, I reckon I've gotten my scout to where I want it and can't see anything else worth skilling into with all this passive I've been hoarding. Any ideas would be welcome - here are roughly my current skills:
Gal scout 5
Sidearms 5
Scrambler Pistol prof 5
SMG prof 4
SMG sharpshooter 4
SMG rapid reload 2
Light weapons 3
Swarm Launcher 3
Explosives 5
REs 1
Grenades 2
All core suit skills 5
Armor plates 3
Armor repairers 5
Shield extenders 1
Electronics 5
Engineering 4
Active Scanners 1
Dampening 3
Scan Range 5
Kinetic Catalyzers 5
Hacking 5
Nanotech 2

The only significant scouty thing I seem to be missing is Card Regs but I only use pills in PC for the quick dash to the enemy home objective at the start and for anything less than 7-800m it's almost always better (or negligibly close) to use only kinkats. Otherwise I was considering skilling up my REs more but I only have space on my proto suits to fit anything more than STD and again only run proto in PC.

I won't be going to any other weapons and tanking shield or plates is not my thing - so what would anyone suggest? Maybe I should just save up to skill into cloaks when they eventually get here?

Armor plates 5, to use complex ferro scale plates and avoid the higher armor penalties in 1.7?

Nanotech 5, it reduces the PG/CPU used for equipped nanohives

Precision 5, to equip complex precision modules and passively detect medium frames with one equipped complex dampener

Droplink 3, to place droplinks strategically, especially useful in the bigger skirmish matches in FW

Active scanners 3(5), to be able to use the new improved scanners from the Gallente loyality store.

A light weapon, ie. the Gallente AR for longer range encounters which is unavoidable in many of the more open maps? The tactical is still useable.

Shield extenders 5, one complex extender and the scouts high shield regen is in my opinion very usefull, as long as I can avoid the new rail rifles which instant vaporize my scout.