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Adipem Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:45:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Proposal v2 - Scout Racial Bonuses
CA - Base Range (+10%), Cloak Efficacy (10% less cloakblind)
GA - Base Range (+05%), Scanner Efficacy (10% faster cooldown)
AM - Base Stamina (+10%), Biotic Efficacy (+5%)
MN - Base Hacks, Knife Efficacy (no change)
Thoughts? Preferred the first set. The cloak fitting bonus to scouts has got to go. It's such a bad mechanic. Really dislike the GA bonuses. Thinking more on it I don't want to be forced into a set piece of equipment like the gal logi was. Yes I know I suggested uplink bonuses. Also don't love the cal bonuses.
Thanks! Already onto the 3rd set :-)
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2688094#post2688094
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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J0LLY R0G3R
And the ButtPirates
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:45:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:I'd be pretty fn happy honestly. In your honest estimation, would +15% RoF be broken?
Any clue as to what the old sg prof gave you percentage wise?
1st to admit I'm not great with exact numbers, just what feels good
No Safety Net.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 15:46:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:J0LLY R0G3R wrote:I'd be pretty fn happy honestly. In your honest estimation, would +15% RoF be broken? Any clue as to what the old sg prof gave you percentage wise? 1st to admit I'm not great with exact numbers, just what feels good
Pretty sure it was 3% per level. Exactly the same as what we're proposing here.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:14:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:The cloak fitting bonus to scouts has got to go. It's such a bad mechanic.
Not quite ready to give up on cloak just yet. It perfectly complements stealth play in concept; just needs a little polish.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:23:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:The cloak fitting bonus to scouts has got to go. It's such a bad mechanic. Not quite ready yet to give up on cloak. It complements stealth play perfectly in concept; just needs a little polish.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:28:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:The cloak fitting bonus to scouts has got to go. It's such a bad mechanic. Not quite ready yet to give up on cloak. It complements stealth play perfectly in concept; just needs a little polish. What do you have in mind?
Hoping for reduced shimmer down the road, but hope is not a sound strategy. 
The goal today is to work with what we have and know.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Ares 514 wrote:The cloak fitting bonus to scouts has got to go. It's such a bad mechanic. Not quite ready yet to give up on cloak. It complements stealth play perfectly in concept; just needs a little polish. What do you have in mind? Hoping for reduced shimmer down the road, but hope is not a sound strategy. The goal today is to work with what we have and know.
Which would probably take ALOT of code to fix. I took programming in college. Just to make java or c++ say something requires a few lines of code. Imagine what a game would be like -_-. Kinda sucks that cloaks don't really work well, I usually don't run them because its easy to spot us. A lot of our map have more dark spots than light, makes cloaking a lot more difficult. |
Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:43:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
[Shimmer] would probably take ALOT of code to fix. I took programming in college. Just to make java or c++ say something requires a few lines of code. Imagine what a game would be like -_-. Kinda sucks that cloaks don't really work well, I usually don't run them because its easy to spot us. A lot of our map have more dark spots than light, makes cloaking a lot more difficult.
We don't know that. The field might have been designed with a adjustable parameters. This would've made QA much easier. Too much this or too little of that? Tweak an integer in a database table and retry.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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FLAYLOCK Steve
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:50:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
[Shimmer] would probably take ALOT of code to fix. I took programming in college. Just to make java or c++ say something requires a few lines of code. Imagine what a game would be like -_-. Kinda sucks that cloaks don't really work well, I usually don't run them because its easy to spot us. A lot of our map have more dark spots than light, makes cloaking a lot more difficult.
We don't know that. The field might have been designed with a adjustable parameters. This would've made QA much easier. Too much this or too little of that? Tweak an integer in a database table and retry.
True, you got a point there. What if the shimmer was fixed, I bet we would see a lot more nerf scout threads. I usually go against them because a lot of the people who want us nerfed don't even understand our play style. Our play style is a lot harder than just point and click/ Now with assaults being almost as fast us too yet somehow we're still viewed as OP........ sad. |
Dreis Shadowweaver
Ahrendee Inc.
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Posted - 2015.03.20 16:59:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:Dreis Shadowweaver wrote:To FLAYLOCK Steve: Clock dock socky McSock sock.  Really lol. It was you the whole time? -_-. So why is saxonmish in your sig? Are you also him?
Everyone is my alt; even you.
Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:04:00 -
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That moment when you respec and realise that you forgot the knives in your SP budgeting.
Sigh.
Gallente Guide
"More like a ban farm amirite" - CCP Frame
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:06:00 -
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Woah woah woah, suddenly we're talking about 18% DPS buffs to scouts?
/me nopes out
Gallente Guide
"More like a ban farm amirite" - CCP Frame
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:16:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Woah woah woah, suddenly we're talking about 18% DPS buffs to scouts?
/me nopes out
Thinking 10% to 15% RoF for Gallente and Caldari weaponry (respectively). Dropping the GA/CA profile bonus would encourage damps. The proposal would make glass-cannon more play viable.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:16:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
We don't have KB/M scannerinas.
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
I have successfully set up a macro on my mouse to do four spins even in the 0.3 second time period.
Arkena never PC's for us, and I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it.
Who the hell uses KB/M in PC?
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:18:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Who the hell uses KB/M in PC?
If I were a GalLogi, I would.
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:21:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Woah woah woah, suddenly we're talking about 18% DPS buffs to scouts?
/me nopes out Thinking 10% to 15% RoF for Gallente and Caldari weaponry (respectively). Drop the GA/CA profile bonus; encourage damps; make glass-cannon more play viable.
Yes, lets remove dampening and focus on offensive power. 
Just go play an assault. Seriously. Scouts aren't jack of all trades suits. You pull one out if you want to work silently without being scanned.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:23:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
Who the hell uses KB/M in PC?
If I were a GalLogi, I would.
Just carry 3 scanners and work in tandem. Standard Gal Logi loadout is 2x Flux, 1x Focused, and Uplinks. The point of running 2x flux is that it FORCES scouts to run damps, at least two. Focused is to scare them into dampening further.
Remember what I posted earlier about progression of dampening? You damp until the scans go away. Focused is made to scare you into running that third damp.
Gal Logi picks you up on objective with focused (He already knew where you were). Second logi pings you just before it expires.
Suddenly, you think they're spamming focused scans. They're not. But now you're running 3x damps and are less combat effective.
WORKS.
And now that logi can carry an AR and not be combat ineffective.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:25:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it.
It's pretty easy to do because I can just click the button on my mouse then go back to using my controller.
Gallente Guide
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:27:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Woah woah woah, suddenly we're talking about 18% DPS buffs to scouts?
/me nopes out Thinking 10% to 15% RoF for Gallente and Caldari weaponry (respectively). Drop the GA/CA profile bonus; encourage damps; make glass-cannon more play viable. Yes, lets remove dampening and focus on offensive power. Just go play an assault. Seriously. Scouts aren't jack of all trades suits. You pull one out if you want to work silently without being scanned.
Bless you.
Gallente Guide
"More like a ban farm amirite" - CCP Frame
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it. It's pretty easy to do because I can just click the button on my mouse then go back to using my controller.
You can do both at the same time?
You still don't PC for us, and I have never seen someone in the field do this. I've taken down lots of Gal logi's mid scan, and I would know if one started pirouetting again.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:29:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Woah woah woah, suddenly we're talking about 18% DPS buffs to scouts?
/me nopes out Thinking 10% to 15% RoF for Gallente and Caldari weaponry (respectively). Drop the GA/CA profile bonus; encourage damps; make glass-cannon more play viable. Yes, lets remove dampening and focus on offensive power. Just go play an assault. Seriously. Scouts aren't jack of all trades suits. You pull one out if you want to work silently without being scanned.
Why should viable alpha play be restricted to the MinScout? If Scout efficiency is UP post Echo, this is a perfectly valid response. Assaults aren't going to sign up for mobility nerf, and we've got a 200% to 300% HP Gap to bridge. Increasing DPS is one way to bridge the gap.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:31:00 -
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It doesn't matter that I haven't PC'd in weeks, I can still do it.
It's plenty effective in pubmatches, which is why I was talking about it earlier. Get off your PC elitist train?
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Quil Evrything
Nos Nothi
1981
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:34:00 -
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FLAYLOCK Steve wrote:
when trading comes I'd kindly give away some of my bpo;s since i have multiple of them. I have about 4 cal scout bpos.
What? How??!!?!?!!
WANTS IT! MY PRECIOUSSSSSSS...
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:34:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it. It's pretty easy to do because I can just click the button on my mouse then go back to using my controller. You can do both at the same time? You still don't PC for us, and I have never seen someone in the field do this. I've taken down lots of Gal logi's mid scan, and I would know if one started pirouetting again.
If you don't see it does not happen?
I want Ghost's OmniscienceGǪ way more OP than 360-¦ scans 
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:52:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Bayeth Mal wrote:
Also... AM bonus leaves a lot to be desired... unless biotic efficacy includes Myos and Kincats.
That's the plan. Biotics = MyoFibs, KinCats, CardRegs. 1. But do you run the risk of AM becoming the speed suit? Or my efficacy do you mean fitting cost? 2. Either way... it's more sounding like a GA nerf than an overall scout buff. Though with reduced scans it might still work. Just saying if I was a CA+RR I'd rather have the Scanner and a GA+SG I'd rather have reduced cloak blindness. 1. Yes. 2. Totally agree. Thinking we'll push for setting Active Scanners to squad-share. A Scout class bonus can be team-shared active scans. Keeps the sand in the sandbox :-)
I am liking where this is going a lot more now. Great points both of you, following closely. I wish I had more input.
To answer your question from way before, adipem, I would definitely be OK with some scanners being team wide and less effective, and the most powerful scanners being squad specific. It would be a tough sell though. Almost easier to make all scans squad only for simplicity's sake.
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:53:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it. It's pretty easy to do because I can just click the button on my mouse then go back to using my controller. You can do both at the same time? You still don't PC for us, and I have never seen someone in the field do this. I've taken down lots of Gal logi's mid scan, and I would know if one started pirouetting again. If you don't see it does not happen? I want Ghost's OmniscienceGǪ way more OP than 360-¦ scans
Taking what I've said and taking it to the extreme. I just said I've never seen it happen.
Things that are viable typically end up in PC. What I'm saying, is that there has to be SOME drawback to this, otherwise, I would be hearing about this "Tactic" every time I formed up for PC.
FC's would be asking, "Hey, do we have any KB/M scanners in here?".
I don't hear that. All I ever hear them ask for is Gal Logi Scanners, and then they get told to run "X" for their equipment.
What I'm asking here is this: IF it is possible to run KB/M and Controller at the same time, and have a script to do instant 360 scans, WHY am I not seeing it in PC? It sounds great on paper, but I've NEVER seen it in the field.
It's probably one of the following
A.) Much harder to do/achieve than it seems to be
B.) A lie
C.) Has some drawback that makes it less viable
D.) Is a brand new idea that hasn't taken off the ground yet.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Kaeru Nayiri
Ready to Play
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
[...]
Proposal v3 - Scout Racial Bonuses
CA - Base Range (+10%), Hybrid/Rail Efficacy (+3% RoF)
GA - Base Range (+05%), Plasma Efficacy (+3% RoF)
AM - Base Stamina (+10%), Biotic Efficacy (+5%)
MN - Base Hacks, Knife Efficacy (no change)
[...]
Earlier we were talking about limiting role bleed, I think this really falls into that category, unfortunately. I don't want to see an offensive buff to the scouts. I liked the ideas with less cloak blind for the GA, and biotics buffs to the Amarr. Let the Amarr be fast and strong.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:57:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:I'm certain that was coded specifically so that he could show that it COULD be abused, not the he actually does it. It's pretty easy to do because I can just click the button on my mouse then go back to using my controller. You can do both at the same time? You still don't PC for us, and I have never seen someone in the field do this. I've taken down lots of Gal logi's mid scan, and I would know if one started pirouetting again. If you don't see it does not happen? I want Ghost's OmniscienceGǪ way more OP than 360-¦ scans Taking what I've said and taking it to the extreme. I just said I've never seen it happen. Things that are viable typically end up in PC. What I'm saying, is that there has to be SOME drawback to this, otherwise, I would be hearing about this "Tactic" every time I formed up for PC. FC's would be asking, "Hey, do we have any KB/M scanners in here?". I don't hear that. All I ever hear them ask for is Gal Logi Scanners, and then they get told to run "X" for their equipment. What I'm asking here is this: IF it is possible to run KB/M and Controller at the same time, and have a script to do instant 360 scans, WHY am I not seeing it in PC? It sounds great on paper, but I've NEVER seen it in the field. It's probably one of the following A.) Much harder to do/achieve than it seems to be B.) A lie C.) Has some drawback that makes it less viable D.) Is a brand new idea that hasn't taken off the ground yet.
I'm just teasing ya Ghost
Though I do think you are OP 
You make a good point.
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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2015.03.20 17:59:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:
You can do both at the same time?
You still don't PC for us, and I have never seen someone in the field do this. I've taken down lots of Gal logi's mid scan, and I would know if one started pirouetting again.
If you don't see it does not happen? I want Ghost's OmniscienceGǪ way more OP than 360-¦ scans Taking what I've said and taking it to the extreme. I just said I've never seen it happen. Things that are viable typically end up in PC. What I'm saying, is that there has to be SOME drawback to this, otherwise, I would be hearing about this "Tactic" every time I formed up for PC. FC's would be asking, "Hey, do we have any KB/M scanners in here?". I don't hear that. All I ever hear them ask for is Gal Logi Scanners, and then they get told to run "X" for their equipment. What I'm asking here is this: IF it is possible to run KB/M and Controller at the same time, and have a script to do instant 360 scans, WHY am I not seeing it in PC? It sounds great on paper, but I've NEVER seen it in the field. It's probably one of the following A.) Much harder to do/achieve than it seems to be B.) A lie C.) Has some drawback that makes it less viable D.) Is a brand new idea that hasn't taken off the ground yet. I'm just teasing ya Ghost Though I do think you are OP You make a good point.
Doing such a thing is my trigger. I've had too many people take words out of my mouth, and then take them to an illogical extreme.
I get a red haze and I'm no longer in control of my keyboard.
Currently listening to: Max Anarchy OST
Old School Scout, watch out for the knives
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.03.20 18:02:00 -
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@ Ghost
If you're not inclined to believe Arkena, Kaeru tested spinscanning for us just a couple days ago. 360 degree scans are very much real and do not require a macro.
Shoot scout with yes.
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