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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:27:00 -
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Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3181
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:27:00 -
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Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9225
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:34:00 -
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Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Spademan
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:37:00 -
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You got three responses to your Skin question
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9757
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:38:00 -
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Look at the post above Dreis'
I beat him by a full minute!
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:41:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:Look at the post above Dreis' I beat him by a full minute!
And Arkena beat you both! That's what I get for reading in the wrong direction ... lol
(thank you, gents!)
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:45:00 -
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Aeon's being a massive d!ck again...
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2742756#post2742756
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2742750#post2742750
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9670
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Posted - 2015.04.26 16:47:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Lol
EDIT: Nah but for realsies brah I don't recognize your name, what do you do for the communtiy? Like, real talk.
Running for CPM was a mistake if only because I'm the only one who let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3188
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:02:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: EDIT: Nah but for realsies brah I don't recognize your name, what do you do for the communtiy?
Just because you don't recognise my name, doesn't mean my points are any less valid. Or do you only value the opinions of other neckbeards?
And FYI, I've creating a thriving community in my channel, Nova Knifers United, where players with similar playstyles can discuss balance issues with their class. Before my creation of this channel, Nova Knifers had no designated place to get together and talk. Sure, there was Scouts United, but that wasn't Nova Knifer exclusive.
That's what I've done for the community. It may not have been as much as you've done, but it doesn't make my points any less valid.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Spademan
6390
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:04:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: LolEDIT: Nah but for realsies brah I don't recognize your name, what do you do for the communtiy? Like, real talk.
My only guff with you at the moment is you borked up a phrase.
"I couldn't care less"
Leaving out the "n't" means you do care at least a little.
What're you looking at me like that for? I'll shank you I will.
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9678
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:08:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: EDIT: Nah but for realsies brah I don't recognize your name, what do you do for the communtiy? Just because you don't recognise my name, doesn't mean my points are any less valid. Or do you only value the opinions of other neckbeards? And FYI, I've creating a thriving community in my channel, Nova Knifers United, where players with similar playstyles can discuss balance issues with their class. Before my creation of this channel, Nova Knifers had no designated place to get together and talk. Sure, there was Scouts United, but that wasn't Nova Knifer exclusive. That's what I've done for the community. It may not have been as much as you've done, but it doesn't make my points any less valid.
Okay, cool, so you -actually do things-
So do I.
So why act like any of my points aren't valid if you're going to use that as a defense whenever I call you out, yo? Cause I've actually done a -lot- of **** for this community despite the constant trash talk they throw my way and I just figure I'd give you a little real talk and let you know what it's like, yo, cause it's not cool. You get what I'm saying or is this just going to continue to be a mindless flame war where you and I go back and forth with a bunch of trolling?
Because I am -TOTES- down to continue this immature BS if you are, dude, just lemme know ahead of time so I can get my notes out and what not because I'm a little rusty on bringing people down. Like, I will -totes- go that way if you want to bro.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3188
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:21:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Okay, cool, so you -actually do things-
So do I.
So why act like any of my points aren't valid if you're going to use that as a defense whenever I call you out, yo? Cause I've actually done a -lot- of **** for this community despite the constant trash talk they throw my way and I just figure I'd give you a little real talk and let you know what it's like, yo, cause it's not cool. You get what I'm saying or is this just going to continue to be a mindless flame war where you and I go back and forth with a bunch of trolling?
I wasn't the one who started talking about 'relevance'.
My issue is the way you behave to other forum-goers, who didn't do anything to deserve your ire.
I appreciate the work you do for the community, Aeon, but I don't like the way you behave to people. I don't mean this in a condescending way.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Aeon Amadi
Ahrendee Inc.
Negative-Feedback
9686
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:38:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Okay, cool, so you -actually do things-
So do I.
So why act like any of my points aren't valid if you're going to use that as a defense whenever I call you out, yo? Cause I've actually done a -lot- of **** for this community despite the constant trash talk they throw my way and I just figure I'd give you a little real talk and let you know what it's like, yo, cause it's not cool. You get what I'm saying or is this just going to continue to be a mindless flame war where you and I go back and forth with a bunch of trolling? I wasn't the one who started talking about 'relevance'. My issue is the way you behave to other forum-goers, who didn't do anything to deserve your ire. I appreciate the work you do for the community, Aeon, but I don't like the way you behave to people. I don't mean this in a condescending way.
I don't appreciate people constantly bringing up BS in a condescending way, because yeah - it is condescending. Like, for real, who are you to judge me, yo? At least I -did- run for the CPM. No-one cares whether or not I appreciate them talking mad trash on every little thing I say, holding me up to some higher standard than everyone else, so why should I care how they feel about my behavior?
You think I honestly get some kind of sick pleasure out of constantly being chewed on by a bunch of nobodies who are going to contradict my opinions and views, no matter how civil, just because of this BS reputation I have attached to my name? **** gets old -quick- and eventually I quit caring about how everyone else feels because they quit caring how -I- felt a long time ago.
Give me one good reason why I should -at all- be concerned with whether or not you like the way I behave to people, bearing that in mind. Give me -one- good reason and I'll make an effort to better myself, you have my word.
Until then, I don't care. I'll respect their views when they respect mine.
You guys are like a broken record with this "CPM material" business xD Let it go
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Immortal John Ripper
27410
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:41:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Okay, cool, so you -actually do things-
So do I.
So why act like any of my points aren't valid if you're going to use that as a defense whenever I call you out, yo? Cause I've actually done a -lot- of **** for this community despite the constant trash talk they throw my way and I just figure I'd give you a little real talk and let you know what it's like, yo, cause it's not cool. You get what I'm saying or is this just going to continue to be a mindless flame war where you and I go back and forth with a bunch of trolling? I wasn't the one who started talking about 'relevance'. My issue is the way you behave to other forum-goers, who didn't do anything to deserve your ire. I appreciate the work you do for the community, Aeon, but I don't like the way you behave to people. I don't mean this in a condescending way.
I never had a problem with dries, aeon, or anybody.
Or maybe I just don't take internet posting seriously enough?
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23503
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:46:00 -
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potato
Gallente Guide
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
23503
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Posted - 2015.04.26 17:47:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
And FYI, I've creating a thriving community in my channel, Nova Knifers United, where players with similar playstyles can discuss balance issues with their class. Before my creation of this channel, Nova Knifers had no designated place to get together and talk. Sure, there was Scouts United, but that wasn't Nova Knifer exclusive.
...
The last squad I got from there was Minassaults with CRs. xD
potato
Gallente Guide
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3191
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:19:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
And FYI, I've creating a thriving community in my channel, Nova Knifers United, where players with similar playstyles can discuss balance issues with their class. Before my creation of this channel, Nova Knifers had no designated place to get together and talk. Sure, there was Scouts United, but that wasn't Nova Knifer exclusive.
... The last squad I got from there was Minassaults with CRs. xD
I ditched it already!!!
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9769
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:35:00 -
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Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote:
Personally, I read it as apathetic.
Which can sometimes be misinterpreted.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9769
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:37:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: S'why I made that post is because One Eyed King -always- tries to downplay **** and I just don't even care to read what he has to say anymore because of it. .
If you remember, I was very supportive of your Assault Conglomerate when you tried getting that together.
If you wish to pick and choose, that is fine. Your prerogative.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9769
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Posted - 2015.04.26 18:38:00 -
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Your post confuses me.
TPLAK
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
744
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:25:00 -
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*Walks in, dodges flaming bar stool, sits at bar, starts spinning knife in a pensive fashion.
I'll have a jar of "Old Red". Laying off this new "Blue" until they perfect the brewing process.
So, looks like things have got pretty rough in here lately.
It's great to see logis with their own version of this place. I enjoyed reading what I have of it. I'm not too sure it's the best place for us to go advocating logi nerfs, but at least no wars have been started.
So, in amongst the brawls with various guests, I've been reading most of the recent discussions about EWAR. I've been meaning to post about it, but I struggle to sort out my thoughts on it coherently. It's a complex issue.
I'm inclined to feel that EWAR is in a pretty good state at the moment, all things considered. It certainly could be, and has been in the past, a lot worse. So I'm a little concerned to see some people claim it is "broken". That's not to say things can't be improved.
Apidem has been experimenting and posting about passive scans, logis and the Amarr scout. I don't believe a passive scanning logi or a passive scanning scout compete for the same "recon" role. Atleast, if that role involves sitting with you squad and providing a sort of mobile radar around you squad, a logi is more suited to this, and so they should be. Sitting in a squad as a passive scanner isn't something that would be good for a scout to do. Scouts are about movement and operating behind enemy lines. Not defensively sitting back surrounded by heavies. I believe these two suits have fundamentally different roles so don't overlap with each other.
There's also the issue of who you are scanning. A logi can passively scan a wide area and pick up higher profile targets, but they can't get the precision to detect scouts, unlike the Amarr scout. The Amarr scout on the other hand, can use relatively short range scans to detect scouts. This is more of the hunter role that Cat Merc has been talking about.
As far as logis go, active scanning is better than passive. But I don't see a problem here really (except for maybe the precision of Gal logi scans, but that's another issue). Logi passive scans can still be useful to them and they don't really cause problems for scouts, other than the inner ring (again, kind of another issue). Meanwhile, active scans have an important place in battle, and personally I think it's great that Gal logis are dearly sort after in PC.
Now, the current wisdom appears to be that Amarr scouts just aren't very good at passive scanning. Either in an anti-scout, hunter role, or a general scout role. I can't really argue with this as I have never used an Amarr scout. I will say that I have been using a Gal scout to point rush at the start of PCs. This I have fitted with precision mods. I can generally pick up scouts with this fit, as at the start of battle scouts are fitted with Kincats rather than dampeners. The 15m scans do seem to give me the edge verses other scouts, unless they also pick me up.
So, range amps. If they were buffed, without affecting the inner scan ring, I don't believe logis would be overpowered vs scouts, they can't get the precision. Their passive scanning role would be different to a scout's passive scanning role, so there isn't an issue with logis being better scouts. Scouts do fundamentally different things. Whether buffing amps would make logi passives op vs med suits, I don't know. I even feel it might make Amarr scout's OP in the role of scout hunter. I think we need opinions from people who have run precision modded Amarr scouts in the current build. Think about it this way, the prevailing profile meta is below 21 db. Gal and Cal scouts generally are on 20dp with 1 damp. Min scouts are on 18db with two mods. An Amarr scout could pick up either of these at 15m. That's far enough to get the jump on them, or line up a scrambler shot in the back. Maybe I'm mad.
So, despite this, I'm starting to think it would just be better to change the Amarr bonus to biotics efficiency. Great idea! But I don't think Amarr scouts are terrible now.
Inner scan ring:
I think my feelings on this are somewhere between, feeling it's a pointless addition that only serves to frustrate those trying to perform the difficult art of knifing, and an interesting mechanic that adds another layer of depth and skill for both the hunter and prey.
Active scans:
Hmmmmmmmmmm...... I don't know. As a Min scout I'd love for the Gal logi bonus to be changed. But also I'm worried things might break.
By the way, I'm very glad the meta has settled back to a point where scouts are neither scanned, generally, nor are they OP. Can all the people who keep lobbying for scanning scouts as the only way to combat them (people outside the shop, obviously) please take note of this fact and finally accept what I have been saying for a year. You are meant to combat scouts without scanning them, thanks.
So yeah, the Gal logi bonus. Would the removal of the precision bonus make Min scouts OP compared to the other scouts? It might. They seem reasonably balanced right now, maybe a little UP, such a shift might push them above Gal scouts.
The main reason I can see for the change would be for assaults. Many claim that 3 damps is unreasonable for them to be undetected. But then I worry assaults would be too powerful, and they would displace scout much more than they do now. In PC there seems to be a reasonable scout / assault balance. If it's too easy for assaults to dampen why would we need scouts? If my Min scout can (just about) handle PC with 2 damps, then an 8 slot assault should be able to cope with 3 damps.
Focussed scanners. Completely forgot they only share with squads. Is this confirmed somewhere? Even more reason why I'm not too worried by them. After much thought I think it's a nice trick of the Gal scout being the only suit able to hide from them without a cloak.
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noob cavman
Fatal Absolution
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:38:00 -
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Ark!
ARK!
Some one be posting a real lengthy post!
you have a brother in arm's ya brummie!
I want to be a caveman!
psn: marko_blues
Gö+GöüGö+ n+¦pâ+(`-ö´)n+ën+¦ Gö+GöüGö+
Full steam ahead into the enemies booty yarrr.
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
2061
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:38:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:*Walks in, dodges flaming bar stool, sits at bar, starts spinning knife in a pensive fashion.
I'll have a jar of "Old Red". Laying off this new "Blue" until they perfect the brewing process.
Red is for knifers.
Blue is for MD/PLC'ers
and avant-garde uplinkers, i suppose
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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
9779
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:43:00 -
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@ Varoth
I think you bring up some great points.
Usually, when we have talked of active scanner problems, we have often been referring to the Gal Logi/Focused scanners you mentioned. It would probably help if we were always more clear about that.
I think your point about there not being a problem with a logi passive scanner would be alright if it didn't overlap so much with the Amarr bonuses, and I do think that a change for them to have biotics makes the most sense. The range amp nerf just hit them too hard.
I also wish there was a way to either make inner circles a hard number, or to make range amps only affect the medium and outer circles, but I don't recall if that is feasible or not.
With regards to Assaults, I think we have two problems. One is the EWAR, the other is the mobility/HP in combination. At this point I am indifferent towards which CCP should hopefully decide to adjust, so long as they aren't both adjusted concurrently.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
9229
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Posted - 2015.04.26 19:57:00 -
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"Old Red"
+1. 
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
2062
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:11:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:
I also wish there was a way to either make inner circles a hard number, or to make range amps only affect the medium and outer circles,
SHUSH, YOU!!
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
3194
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:58:00 -
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I have a higher weekly K/D than Kaizuka Sniper. 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Dreis ShadowWeaver
0uter.Heaven
Back and Forth
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Posted - 2015.04.26 20:58:00 -
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\o/ 0.H vs ToP in 1 hour, very excited! 
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
Day 10/30 exclusively Minja
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Varoth Drac
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
749
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:31:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:@ Varoth
I think you bring up some great points.
Usually, when we have talked of active scanner problems, we have often been referring to the Gal Logi/Focused scanners you mentioned. It would probably help if we were always more clear about that.
I think your point about there not being a problem with a logi passive scanner would be alright if it didn't overlap so much with the Amarr bonuses, and I do think that a change for them to have biotics makes the most sense. The range amp nerf just hit them too hard.
I also wish there was a way to either make inner circles a hard number, or to make range amps only affect the medium and outer circles, but I don't recall if that is feasible or not.
With regards to Assaults, I think we have two problems. One is the EWAR, the other is the mobility/HP in combination. At this point I am indifferent towards which CCP should hopefully decide to adjust, so long as they aren't both adjusted concurrently.
I'm not convinced focused scans are a problem. Especially as they are squad only. If people feel they can't run their scout suits because they are always being scanned, then I've yet to hear about it. Extreme focused scanning use, to specifically counter all but the most damped scouts, is fine as long as people feel it's enough of a sacrifice to prevent the tactic being used often.
If the majority of PCs have widespread focused scanner use, so only Gal scouts with 3 damps are viable, then it's a problem. I don't believe we are at that point.
Regarding assaults, I think they are mostly ok. Minmatar assaults probably have too much of a good combination of speed, hp and stamina. I like the stats that have been pointed out about their hp being too high. Perhaps also they could have their PG reduced so that, like Min scouts, they are balanced by difficult fitting constraints.
I feel there is room in the balance for reduced cloak shimmer. Also theres the issue of high slot codebreakers. I still think they would be great for Min scouts, but I understand people's objection to it.
I think range amps may have to stay terrible if we can't fix the inner ring problem. Yay for biotics Amarr! Just bear in mind last time it was mentioned, people outside the barbershop were against it. |
J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.04.26 21:33:00 -
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In other news, on the way back from a friends this morning...it rained like a mofo on me. Blue skies, sun beaming down, birds just singing away, then turn a corner and the skies opened up. Rain rain and more rain.
When I finally got home, it stopped raining. X(
Edit: XD I have one of the highest fun ratios in the game.
The ButtPirates Now Accepting Applications. XD
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